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Who Should Clinton Or Obama Choose As VP?

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:13:16 AM EST
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Just to lighten things up a bit, let's start a pointless irrelevant thread -- who should Obama or Clinton pick as their VPs?

I am on record that Clinton has no real choice here - Barack Obama would almost have to be her VP choice, and yes, he would accept it.

For Obama, the choice is murkier. I do not think Clinton would be a good choice but you can not rule it out. I am no fan of these drab choices like Sebelius, the Governor of Kansas. If it was my choice for Obama, I would pick Jim Webb. Webb can be tough and yet still fits in with Obama's unity message. Indeed, he could give Obama a real way to merge his unity message with a partisan fighting edge. It is something he needs.

How about you folks? Who would you pick?

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    Wes Clark (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by trillian on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:41:57 AM EST
    Especially if McCain wins out.

    I agree (none / 0) (#100)
    by BernieO on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:08:41 PM EST
    Especially if it is McCain and if Iraq and Afghanistan are still dicey. Like they won't be. Remember Clark was not only NATO Supreme Allied Commander in Europe, he also oversaw the Bosnia peacekeeping operation, which went a heck of a lot better than what we have managed in Iraq. He was also an advisor to the diplomatic team that brokered the peace agreement.
    He is from Arkansas, but then Gore was from Tennessee the state next door. Clinton picked him for his ability, not because he would balance his ticket geographically. Clark might be her choice as Secretary of Defense, but that might be a problem since our military is supposed to be under civilian control.
    Contrast that to what Tim Russert was salivating over last night. He was gleefully explaining that Huckabee is staying in the race to help McCain who will then choose him for VP. Good grief! If this is true, McCain will not only have that mean spirited free market fanatic Phil Gramm on his team, he will also have the crackpot Huckabee. Talk about doing anything to get elected instead of what is best for America.

    [ Parent ]
    Clark can't be SecDef (none / 0) (#159)
    by sef on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 04:27:15 PM EST
    My understanding of federal law (which is quite limited in this area) is that retired flag officers can not be SecDef.  Clark must either be Veep or some position other than SecDef in a Clinton Administration

    [ Parent ]
    So which is it (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by po on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:48:44 AM EST
    I don't understand Webb as a VP choice.  Besides his stance on Iraq (which meshes with Obama's), what does he bring to the table?  It doesn't seem like it's change and I'm not certain that he's much of a unifier in the way I'd like to see unity.

    For Obama, Webb would provide (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by byteb on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 12:05:55 PM EST
    military and war experience that would negate some of that miliary aura that McCain has and Webb might attract Republicans who are no longer fans of the Iraq war but are wary of backing Obama who has no experience in war and military matters. Plus, Webb is articulate, forceful and articulate.

    [ Parent ]
    yikes, strike that double articulate (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by byteb on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 12:07:04 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Speaking of articulate (none / 0) (#148)
    by e40 on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 03:07:26 PM EST
    Isn't it a crazy world we live in that if Webb was black, you probably would have self censored yourself on even one use of "articulate"?

    Btw, I agree with you about Webb.  I think he'd be a good choice.


    [ Parent ]

    Re: (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Steve M on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:50:43 AM EST
    Webb does not seem at all to have the right personality for a #2 job.

    I would really love to see Wes Clark in that job to provide national security cred.

    Joe Biden would be a fabulous attack dog, and good on foreign policy, but you can't really run an attack-dog campaign against John McCain.

    I don't see Biden as an attack dog (none / 0) (#102)
    by BernieO on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:10:02 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Re: (none / 0) (#116)
    by Steve M on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:26:32 PM EST
    Think about, for example, the way he used to spontaneously rip into Giuliani in the debates.

    [ Parent ]
    Biden (none / 0) (#125)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:36:06 PM EST
    could totally be one...noit sure he would want to.

    [ Parent ]
    I Agree: Wes Clark (none / 0) (#136)
    by felizarte on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:50:07 PM EST
    he is national security strong; commanded the Kosovo forces without losing single soldier; and he is bright; versed in foreign relations and a Hillary supporter from the outset.  He complements Hillary well.

    It's probably not going to be Obama; he will take away too much focus on Hillary (if she is the nominee).

    Edwards is another possibility, but he might not accept another second slot.  

    [ Parent ]

    The problem I have with Clark and Biden... (none / 0) (#149)
    by e40 on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 03:09:04 PM EST
    is that they've been through  this before and the voters rejected them.  I think Obama needs a new face, one that people haven't seen on a national level yet.


    [ Parent ]
    If Hilary wins only Obama (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Saul on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:56:33 AM EST
    will do.  No other black will satisfy the Obama supporter.  If Obama wins he would need to pick a woman VP so as not to alienate the woman vote who wanted Hilary as the first woman president.  Hilary would not accept the VP if offered to Hilary.  Who that woman could be I do not know.

    woman VP (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by tek on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:07:42 AM EST
    You're wrong. Women aren't voting for Clinton because she's a woman, we're voting for her because she's a strong leader with ideas that can save this country. If Obama put some insipid woman like McCaskill on the ticket, it would hurt him.

    [ Parent ]
    What? (none / 0) (#41)
    by Dalton Hoffine on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:29:00 AM EST
    Claire McCaskill is one of the most well-liked Senators in the nation, and one of the most admired women in the midwest and plain states. Why and how is she insipid?

    [ Parent ]
    FISA (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by magster on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:30:31 AM EST
    Turns out she's just another Blue Dog

    [ Parent ]
    Jury Is Really Out On That IMO (5.00 / 3) (#81)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 12:19:45 PM EST
    Voting to support the Republican agenda on Iraq and FISA is a real turn off to me as one of her constituents.

    Her current approval rate in MO is 49%  vs 43% disapproval.

    Not sure I agree with your assessment, but would love to see how you came to your conclusions.

    [ Parent ]

    Just IMO, at least. (none / 0) (#89)
    by Dalton Hoffine on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 12:25:37 PM EST
    Compared to the rest of Congress, a 49% approval rating is a great thing.

    But I just know that a lot of my midwestern/plain state friends in places like Oklahoma, Illinois, and yes, a few from Missouri, have all talked about how she was a gracious woman, a very character-filled lady, and someone that was able to gain the respect of a lot of people in the way that she ran her campaign.

    Dunno, though. I'm displaced in North Carolina so I'm no expert on the matter.

    [ Parent ]

    Real Gracious Woman? (5.00 / 3) (#93)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 12:48:42 PM EST
    Yesterday, October 8, 2006, on Meet the Press Claire McCaskill gets honest about Bill Clinton:

    
Tim Russert: "You had Bill Clinton come in and raise money for you, do you think Bill Clinton is a great President?

    Claire McCaskill: "I do. I have a lot of problems with some of his personal issues. I said at the time, I think he's been a great leader but I don't want my daughter near him." Video and transcript

    An ex-president of your party comes in and raises money for you and you thank him by unnecessarily depicting him as some sexual pervert on national TV in order to pander to the religous right.

    My mama didn't raise me to believe that type of behavior was a sign of a gracious lady.


    [ Parent ]

    ouch (none / 0) (#94)
    by Jgarza on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 12:52:06 PM EST
    that is pretty nasty.

    [ Parent ]
    When will Democrats learn? (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by BernieO on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:13:07 PM EST
    We are our own worst enemies. We have that circular firing squad down pat.

    [ Parent ]
    wow (none / 0) (#109)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:21:19 PM EST
    what a horrible thing to say.

    [ Parent ]
    she is so not ready for the national (none / 0) (#130)
    by hellothere on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:41:32 PM EST
    stage!

    [ Parent ]
    Mcskill (none / 0) (#22)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:02:54 AM EST
    She fawns all over him.

    [ Parent ]
    Fawning Is Not One Of The Qualifications That (none / 0) (#90)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 12:27:06 PM EST
    would endear me to a VP candidate. What Claire playing the role of Condi or Harriet Meiers (sp?) to Obama?  {shudder, gag}

    I thnk a ticket of Obama/McCaskill could actually be the one thing that would keep me in my chair with my wallet closed until election day.

     

    [ Parent ]

    Stella (none / 0) (#95)
    by Kathy on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 12:56:08 PM EST
    wow, you are right about the fawning.  She looks at him almost worshipfully.  The ads down here in Georgia are really strange (and no one knows who she is, so it's even weirder).

    Why are folks so sure Obama would say yes to Hillary?

    I wouldn't say yes to him if I were her because she has much more power as a senator.

    [ Parent ]

    Webb??? (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by JHFarr on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:03:22 AM EST
    He hasn't done SQUAT in two years. To hell with Webb.

    Well, he did show up and pound the (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:53:56 AM EST
    gavel so Bush couldn't make anymore God foresaken recess appointments.  His votes though.....I'm not happy with his votes or his support of the troops as a sitting Senator!  He's done a really poor job there.

    [ Parent ]
    Webb (none / 0) (#105)
    by BernieO on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:14:08 PM EST
    Is a bit of a loose cannon. I like him, but I can't see him being someones supporting man.

    [ Parent ]
    I Think Wes Clark Would Be A Good (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:06:20 AM EST
    VP choice for either Clinton or Obama.

    Somehow, I don't see a Clinton/Obama ticket. But what do I know.

    Due to Obama's perceived lack of experience, he needs to chose someone who can round out that portion of the ticket.

    Webb IMO should stay in the Senate. Risking that hard won Senate seat would be a mistake. Also, IIRC Webb was not a great campaigner.

    clark (none / 0) (#27)
    by tek on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:08:58 AM EST
    I love Wes Clark, but he did not do well at all when he ran.

    Clinton should pick Al Gore. Get Gore back in the political cycle, then he'll be president next.

    [ Parent ]

    Al Gore... (none / 0) (#35)
    by mindfulmission on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:23:01 AM EST
    Haha...

    Right... do you really think that Al Gore would a, be interested being a vice president again and b, be interested in being Clinton's VP?

    That is funny...

    If Al Gore was interested in getting back into politics, he would have run for President.

    [ Parent ]

    Can't For The Life Of Me See Where Gore (none / 0) (#70)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 12:02:31 PM EST
    would be willing to be VP for anyone. IMO he turned a real good chance of being the Dem nominee for president. If he turned down that opportunity, no way IMO would he agree to be VP candidate.

    [ Parent ]
    He has gotten better (none / 0) (#108)
    by BernieO on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:19:13 PM EST
    The media kept dissing him because he was not a politician. Then they diss Hillary for being....you got it, A POLITICIAN!!
    As VP for Hillary Clark would not have to run his own campaign. He is a big supporter of hers, too. He did consider another run,this time but decided against it. I have had a feeling she made a deal with him to have him in her administration.
    However, I am not sure that would be as VP, although I would love that. The more I think about it the more I think he may be Secretary of State if she wins.

    [ Parent ]
    Wes Clark was no flash in the pan (none / 0) (#192)
    by hairspray on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 12:35:27 AM EST
    By mid-Jan 04, he was closing real fast on Dean in NH, and leading Dean in all the Southern states, and most of those in the west. The talking heads were just starting to question whether Dean might not have the nomination sewn up already after all.   Clark raised more money than anyone except Dean in the 4th quarter of 2003, and he did well enough in the first half of Jan 04 that he ended up raising more than even Dean for the month as a whole.  However, once Kerry took the Iowa caucuses and Clark wasn't even there, it was Kerry "momentum" all the way.

    [ Parent ]
    obama asked clark to (none / 0) (#131)
    by hellothere on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:43:09 PM EST
    disavow his support for hillary for the #2 position and was refused. i don't have the article i saw that in for support. sorry!

    [ Parent ]
    And for Clinton? (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:27:24 AM EST
    Come on BTD........Wes Clark.  Especially if they have to run against McCain.

    Gotta be Obama now (none / 0) (#46)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:33:12 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Disagree about (none / 0) (#52)
    by athyrio on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:37:59 AM EST
    "gotta be Obama" BTD as he carries a negativity now that he didnt have before....and that would make two negatives on the ticket, a woman and a black....Can't see it....

    [ Parent ]
    Only a negativity to Clinton supporters (none / 0) (#58)
    by magster on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:42:34 AM EST
    Clinton will need his sway with youth vote and African-Americans.  

    [ Parent ]
    Clinton (none / 0) (#65)
    by athyrio on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:50:41 AM EST
    already attracts 25% of the black vote and with this Rezko thing starting the trial on Feb 25th there is no way he can be on the ticket...The hint of scandal with an arab business man would be foolish for Clinton to elect to deal with .....the republicans would chew them up....

    [ Parent ]
    stop (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Jgarza on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 12:18:30 PM EST
    that would make two negatives on the ticket, a woman and a black

    First off it is poor form to refer to someone who is black as a black
    just like you don't refer to someone as a white or a brown

    second are you seriously making the argument that being a woman or African American is a negative?


    The hint of scandal with an arab business man

    Well then the "scandal" with Clinton Library not releasing its donors some oh whom happen to be arab going to destroy Hillary.  

    ohh and FYI in the general if you use blatantly toilette politics, against McCain. Mr media darling/war hero, and aren't at least smart enough to be inconspicuous about them, they will seriously backfire..

    [ Parent ]

    trust me (none / 0) (#88)
    by athyrio on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 12:24:17 PM EST
    being a woman is equally a negative in politics as a black maybe more so...One black female politican said that she always experienced more discrimination as a female than as a black...

    [ Parent ]
    Huh? (none / 0) (#146)
    by HeadScratcher on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 02:39:19 PM EST
    Considering there are 10x the number of women in the Senate than blacks, as well as the house, and governorships, etc...

    [ Parent ]
    I doubt that Obama supporters (none / 0) (#160)
    by felizarte on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 04:35:57 PM EST
    will vote republican if nominee is Hillary. Can you just imagine the Obama clips attacking Hillary being used by the republicans in the general elections?

    [ Parent ]
    Ummm.... (none / 0) (#161)
    by mindfulmission on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 04:40:09 PM EST
    ... it goes both ways.

    You do know that Clinton has attacked Obama too, right?

    [ Parent ]

    It's not a question of who they vote for (none / 0) (#167)
    by magster on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 05:22:47 PM EST
    it's whether they vote.

    [ Parent ]
    I see what BTD is talking about (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:47:58 AM EST
    And when you have two front runners running this neck and neck the two together cha ching.  And Obama is young and most of those who complain about Obama (like me) say he isn't ready to be President yet.  The two together on the same ticket would leave any and all Repubs in the dust to include McCain whether I like it or not ;)  Clinton and Obama as pols and candidates are so personally powerful that they don't project much about themselves pertaining to gender or race. Those issues only seem to matter to idiots attempting to analyze them and get some small firecracker notice for their analysis.  It's funny that the actual issues that have rose about race and gender have stirred up nothing other than people saying KNOCK IT OFF!

    [ Parent ]
    More than that (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:53:09 AM EST
    The Media could not then ignore the historic nature of the Dem ticket and hopefully some of Obama's Media Darling status would rub off on Clinton.

    [ Parent ]
    people like me (none / 0) (#75)
    by commissar on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 12:13:24 PM EST
    could more easily resist the pull to McCain, if Obama were to be Hillary's VP.

    And if they won, Obama could be promptly dispatched to Dick Cheney's "secure, undisclosed location."

    [ Parent ]

    Hell no....send him off to (none / 0) (#134)
    by oldpro on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:48:00 PM EST
    Africa with Bill Clinton...and Asia...and Europe and Palestine and Israel and ... get our mojo back.

    [ Parent ]
    I don't know if those three outsized (none / 0) (#80)
    by byteb on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 12:18:37 PM EST
    egos could coexist. Hillary, Bill and Obama. They really don't like each other either.

    [ Parent ]
    Do not believe any of that (none / 0) (#86)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 12:23:36 PM EST
    I do not believe that for a second. They are grownups in a political race.

    [ Parent ]
    maybe...I was just thinking of JFK and LBJ (none / 0) (#92)
    by byteb on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 12:38:54 PM EST
    huge egos and not political best buds by any means

    [ Parent ]
    Re: (none / 0) (#99)
    by Steve M on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:07:00 PM EST
    Roosevelt didn't even tell Truman about the bomb!  They barely said a word to each other.

    [ Parent ]
    i read one article that stated the (none / 0) (#132)
    by hellothere on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:45:10 PM EST
    belief that hillary might invite him on the ticket and then lock the doors of the wh. it was made as a jest. but

    [ Parent ]
    Yer breakin my heart man ;) (none / 0) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:38:01 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Okay, Wes can be Sec of Defense then (none / 0) (#56)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:38:53 AM EST
    I suppose it isn't like his services aren't needed there ;)

    [ Parent ]
    He'll be a key man in a Clinton Admin (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:51:43 AM EST
    Hopefully in an Obama Admin too. He is close to Samantha Power.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama? (none / 0) (#145)
    by HeadScratcher on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 02:37:44 PM EST
    If you think Sen. Clinton will pick Sen. Obama as a running mate then you do not understand the Clintons.

    [ Parent ]
    Condi (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by buhdydharma on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:31:40 AM EST
    The obvious post-partisan choice.

    But seriously, my heart says Edwards, but my brain says Clark...Richardson would be good except for the  whole anti-charismatic thing.

    I'll go with Clark as my official choice

    gravel hasn't dropped out! (5.00 / 3) (#78)
    by Turkana on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 12:18:10 PM EST
    i think he should pick mcgovern!

    I'm surprised (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by magster on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 12:21:42 PM EST
    Biden has not been mentioned more in this thread. I thought he left the race very personally popular, and he showed a good ability to be a good attack dog and debater for the Dem ticket.

    actually biden longs for sec or state! (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by hellothere on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:54:04 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Biden & Clinton (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by delandjim on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:27:18 AM EST
    Biden and Clinton were pretty buddy buddy at the sotu. Looked nice.

    [ Parent ]
    And has said NO to veep.. (none / 0) (#142)
    by oldpro on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:59:03 PM EST
    ...sat with Hillary at the SOTU

    [ Parent ]
    yup, i noticed that as well along with (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by hellothere on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 06:00:17 PM EST
    that mean stare from obama.

    [ Parent ]
    Other arguments (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by koshembos on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 12:23:58 PM EST
    Obama for VP solves a major Democratic problem. His people will not show up to vote if Clinton wins and he is not around. A cult is a cult. The major drawback of Clinton/Obama is the combined Hillary/Woman/Black factor the Republicans are salivating for.

    As for Obama, Webb seems a great choice. Wes Clack is as well. Obama should have been worried about the lefties, but most lefties already assumed the position (left RIP). No need to appease us Edwards supporters after all.

    Re: (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Steve M on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:09:21 PM EST
    I would have thought it obviously, but Obama does not need MORE unity and centrism.

    Obama needs to get right with the mainstream Democratic party the same way McCain needs to get right with conservatives.  This is why George HW Bush needed Quayle - hopefully we will improve the standard a bit.

    Yes, give them hell! (none / 0) (#179)
    by ghost2 on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 08:04:55 PM EST
    Why not?? Just make it a ticket, and tell those who have a problem with it to buzzer off!!

    Honestly, it could give enough of a shock to the nation that it may work.  

    Remember, a big enemy is the media.  You neutralize the media, you are 3/4 of the way there.

    [ Parent ]

    You know... (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Kathy on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:31:55 PM EST
    I am just seeing all these folks I gave a lot of money to during the last election cycle who are coming out and making as*es of themselves as they fall all over Obama, and I can't help but feel mad and never want to give again.  They should've just kept their mouths shut and let it play out like Edwards seems to be doing.  His speech was wonderful (as usual) and he kept bringing everything back to the democratic party instead of one candidate.  That's what we need--people who support the party, not people who support a particular person.

    Re: Edwards (none / 0) (#180)
    by ghost2 on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 08:06:35 PM EST
    Yes, his quotes were very classy.  Good for him.  That's the way to do it.  


    [ Parent ]
    Webb (none / 0) (#1)
    by bob h on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:17:54 AM EST
    would be the best choice in either case.  He is pugnacious, articulate, and combative, and would hand the truculent McCain his head.

    While O would accept a VP slot, there is no way Hillary would.

    Webb for Clinton (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:23:12 AM EST
    I can never imagine any Republican that can shine more than Webb. Obama would have to choose someone who will do the work since he will be doing the speeches. Sort of a Cheney to Bush relationship. A technocrat who will not mind being the front guy and will not have designs for the presidency in 8 years.

    [ Parent ]
    Webb was such a hard fought victory (4.66 / 3) (#8)
    by magster on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:29:16 AM EST
    I'd hate for Virginia to turn red in the future without Webb in that Senate seat.  Does Virginia have special elections to replace a Senate seat, or is a replacement appointed the rest of the term?

    [ Parent ]
    Oh fun! (none / 0) (#2)
    by magster on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:18:35 AM EST
    In order

    Clinton: Obama, Wes Clark (assuming McCain wins), Biden, Bill Clinton

    Obama: Biden, Clinton, Napalitano, Wes Clark

    Random thoughts: Edwards for AG, Sec'y of Commerce, World Bank, or Supreme Court.

    Obama or Clinton for Supreme Court.

    veep (none / 0) (#28)
    by tek on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:10:25 AM EST
    Bill Clinton cannot be VP, it's unConstitutional, already had that discussion when Kerry ran.

    [ Parent ]
    I know (none / 0) (#37)
    by magster on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:25:09 AM EST
    It was tongue in cheek.

    [ Parent ]
    Not unconstitutional (none / 0) (#168)
    by DaveOinSF on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 05:49:12 PM EST
    Amendment XXII doesn't restrict elegibility to the office of president, just elegibility to be elected president

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/19/AR2006101901572.html

    [ Parent ]

    Webb is good... (none / 0) (#3)
    by mike in dc on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:18:57 AM EST
    ...and my shortlist would include:
    Richardson(latino appeal, plus lots of experience)
    Boxer(risky, but would do well in the traditional "attack dog" role)
    Dodd or Biden(a little boring, perhaps, but another guy with solid experience)

    drawing a blank on suitable governors...

    I like an Obama/Richardson ticket (none / 0) (#74)
    by byteb on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 12:12:02 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    NO! (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by BernieO on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:21:26 PM EST
    Richardson has great qualifications but he is terrible in debates. He comes across as full of himself.


    [ Parent ]
    nah (none / 0) (#113)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:24:18 PM EST
    he came across great...nice man.

    [ Parent ]
    Too bad Ann Richads is no longer with us (none / 0) (#4)
    by andgarden on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:22:14 AM EST
    I think she would have made a fabulous Veep.

    You should come visit Austin (none / 0) (#6)
    by Jgarza on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:24:43 AM EST
    so you can use the Anne Richards Congress Avenue Bridge, to cross Ladybird Lake.

    [ Parent ]
    Ladybird Lake (none / 0) (#7)
    by Jgarza on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:26:16 AM EST
    which is of course fronted by Caesar Chavez Blvd. ahh liberal nomenclature!

    [ Parent ]
    All we need here to be complete (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by RalphB on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:51:10 AM EST
    is Molly Ivins Blvd  :-)

    [ Parent ]
    Ohh Maybe (none / 0) (#42)
    by Jgarza on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:29:56 AM EST
    She lived in Travis Heights, they should name a street after her in her neighborhood. Alameda? maybe it is the main street through their. :-P

    [ Parent ]
    Gotta love (none / 0) (#25)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:06:25 AM EST
    those earmarks.

    [ Parent ]
    No earmarks (none / 0) (#50)
    by Jgarza on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:34:47 AM EST
    they just renamed them, they were already built, renamed.

    [ Parent ]
    I completely agree (none / 0) (#9)
    by Jgarza on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:36:48 AM EST
    with you for both.

    Webb (none / 0) (#10)
    by xjt on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:39:17 AM EST
    Webb for Clinton. I suppose she could pick Obama if she thinks it'll help with turnout but I'd rather see Jim Webb, particularly if we go against McCain.

    For Obama, Edwards or Webb.

    Obama (none / 0) (#98)
    by Kathy on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:03:35 PM EST
    doesn't look like he'll take it.  I don't know if this is true, but there are reports that Clinton's team asked Obama to sit with her at the SOTU, and they said no.  

    Even if that's not true, I still don't see him taking it.  He can drop back in the senate, actually do something, then run again.

    [ Parent ]

    I wouldn't honestly think he would refuse Clinton (none / 0) (#106)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:15:51 PM EST
    if she's the nominee and he really has designs on the presidency because if she has a good presidency he's the shoo in for the next eight years.  The VP almost always gets the party nod and strong support for their presidential run.  Clinton is very likely to have as successsful a presidency as her popular husband.  Whoever her VP is if she's the nominee is likely to inhabit the oval office next so long as she doesn't have any affairs with her staff and the VP is strong on their own campaign trail ;)

    [ Parent ]
    MT, I agree with all you are saying (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by Kathy on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:28:55 PM EST
    but I have seen nothing in this race that makes me think Obama would drop his ego enough to take second place.

    Now, having said that, they ALL have egos, so I don't mean this as a personal attack.  I just mean it is what it is.  I wouldn't expect Clinton to take second to him, either.

    [ Parent ]

    On that ego thing, you might be right ;) (none / 0) (#126)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:37:11 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    i have heard it said time and again (none / 0) (#135)
    by hellothere on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:48:07 PM EST
    on tv and written word that when and if the veep is offered, one doesn't say no. being that close to wh is just too tempting.

    [ Parent ]
    This was reported by Time (none / 0) (#117)
    by BernieO on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:27:15 PM EST
    Mark Halperin reported this. He is extremely well connected so I would bet it is true. Obama seems to be putting his own ego over the unity of his party. He needs to grow up and learn that this really is not about him.

    http://thepage.time.com/2008/01/29/the-snub-before-the-snub/

    [ Parent ]

    something about that report doesn't ring true. (none / 0) (#123)
    by byteb on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:34:14 PM EST
    plus, Mark Halperin isn't exactly an oracle of any degree

    [ Parent ]
    Michael Easley (none / 0) (#11)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:39:47 AM EST
    A little too law and order for me but would be a great voice for the red states in either administration.

    I think Edwards should be the AG for whoever wins.

    Bredesen in Tennesse would be my second...  

    Webb would be good (none / 0) (#13)
    by baked potato on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:42:45 AM EST
    as Obama's running mate.  On the other hand, along the lines of his centrist/unity message, maybe he should ask Schwarzenegger, and maybe Arnold would accept.  Hey, it would be better than Lieberman!

    Think Webb should stay in the Senate (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by trillian on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:43:58 AM EST
    Where he will make the most impact

    [ Parent ]
    Arnold (none / 0) (#33)
    by Tano on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:19:40 AM EST
    not eligible.

    [ Parent ]
    vp (none / 0) (#14)
    by txprog on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:43:35 AM EST
    i wont be voting for hillary so her vp is pointless.  hope barak would have more integrity than to be her vp.

    would have voted wes clark for prez but he backed clinton so he wont get my pick.

    now that john edwards is available i think he would make an excellent pic for vp.  jim webb is fantastic choice but would lose a senate seat that is needed.

    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by trillian on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:50:38 AM EST
    You must be a hard core Hillary hater to throw someone like Wes Clark under a bus just because he endorsed her.

    Yikes

    [ Parent ]

    Textbook definition of (none / 0) (#104)
    by oldpro on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:13:19 PM EST
    irrational.

    [ Parent ]
    AMEN (none / 0) (#118)
    by BernieO on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:28:09 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    So... (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by blogtopus on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:34:29 AM EST
    are you saying you will only vote for a Dem in the general election if it's Obama?

    [ Parent ]
    indeed... (none / 0) (#177)
    by txprog on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 07:54:12 PM EST
    if bernie sanders were running he would have my vote...russ feingold, dennis kucinich, john edwards would all have my vote, time, and a little money.  however that is not the case anymore so i will back obama. the thought of two political dynastic families running this country for for almost 3 decades is frightening at best.  i would vote for a republican if hilary is the nominee or note vote at all becuase that means in 4 years we will have a chance to put a true progressive in the white house and bring the troops home. to think hilary will do anything other than move the 'center' more to the right is 'irrational' and absurdly naive.  does not matter anyway.  i live in texas, and hilary will win because she has the superdelegates which nullify the whole primary process.

    [ Parent ]
    My Short List (none / 0) (#16)
    by Dalton Hoffine on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:44:18 AM EST
    I think Jim Webb would be a great choice, although there might be a little bickering in the party because they don't want to give up that incredibly hard-fought Senate seat that they gained in Virginia. Although, he's also a freshman, isn't he?

    I think Janet Napolitano, Sen. Edwards, or maybe Claire McCaskill, but again, you have that whole "Fellow Freshman" thing with her. We shall see.  

    The More I Think About It... (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Dalton Hoffine on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:12:15 AM EST
    ...the more I like Napalitano. An Obama/Napalitano ticket would be incredible. It would reach across demographics geographically, racially, sexually--and Napalitano's a very well liked governor, so it could turn some of those iffy Southwestern states that have shuffled around the last few years.

    It would also bring another "fresh face" to the campaign that fits with Obama's style. I dunno if McCain and Romney could stand up to that.

    [ Parent ]

    McCaskill barely won her senate seat. (none / 0) (#163)
    by felizarte on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 04:49:41 PM EST
    I prefer Edwards again if he agrees or Wes Calrk, Evan Bayh of Indiana.  Jim Webb made a negative comment about women in the military which he has since disavowed.  But it may still come back to haunt him.

    [ Parent ]
    it will (none / 0) (#171)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 06:08:28 PM EST
    if you keep repeating it.

    [ Parent ]
    who should they pick? (none / 0) (#30)
    by wasabi on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:15:37 AM EST
    Clinton should pick Obama.  He will still bring in lots of new voters to the contest in the fall, but maybe not the "Republicans" he thought he was getting.  This would be a really great ticket.

    Obama could pick Richardson to help in the south or maybe he's pick Bloomberg to burnish his bipartisanship.

    Reaching out to Independents (none / 0) (#31)
    by msobel on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:15:43 AM EST
    Why not a candidate that will reach out to the independents and not have to curry favor with Lobbyists or any special interests, and who will bring the important short vote. I'm talking about the centrist Michel Blumberg.

    Hmm... (none / 0) (#32)
    by Dalton Hoffine on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:18:58 AM EST
    I think if Obama gets the nomination, maybe Bloomberg, but if Clinton gets it, he's definitely gonna run as an indy candidate, therefore taking him out of vice-presidential consideration.

    [ Parent ]
    Bloomberg ain't running (none / 0) (#48)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:33:45 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    And Hillary can't pick him (none / 0) (#115)
    by oldpro on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:25:13 PM EST
    can she?  From the same state.

    [ Parent ]
    He can move to Wyoming (none / 0) (#120)
    by BernieO on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:29:31 PM EST
    And live next door to Dick.

    [ Parent ]
    Ahh...he could BUY a state (none / 0) (#133)
    by oldpro on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 01:45:13 PM EST
    to move to!

    Maybe not Wyoming...

    Florida!!

    [ Parent ]

    richardson for vp (none / 0) (#34)
    by Patriot Daily on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:20:48 AM EST
    in the general, the goppies will beat the obama lacks experience meme which richardson would negate as well as being an excellent vp.

    Any Virginians around? (none / 0) (#36)
    by Tano on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:24:23 AM EST
    to clarify this point?

    If Webb becomes VP, then the Dem VA gov. would appoint a successor, so the seat would stay Dem for a year - there is a general election (for gov.) in Nov. '09, and Gov. Kaine would be term-limited - so he could run for the remaineder of Webb's term.

    Is this right?

    Yuck...........bleh! (none / 0) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:25:45 AM EST
    I can't stand Jim Webb anymore, too much the too good soldier bleh!  He does it to the point of bull$#it.

    How about somone WITHOUT ties to the military (none / 0) (#40)
    by po on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:27:39 AM EST
    Military influence in the affairs of this country and the perceived need by politicians to prove that they are tough on whatever issue is hot today (thus, the War on X and the military joining in each and every one of those wars in some way).  

    Richardson would be good.  We need dispute resolution without resort to bullets and threats of nuclear attack if Y nation refuses to give up nuclear ambitions.  

    cuz military service still matters to many (none / 0) (#165)
    by sef on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 05:20:06 PM EST
    In the purple states military service matters.  McCain will pick up votes for no other reason than what he did as a young man that would otherwise go dem.

    [ Parent ]
    Seriously (none / 0) (#188)
    by delandjim on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:25:05 AM EST
    With McCain on the Republican side we will get creamed without some type of military expertise in veep.

    [ Parent ]
    I would be surprised if (none / 0) (#44)
    by athyrio on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:31:20 AM EST
    Hillary chose Obama as VP....I doubt the black vote would stay away from her...she still holds great sway in the black community...Bill's civil rights record speaks for itself...I am more worred about Bloomberg and his mounting a third party "spoiler" than anything at this point...

    I thought polls (