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By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:39:37 PM EST
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The Florida primary will likely determine the Republican nominee. McCain and Romney are locked in a tight race as Rudy continues his implosion. Huck ran out of money.

Tonight brings an important moment, a much anticipated debate in Boca Raton, to be televised by MSNBC at 9. Timmah and Brian Williams will moderate. Watch and see if they pull the same stunts they do with Democrats. Do nothold your breath. But it should be a fun watch as Rudy is likely to throw a Hail Mary pass, the Mittster is likely to go after Saint John and McCain will pander to extreme base of the GOP on immigration, abortion and tax cuts.

Should be quite a spectacle. I'll live blog it for as long as I can stand to watch it.

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    I think Willard has found his voice. (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by Geekesque on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:01:33 PM EST
    Go Mitt GO!

    I think we're in agreement on that (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by andgarden on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:16:29 PM EST


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    McCain needs to get derailed. (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Geekesque on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:19:32 PM EST
    The Republicans don't deserve to stumble into a strong g.e. candidate.

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    yup (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by andgarden on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:20:41 PM EST


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    I'm all about (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Jgarza on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:05:12 PM EST
    WILLARD! Mittens '08 (primary)!

    ZOMG Condi !! (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by cdo on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 07:22:13 PM EST
    Wouldn't that be great? a McCain/Rice ticket? Whenever I hear "Condi" I get a little replay in my head of her testimony...
        : "And what was the title of the report?"
    Rice: "Osama Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the U.S."
    ..That, and her shoe shopping during Katrina.
    Don't think she would do it, but its fun to imagine.

    It might be pretty unpleasant (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:42:38 PM EST
    In any case, I'm rooting for Mitt.

    I think it's at 9:00 not 8:00. (none / 0) (#2)
    by Teresa on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:45:07 PM EST


    You're right: 9-1030 (none / 0) (#4)
    by andgarden on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:46:46 PM EST


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    BTD (none / 0) (#3)
    by Judith on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:46:21 PM EST
    I hope you fortify yourself - you will need your strength.

    Good luck!

    Gooooo Mitt!! (none / 0) (#5)
    by cdo on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:47:58 PM EST
    it is even hard to type that with a straight face.

    Geez I thought it was getting stuffy over here (none / 0) (#9)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:18:17 PM EST


    I'm Not So Sure (none / 0) (#12)
    by BDB on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:27:47 PM EST
    Mitt is the weaker GE candidate.  Sure, he's a flip-flopper extraordinaire.  And a phony.  But I think he's much more effective on the economy than McCain is.  Have you heard him speak about helping the middle class, etc., since Michigan?  He sounds like a Democrat.

    Again, I know he's a phony, but I think he's got a better resume to sell himself as an economic leader than he ever had of selling himself as a social conservative.  It's much more of a natural fit.  

    Of course, in polls he still gets killed, but I wonder if he would wear better over the course of a GE than McCain.  

    The one thing that Romney has against him in a GE is the press hates him nearly as much as it hates Hillary Clinton, maybe more.  Whereas McCain is a media darling, which makes him dangerous no matter how lame he sounds on the economy.

    Biggest Plus IMO Of Romney Nomination (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:36:03 PM EST
    The one thing that Romney has against him in a GE is the press hates him nearly as much as it hates Hillary Clinton, maybe more.  Whereas McCain is a media darling, which makes him dangerous no matter how lame he sounds on the economy.

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    I wouldn't discount religious bigotry (none / 0) (#23)
    by Alien Abductee on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 07:05:30 PM EST
    to do in Mitt. McCain is much more dangerous.

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    Is Rudy participating? (none / 0) (#14)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:41:24 PM EST
    I didn't think he made the Dennis Kucinich line

    I wouldn't overstate Florida... (none / 0) (#15)
    by OrangeFur on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:50:30 PM EST
    Certainly it has the potential to give Romney a big boost if he can beat McCain, but at this point I don't see anything that can greatly move the February 5 states.

    Still, it's always fun to watch the candidates from the Party of Ideas pummel each other.

    It Would Be More Fun (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:59:24 PM EST
    if the Democratic candidates weren't pummeling each other.

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    Dems Nothing Compared to Republicans (none / 0) (#17)
    by BDB on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:06:41 PM EST
    If Florida does narrow the Republican field to two candidates, McCain and Romney, there is going to be a bloodbath, particularly if McCain loses.  Because Romney, who already leads in delegates and is the establishment favorite, will be at a distinct advantage.

    McCain's only choice will be to try to destroy Mitt Romney.  It will be glorious and it will make the last week in the Democratic primary look like a child's birthday party.  Romney and McCain have already run some of the more negative ads of the campaign season.  

    I am going to miss Huck's negative ads (he had some good ones, too).  And Guiliani certainly had the capacity to add to the nastiness of Super Tuesday (and the idea of the four of them splitting Super Tuesday states was almost too delicious to contemplate).  But looks like we're probably going to have to settle for the McCain-Romney death match.

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    I can't wait to see what Romney does (none / 0) (#18)
    by andgarden on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:18:30 PM EST
    if he wins. He can easily blanket the country with nasty ads about McCain.

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    I Can't Decide (none / 0) (#24)
    by BDB on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 07:05:37 PM EST
    If it's better if McCain or Romney wins.  Despite my worries about Romney, I don't think I could survive the tongue bath the press would give McCain if he were the nominee.  

    If Romney wins, he's clearly the frontrunner and McCain probably has to go after him hard.  But McCain has limited resources and Romney might easily walk away with Super Tuesday.

    If McCain wins, the race is very close, and Romney has all kinds of resources to try to tear down St. John of Iraq.  And it makes it more likely that they go through Super Tuesday still undecided.  

    Hmmm, what's an angry Democrat to wish for?

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    I want Romney to win, but not decisively (none / 0) (#25)
    by andgarden on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 07:10:58 PM EST
    that way, Romney will have to go negative in the rest of the country to finish off McCain.

    Word on the street is that the Mac needs scratch. I don't think he could survive a 2/5 Romney onslaught.

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    I Hope You Are Right (none / 0) (#20)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:29:42 PM EST
    I would love the focus to move to the problems in the Republican party.

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    Don't be afraid of McCain (none / 0) (#19)
    by robrecht on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:18:36 PM EST
    I actually hope the Republicans run their strongest candidate and I suppose that's McCain.  A better contest should produce better candidates on both sides.  McCain might force Hillary to define her Democratic values, yes she must have some, more forcefully and honestly than trying to be McCain lite.

    Clinton (none / 0) (#27)
    by diplomatic on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 08:09:25 PM EST
    She has a lot of Democratic values.  Please don't be ridiculous.

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    Of course she does ... (none / 0) (#28)
    by robrecht on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 08:17:16 PM EST
    ... that was a little tongue in cheek, but don't  you wish she had not voted for Bush's war in Iraq, don't you wish she more actively opposed telecom immunity--that's al I'm saying.

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    Honest answer (none / 0) (#29)
    by diplomatic on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 08:48:41 PM EST
    I understood her vote for the Iraq resolution because at the time because I felt it was likely that Iraq did have WMD and that was without even seeing all that phony "evidence" that was thrown in Clinton's face.  I also foolishly believed that Colin Powell was a man of integrity and would never be that blatant with the lies.

    The vote was for continued diplomacy and inspections with a threat of force.  Some people will always refuse to believe that's what it was and that seems to be the fundamental point of contention.

    Edwards co-sponsored that resolution.  Obama never had a chance to vote against it.  Maybe he would have voted "present" or skipped it.  We will never know.

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    Just wondering ... (none / 0) (#30)
    by robrecht on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:26:45 AM EST
    ... if and how Hillary might define herself and the party differently against McCain in the GE rather than just attacking Romney on his flip-flops.  Not sure, but there might be some different opportunities there.  I'm hoping that the strongest competition produces the potential for a sronger Hillary.  I was not trying to contrast her war position with that of Edwards or a hypothetical Obama.

    Are you satisfied with Hillary's leadersip on telecom immunity?

    Do you think Hillary was right to vote against the  2002 Levin amendment?

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    Here's what I just heard on am talk radio: (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:34:21 PM EST
    suggestion McCain wins nomination and chooses C. Rice as his running mate (criticism:  she needs to return to CA first and run for something, plus, her pushing for peace in ME is a negative); Jess Sessions 10 point plan re immigration reforem (border fence, keep track of who leaves the U.S., keep track of visa over stays, coordinate federal, state, and local law enforcement crackdown); clip of McCain on Bush tax cuts (he first voted against, then in favor).  

    ever been to boca raton? (none / 0) (#22)
    by cpinva on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 07:00:22 PM EST
    if it isn't a republican's orgasm of a town, nothing is. it reminds me of something out of "the wizard of oz" meets "stepford wives". i think you have to be a rich corpse to live there.

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