Health Care in a Nutshell

Universal health care is a core Democratic value. 17 seconds of the debate well worth watching.

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    isnt she (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by athyrio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 10:28:09 PM EST
    great...health care is my number one issue....

    Marian Wright Edelman (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Judith on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 10:43:44 PM EST
    I finally understood why Hillary has said that she has fought for change since she left law school - tonight she said she first worked for the Chidren's Defense Fund under Edelman.  I remember reading Edelman's book back in 1991/2 about saving our children.  So it makes total sense that HRC is really the change candidate and can back it up with real work she has done.

    On a more comic note, I think I finally get all the rage by the mediocre guys - she is Hermoine to their Ron.  She can take two classes at the same time and remember EVERYTHING from both.  Must make them nuts...if if they have any taset...fall in love.

    just in case (none / 0) (#4)
    by Judith on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 10:50:37 PM EST
    the connection is children and health care - she wants kids covered...

    if in wrong please feel free to delete...

    g'night all.


    how is the mandate (none / 0) (#3)
    by andreww on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 10:47:22 PM EST
    going to be enforced?  In the absence of that information, I don't see how her plan is much different.

    without mandates (none / 0) (#5)
    by athyrio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 10:57:36 PM EST

    It won't work....a mandate makes the insurances have to be more competitive....she and edwards agree on this....They will find a way that is fair to all IMHO

    okay, but (none / 0) (#6)
    by andreww on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 11:01:44 PM EST
    how will the mandate be enforced by the government?  Take money from payckecks?  arrest you?  give you a fine?  And what happens if someone simply can't afford the insurance?

    Good questions..... (none / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 08:22:20 AM EST
    for which I haven't heard answers.

    And I don't see how a mandate magically makes insurance more affordable.  Auto insurance is mandated, and there were times in my life I couldn't afford it.  

    With mandated insurance, I still uninsured folks showing up in emergency rooms needing care. Under the mandated plans, will they be considered criminals?  


    health care (none / 0) (#7)
    by TCTC on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 11:06:11 PM EST
    If Hillary's health care was so good why wasn't it implemented when her husband was president she is just another want a be.Anybody who would vote for her really needs to look futher into themselves,meaning standing by a man who lied to the american people on camera to the whole nation  I mean why would we want her for president she wants it for the power and the first lady president only.Other wise she wouldn't be shouting out at Sen. Obama and his plans he running for I'm republican and he's getting my vote I think.

    She attempted (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by athyrio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 11:10:09 PM EST
    several times to introduce it and was shut down by the republicans....Was really ugly, and I remember it well...

    also to address the other question, I think the health care will be introduced on a sliding scale with income....so if you cant afford it you wont have to pay as much etc etc....I dont know the particulars but I am totally uninsurable and need this help badly.....


    thanks for the comment. i'll send hillary (none / 0) (#11)
    by hellothere on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 01:47:10 AM EST
    a donation tonight. i also recommend you take a long look at the congress, media, and insurance companies when you make comments about her attemtps at helping the american people with health care when clinton had his first term.

    Or you could look at (none / 0) (#12)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:31:51 AM EST
    all of the money she has taken from insurance companies.

    even better is look at (none / 0) (#15)
    by hellothere on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 02:45:18 PM EST
    all the money ALL the candidates on both sides have taken from the insurance and drug companies.

    The American Health Choices Plan (none / 0) (#9)
    by kid oakland on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 12:19:51 AM EST
    That's the name of Senator Clinton's plan. (Try saying it out loud.)

    When her policy advisors talk about that plan they refer to "Individual Mandates."

    A Clinton adviser compares the plan's "individual mandate" -- which requires everyone to have health insurance -- to current rules in most states that require all drivers to purchase auto insurance

    When CNN reported on the announcement of Senator Clinton's Health Care Proposal this how they explained it to the American people:

    In her plan, Clinton said families would receive tax credits to help pay for coverage. The tax credit would be designed to limit the premiums to a percentage of a family's income. Federal subsidies would be provided for those who are not able to afford insurance, and large businesses would be expected to provide or help pay for their employees' insurance. Clinton said her plan would not require small businesses to take part, but will offer tax credits to encourage them to do so.

    That's how the new Clinton plan was unveiled to the press and explained to the public in Des Moines, Iowa, last September.

    The title of that article?

    Clinton unveils mandatory health care insurance plan

    Clearly, Senator Clinton has learned the lessons of 1993/1994 and has created an easy-to-explain, broadly popular, cohesive plan that is certain to win over the American public:

    Who wouldn't support the Individual Mandates of the American Health Choices Plan?

    NONE OF THESE CANDIDATES (none / 0) (#10)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 01:00:32 AM EST

    Kucinich was the only one with a universal health care plan.

    To call their plans universal health is simply a lie.

    Not only (none / 0) (#13)
    by Slado on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 08:10:56 AM EST
    will universal health care not work but it won't happen in this country.

    Even if democrats win the whitehouse and control congress they won't be able to garner the political will to overhaul the helthcare system.  

    Americans don't like being told what to do and they will not except a goverment system.   They want the current system fixed, not overhauled.

    Sooner the democrats figure that out the better off they'll be.