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Obama's Right: Hillary Is Likeable Enough

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 03:46:45 PM EST
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[T]he much-promised "Anti-Hillary" vote never really existed. Democratic voters just don't dislike Hillary very much. Some may prefer her, some may prefer other candidates, but it was largely a press corps invention that the primary would be dominated by one faction of pro-Hillary Democrats battling it out with another faction of anti-Hillary Democrats.
Yep. Heck, the Media's hate of Hillary helps her with Democrats.

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    Hillary we Love (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by talkingpoint on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 08:58:31 PM EST
      In terms of likeability, Hillary had a positive image with 55% of Americans, and Obama 59%, are those numbers that far apart? Likeability don't mean that they are going to vote for you. Obama is liked by many republicans, who stated that they like him, but will not vote for him and will vote republican. Yes, Hillary is hated by maybe 80% of the rightwing, which means she must be doing something right. Furthermore, Obama love for Reagan is sure to make Rush Limbaugh and friends like him more, but will they vote for him? NO. The likeability factor is misleading. Hilary is a real 100% lefty, and I LOVE HER. When did true lefties began to back the guy the right likes more? Is there something wrong with this picture?

    I haven't been following this that much (none / 0) (#1)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 03:58:00 PM EST
    but I always got the impression that these strong feelings of dislike toward Hillary weren't observed as solely the domain of her fellow Dems.

    Heh (none / 0) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:05:25 PM EST


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    Which is why I want John Edwards to stay in the (none / 0) (#2)
    by Geekesque on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:01:03 PM EST
    race through South Carolina and perhaps February 5.

    I think, despite what people on blogs would tell you, that he takes more away from Clinton than he does from Obama.

    Especially in Southern states, where he cuts only into the white vote that Clinton needs to counter Obama's advantage amongst African-Americans.

    Now that's honesty (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:02:42 PM EST


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    Heh (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:03:49 PM EST
    I saw your very shrewd diary encouraging Edwrds' supporters.

    You are almost as good a candidate supporter at daily kos as I was for Clark in 2003-2004.

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    That diary was dispositive for me (none / 0) (#10)
    by andgarden on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:14:03 PM EST


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    Well, I hope my candidate fares a litle (none / 0) (#14)
    by Geekesque on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:37:18 PM EST
    better.

    Winning Dkos straw polls is not of much consequence.

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    He already has (none / 0) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:39:09 PM EST
    You do know I hope that he will be on the ticket one way or another right?

    Which means he is likely to be President, now or in the future.

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    I hope so too. (none / 0) (#21)
    by Geekesque on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:55:55 PM EST
    I emailed you this, but I had to let you see this:

    Hillary's favorite presidents include Reagan and Poppy Bush.
    "Her list of favorite presidents - Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, George H.W. Bush and Reagan - demonstrates how she thinks. As expected, Bill Clinton was also included on the aforementioned list."


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    However did you find this tidbit? (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:02:06 PM EST
    FYI:  San Francisco Chronicle published a summary of their interview of Barack Obama but also a complete transcript.  See Huffington Post.

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    Saw it at Dem. Underground. n/t (none / 0) (#44)
    by Geekesque on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:44:15 PM EST


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    Geek, That Link Does Not Get Me To The (none / 0) (#46)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 06:24:31 PM EST
    Clinton quote you mention. Since it is a Clinton campaign site, don't know if the link is wrong or if the page has changed.

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    The quote is from the editorial endorsement.; (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 06:53:53 PM EST
    it does not purport to be a quote from Hillary Clinton.  I'd still like to see the transcript of the interview.

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    Edwards (none / 0) (#45)
    by Judith on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 06:21:53 PM EST
    or Obama?

    I say Obama.

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    yup (none / 0) (#47)
    by Judith on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 06:36:20 PM EST
    Obama.

    does jgarza know?

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    Did you see my suggestion you write (none / 0) (#49)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 06:56:29 PM EST
    a piece here explaining why you support Obama to win  the nomination this year?  What policies does he favor that you also favor.  Where are his policy preferences documented?  What is his past record re those policies?

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    according to The New York Times (none / 0) (#19)
    by Judith on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:49:11 PM EST
    HRC and Obama split the Southern African American vote - so the prejudice that AAs will only vote AA is unfounded.

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    I'm sorry (none / 0) (#3)
    by Jgarza on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:01:41 PM EST
    did Obama make up the idea of an anti Hillary vote?  So I don't even see why you mention him in this post?

    You can't have postive posts on Hillary any more without attacking Obaam?

    This is petty IMO

    Obama's Right: Hillary Is Likeable Enough

    I'm sure the candidate(as in Obama) bashers will have a line of nasty attacks, but no you had nothing to do with it.

    It's funny (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:02:37 PM EST
    Get a sense of humor.

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    You have to admit it caused you to read (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:57:29 PM EST
    it.  Pretty clever.

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    Until recently, no, I didn't (none / 0) (#9)
    by andgarden on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:12:48 PM EST
    I didn't believe, even at orange, that candidate support could come before absolutely everything else.

    Now I do.

    have you ever (none / 0) (#11)
    by Jgarza on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:14:18 PM EST
    read Taylor Marsh?

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    Infrequently (none / 0) (#12)
    by andgarden on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:17:18 PM EST


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    Olbermann (none / 0) (#13)
    by athyrio on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:23:30 PM EST
    Olbermann just apologized for yesterdays Lawrence O'Donell appearance on his program....He must have gotten alot of heat for that....I took exception to O'Donnell's remark that the Reagan remark would only offend the extreme left wing of the democratic party which is not true at all....

    Olbermann has become his own (none / 0) (#23)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:58:12 PM EST
    "public editor."  

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    The anyone but Hillary contingent (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:54:49 PM EST
    continues to rave on at DK and the latest DK poll shows she is barely surviving there.  Also, listening to am talk radio this week confirmed a severe case of Hillary hate (although I guess usually only Republicans listen to this stuff);  especially amazing was the hate spewed at Hillary because of her economic proposal, which George W. Bush admin. quickly adopted and topped by proposing a rebate to all.  

    BTD: (none / 0) (#24)
    by cpinva on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 04:58:42 PM EST
    either you haven't seen very much, or this is your saying of the season:

    Ugliest thing I have ever seen.

    take my word for it (and i'm a lot older than you), if that's the ugliest thing you've ever seen, consider yourself fortunate.

    among the ugliest things i've ever seen:

    1. wards of recuperating wounded, at quantico naval hospital, fresh in from vietnam.

    2. dr. king and his followers, in "the mule train", being attacked by the locals, as they made their way up rt. 1, through nva, towards DC.

    by comparison, some stupid, racist blog tirade pales. rude? yes. disgusting? yes. ugliest thing i've ever seen? not even f*ing close.

    sorry, i had a bunch of leftover commas, from yesterday's quota.

    I Like Hillary (none / 0) (#26)
    by talkingpoint on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:02:48 PM EST
     I like hllary alot, and I also liked Obama, until the Reagan talk, and all the talk about race, and Obama the poor victim of racism. Why can't he just be a presidential candidate and not a victim or someone that can give Bill Clinton some credit of the 90's economy and not Reagan? if Hillary or Edwards don't get the nomination, i'm really not sure if I will vote. Obama have pushed me away big time.

    If he's the nominee (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by BDB on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:07:51 PM EST
    vote for Obama.

    Don't let the primary wars get you down, most of it is political BS that doesn't mean anything.  Whatever his merits versus the other dems (and he's personally my least fave of the Big 3), he's still vastly better than the best person running for the Republican nomination (who are all so universally awful, albeit in different ways, I cannot decide which among them is truly best).  

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    umm (none / 0) (#33)
    by Jgarza on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:24:57 PM EST
    Candidate bashers

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    Ohh and my pridiction (none / 0) (#36)
    by Jgarza on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:30:23 PM EST
    come true, a post that has nothing to do with Obama.

    and all the talk about race, and Obama the poor victim of racism.

    This is a pretty tacky remark IMO

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    Re: "Obama's right" (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:05:38 PM EST
    This must be yet another intentional slime of Hillary Clinton!  Implication being she is to the right of Barack Obama.  

    Heh (none / 0) (#30)
    by BDB on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:09:29 PM EST
    Or it's an insult to her because if Obama is right, doesn't that mean that she must be wrong?

    BTD just said Hillary was wrong! To the barricades!

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    To talking point (none / 0) (#31)
    by athyrio on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:12:24 PM EST
    I completely agree with your last post.

    Jerk Alarm (none / 0) (#35)
    by PlayInPeoria on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:30:02 PM EST
    Any one ever heard of it? My mother taught me about it. She said any time some one starts to make you feel all warm inside ..... starts to talk about how they can make your future so much easier, brighter, better... tells you they are above the fray... they are different.... they want to unite the community ..... YOUR JERK ALARM SHOULD SOUND OFF.

    She explained that your mind NOT your heart should take over after a "Jerk Alarm" sound off. Because these are the people the can lead you down a "great path" or a "disaster". That goes for the guy in the bar to a political figure.

    Here are some of the comments coming from one camp..."sense something big is afoot" "Change we can believe in" "Feel of a rock star event" "Unity".

    I do not need a religious experience from a pol. I want sound leadership through the tough times ahead of us.... In that "She IS LIKEABLE enough!"

    HAR HAR HAR HAR (none / 0) (#37)
    by Jgarza on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:33:25 PM EST
    calling candidates jerks is just so funny, I'm glad I got my sense of humor back.

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    Not yet. Maybe time for a break? (none / 0) (#39)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:34:43 PM EST


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    Are you saying Obama isn't playing (none / 0) (#38)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:34:02 PM EST
    well in Peoria?

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    HA! You got it! (none / 0) (#42)
    by PlayInPeoria on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:38:59 PM EST
    He really didn't do much while in Illinois. Was just another pol.

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    What percentage of people in Peoria (none / 0) (#43)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:40:24 PM EST
    voted him into the U.S. Senate?  

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    Obama 2004 Race (none / 0) (#50)
    by PlayInPeoria on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:49:27 PM EST
    In the primaries, Peoria went with his opponent, Dan Hynes. Obama did not have much support outside the Chicago area. He only won 4 counties in downstate Illinois.

    For the senate race, Obama had a huge win.

    But the Rep Jack Ryan had some nasty details of his divorce to actress Jeri Ryan hit the air ways. Ryan withdrew from the election after pressure from the Rep Party. Alan Keyes (who lived in Maryland) was named to take his place.

    Obama being the key note speaker at the DNC brought him into the national lime light. He easily won the race.

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    Amen Peoria (none / 0) (#40)
    by athyrio on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 05:36:46 PM EST
    Well said and I agree completely.

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    Guess that's why (none / 0) (#51)
    by converse on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 08:16:10 PM EST
    she can't get more than 47% in any head-to-head poll against any rep candidate.  Hmm.  No anti-Hillary.  Right.

    It's the Economy (none / 0) (#52)
    by PlayInPeoria on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 08:49:32 PM EST
    The economy will take care of the Reps. We are going to have a HUGE sweep of Dems in the election.

    We are headed for a very bad recession. Look at December... horrible.

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    yes (none / 0) (#53)
    by Judith on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 08:55:19 PM EST
    and the gibberish will be swept away and real answers will be demanded.

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