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Las Vegas Dems Debate: Live Thread Three

Part III. Domestic issues.

Not yet. Russert asks Hillary about national service and military recruiters on college campus. She talks about her bills to give GI's and vets more rights and services. Mentions her service on armed services committee.

Russert asks her if the top ten schools should have ROTC.

Obama agrees and says he too will enforce a statute that requires military recruiters and ROTC to be allowed on campus. He too supports national service and has introduced a bill on it.

Edwards agrees with the other two. He talks about PTSD. It's obvious all three have the same position here. Why not ask questions about areas they disagree on? [Updates Below}

Edwards comes out with a question about nuclear power plants and Hillary zings him with his vote against the Nevada waste bill -- twice. He says it was based on the science at the time. But he got zinged.

Russert now asks Obama about a vote of his in the past. Answers and then turns to nuclear energy and discusses climate change.

Hillary bashes Bush/Cheney 2005 energy bill. It was the wrong policy bill for America and was titlted towards special interests. She talks about her proposed energy bills.

Good, we're on immigration. Edwards urges payment of fine and learning to speak English. it should be a requirement.

Clinton: Sleezy question about something her pollster said about latinos not supporting AA candidates. She says he was making a historical statement and we have to get everyone on the same page. Asks Obama about that and he says not in Illinois, Latinos voted for him.

Russert won't let Hillary talk about immigration. Obama turns to it. Says he supported Kennedy's plan and the Latinos will know they have an advocate with him.

Why didn't Russert let Hillary answer the same question -- really unfair.

Viewer puff question to Obama on how he will turn around high drop out rates of African Americans. He says Latinos have high drop out rate too and trumpets the same policies Hillary and Edwards have supported for years. Waste of five minutes since they all agree.

Now on gun deaths. Hillary is against illegal guns. Political winds are against doing anything to get guns off the streets. "I don't want Federal govt pre-empting states. We need a really good registry." Crack down on illegal gun dealers. Pass assault weapons ban. "I believe in Second Amendment" (yes!).

Obama pretty much sgrees with Hillary. He's for allowing police more access to information on gun buyers to track illegal gun sales (Not sure I like that.)

Edwards even stronger on protecting Second Amendment rights.

Once again, they're all on the same page.

Break. Question to Hillary about playing the fear card before New Hampshire. Hillary says "it's a fact." We face a bad adversary who will take advantage of us. We haven't talked as much about homeland security as we should have in this campaign. Protecting our country is our highest duty. It's a critical question.

Rooting out terrorism will be one of our biggest jobs and "I feel prepared to take that on."

Asks Obama about whether candidates are using politics of fear. He praises Clinton's work in New York. But when she uses specter of a new attack during a campaign, that's a mistake. "I don't want to perpetuate that. " Complains that money that should have been spent in Afghanistan went to Iraq.

Russert asks Hillary if she's saying terrorists might be more likely to attack us if Obama is President. She says of course not. She brings it back to experience and abilty to react -- it's not a question of provoking.

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    I'm pro (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Jgarza on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:23:28 PM EST
    nuclear, stop pandering

    HRC wins, Obama places, Edwards show (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 10:00:13 PM EST


    There were not winners (none / 0) (#102)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 10:01:20 PM EST
    It was big fat draw.

    Parent
    draw goes to the front runner (none / 0) (#104)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 10:03:02 PM EST
    but you are otherwise correct. Edwards did not help himself. So he definitely places 3rd

    Parent
    Agree (none / 0) (#105)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 10:09:21 PM EST
    Chris Matthews is raving about Hillary tonight and how she trumped Obama and Edwards with a power play by attacking Bush.

    I thought Hillary and Obama were good and Obama was quite earnest and well-intentioned but she appeared to be more of a leader.

    Parent

    Ha ha (none / 0) (#1)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:13:44 PM EST
    off topic, but funny

    The Michigan Republican Party accidentally sent out a news release Tuesday night congratulating John McCain for winning the state's GOP primary before catching the error and sending out a second release praising Mitt Romney's victory.

    The Associated Press named Romney the GOP winner as soon as polls closed in Michigan's western Upper Peninsula at 9 p.m. The incorrect GOP release went out just minutes later.



    please put that on the michigan thread and (1.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:20:11 PM EST
    don't try to hijack this one.

    Parent
    Hillary gives a bad answer (none / 0) (#2)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:15:05 PM EST
    on Solomon Amendment. Says she'll enforce it.

    why bad? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:16:04 PM EST
    She says she'll "vigorously enforce" (none / 0) (#7)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:16:54 PM EST
    the Solomon amendment, as does Obama.

    Parent
    so... (none / 0) (#9)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:17:30 PM EST
    why is that bad?

    Parent
    It means that colleges (none / 0) (#12)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:18:29 PM EST
    can't take federal money if they enforce their diversity policies.

    Parent
    pardon (none / 0) (#14)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:18:58 PM EST
    I thought you were referring to the link between fed funding and recruitment on a campus.

    Parent
    I am (none / 0) (#16)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:19:30 PM EST
    ok (none / 0) (#17)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:19:35 PM EST
    you were.

    sorry, I agree with this.

    Parent

    Agree with what? (none / 0) (#20)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:20:42 PM EST
    that colleges and universities should be forced to choose between fairness and federal money?

    Parent
    huh? (none / 0) (#25)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:22:01 PM EST
    that aint the choice.

    Parent
    Yes it is (none / 0) (#34)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:26:58 PM EST
    because of DADT.

    Parent
    sorry (none / 0) (#36)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:30:18 PM EST
    I think that issue is secondary to asking young people to consider serving their country while they are supported by the country's money.

    I appreciate the DADT sensitivity.

    Parent

    It's mandating bigotry (none / 0) (#38)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:30:48 PM EST
    Unacceptable.

    Parent
    I said (none / 0) (#43)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:32:19 PM EST
    I said that is a secondary issue to me.

    Parent
    Well for me it's a question (none / 0) (#49)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:34:08 PM EST
    of my personal rights, so it's a primary issue for me.

    Parent
    I'm with andgarden (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by BryanNYC on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:35:28 PM EST
    To me, this is a basic human rights issue. When my government forces my university to disregard its anti-discrimination policy, that is unacceptable to me.

    Parent
    I understand your (none / 0) (#64)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:40:05 PM EST
    point of view and i do not wish to be sucked inot a dicsussion of gay rights. My point is that the issue of DADT does not to me supercede the appropritateness of asking people to consider serving their country if they take the country;s money.  If you dont want to allow the request to be mde you cant take the cash. Sorry, that seems fair to me.

    Parent
    You can't separate the two (none / 0) (#71)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:42:02 PM EST
    and that is intentional.

    Parent
    I can and I do (none / 0) (#75)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:44:10 PM EST
    I understand this is an emotional topic for some people so I am going to decline form further discussion on this.  I have a different opinion than you and we are each unlikely to convince the other.  So my best to you and have a great night.

    best -

    Parent

    I'm being "emotional" (none / 0) (#78)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:45:16 PM EST
    when I say that I value my rights?

    Please.

    Parent

    that';s cool (none / 0) (#50)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:34:52 PM EST
    by me.

    Parent
    Federal financial aid... (none / 0) (#80)
    by BryanNYC on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:46:45 PM EST
    I don't think I should be denied access to it because of my sexual orientation. And why should someone who wants to  serve in the military be denied because of their sexual orientation? Actually, bringing this question back to the candidates, I don't think any of them support DADT.

    Parent
    Obama give similarly bad answer (none / 0) (#4)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:16:19 PM EST
    This is tied to DADT.

    Parent
    why bad? (none / 0) (#6)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:16:43 PM EST
    oh, sorry (none / 0) (#8)
    by Klio on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:17:05 PM EST
    don't know those details
    ??


    Parent
    so did Obama and Edwards (none / 0) (#19)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:20:41 PM EST
    they all say the same thing about this.

    Parent
    And they all gave the cowardly answer (none / 0) (#21)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:21:04 PM EST
    actually, I liked her entire answer (none / 0) (#5)
    by Klio on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:16:35 PM EST
    so sue me


    You'll be (none / 0) (#11)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:17:46 PM EST
    hearing from my attorney in the morning.

    Parent
    The obligation (none / 0) (#10)
    by Jgarza on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:17:33 PM EST
    to serve exists for everyone, did he steal this from Dodd BTD?

    JE (none / 0) (#13)
    by Jgarza on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:18:47 PM EST
    you can't just talk about them, you have to talk about them and be angry!

    They should have attacked the question (none / 0) (#15)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:19:20 PM EST
    because it was nonsense.  With all that is going on with the military, that is what Russert asks?

    it's russert (none / 0) (#22)
    by Klio on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:21:32 PM EST
    he's a clown

    Parent
    And now they're all going (none / 0) (#23)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:21:38 PM EST
    to toe the line on opposing Yucca mountain.

    This is BAD pandering.

    Why doesn't Russert (none / 0) (#24)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:21:42 PM EST
    ask questions to show their policy differences? They all agree on the questions being asked, we're not learning much.

    I am glad you said it (none / 0) (#26)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:22:58 PM EST
    it is not a useful debate since Onbama and Clinton arent debating.

    Parent
    This is a terrible debate (none / 0) (#27)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:23:06 PM EST
    Because of the questions.

    Parent
    3 (none / 0) (#29)
    by Jgarza on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:24:09 PM EST
    votes he regrets

    nailed him and made him sound defesive (none / 0) (#30)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:25:21 PM EST
    HRC v JRE

    agreee (none / 0) (#31)
    by Jgarza on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:25:48 PM EST
    I think the threshold for (none / 0) (#33)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:26:31 PM EST
    "nailing" has dropped considerably in this debate.

    Parent
    Nuclear power (none / 0) (#32)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:25:51 PM EST
    A great fleecing of the American public

    good clean hit by hillary (none / 0) (#35)
    by Jgarza on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:27:47 PM EST
    on Obama

    missed it, but if say it was a clean, it must be (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:31:36 PM EST
    Getting Bored (none / 0) (#39)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:30:51 PM EST
    They are losing me. The answers are getting too detailed and filled with shorthand that is over the public's head.

    With all the polls showing the public cares about the economy and health care, why are they spending so much time on military recruitment and nuclear power or energy.

    Edwards is really bad on energy (none / 0) (#40)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:31:12 PM EST
    He's just wrong.

    He's trying to channel Al Gore. (none / 0) (#61)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:39:16 PM EST
    Obama - reduce consumption of energy (none / 0) (#42)
    by scalibur on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:32:13 PM EST
    Yes!

    republican framing (none / 0) (#44)
    by Jgarza on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:32:52 PM EST
    on immigration....
    everyone wants English as the official language

    Obama (none / 0) (#45)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:32:56 PM EST
    had by far the best answer.

    Immigration (none / 0) (#46)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:33:06 PM EST
    Williams is really bad about this. Edwards uses "amnesty," which is charged and bad. This is possibly his worst issue.

    The English question (none / 0) (#47)
    by scalibur on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:33:12 PM EST
    ready for some fireworks?

    her comes (none / 0) (#48)
    by Jgarza on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:33:54 PM EST
    race

    that (none / 0) (#51)
    by Jgarza on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:34:52 PM EST
    was a great answer!

    Black - brown? (none / 0) (#53)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:35:29 PM EST


    obama (none / 0) (#54)
    by Jgarza on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:36:04 PM EST
    knocked that out of the park

    the (none / 0) (#60)
    by Jgarza on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:38:13 PM EST
    same reason latinos have high drop out rates...

    builds on that answer

    Parent

    Obama was really good (none / 0) (#55)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:36:16 PM EST
    on immigration.

    I disagree (none / 0) (#56)
    by scalibur on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:36:37 PM EST
    he's not really talking about his positions..

    Parent
    It's too complicated an issue (none / 0) (#58)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:37:44 PM EST
    to get specific.

    Parent
    Early childhood education (none / 0) (#59)
    by scalibur on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:38:00 PM EST
    on the other hand, is a very good thing for him to be talking about

    Parent
    Obama is looking for the teachers' votes. (none / 0) (#57)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:37:44 PM EST


    and Hillary of the parents (none / 0) (#62)
    by scalibur on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:39:34 PM EST
    which group is larger? hmmm

    Parent
    Russert kept Hillary from answering on immigration (none / 0) (#63)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:39:39 PM EST
    I really wanted to hear her answer on how they differ.  We all know how they support education. There's no differences there... waste of time.

    thanks you for the threads tonight (none / 0) (#70)
    by Judith on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:41:45 PM EST
    I cant stay but appreciate you having this here.
    Best -

    Parent
    Getting the family involved? (none / 0) (#65)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:40:23 PM EST
    Please, do tell.  Not a good answer from Hillary.

    No NRA endorsement for HRC. (none / 0) (#66)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:40:55 PM EST


    she'll be so surprised (none / 0) (#68)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:41:30 PM EST
    She's the only one willing to (none / 0) (#76)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:44:35 PM EST
    state her position and not pander.  Good for her.  

    Parent
    Uh oh...gun issue.... (none / 0) (#67)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:41:11 PM EST


    Russert: (none / 0) (#69)
    by Jgarza on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:41:42 PM EST
    pick do you tick off gun owners or victims of gun crimes!

    I liked Obama speaking up about the (none / 0) (#72)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:42:48 PM EST
    missing father in the black family issue.  Really important.

    from a (none / 0) (#74)
    by Jgarza on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:44:06 PM EST
    personal experience

    Parent
    Oooo (none / 0) (#73)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:42:48 PM EST
    Lists of people with mental health issues?  My wife the Dr of Psychology might wonder how that would be doable, with the ethical violation to report and all.

    Not sure the shooter in VA would have (none / 0) (#79)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:45:44 PM EST
    been disqualified from owning a gun in CA.  Had he ever been involuntarily committed to a mental health in patient facility?  

    Parent
    No (none / 0) (#83)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:47:22 PM EST
    VA Shooter (none / 0) (#106)
    by BDB on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 10:22:47 PM EST
    He was disqualified under federal law, so state law didn't matter.  The problem, as Tim Kaine explained it, was Virginia didn't understand the federal prohibitor was broader than Virginia prohibitor and so only reported the Virginia prohibited people and didn't report Cho.

    You don't have to be involuntarily committed under California law to be prohibited from owning a gun, you just have to be picked up under 5150 for a mental health hold (although if that's the case, you can petition a court to get your gun rights back).  The prohibition, however, is not lifetime, just some set number of years.

    Parent

    5150 or involuntary/court commitment to (none / 0) (#107)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 11:18:33 PM EST
    in patient mental health facility.  

    Parent
    Yep (none / 0) (#109)
    by BDB on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 11:54:59 PM EST
    Although the court/involuntary commitment also makes you prohibited federally.  The 5150 only makes you prohibited under California law.

    Parent
    Boooring (none / 0) (#77)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:45:08 PM EST


    I would appreciate a summary of the questions (none / 0) (#81)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:46:49 PM EST
    and each person's response on immigration issues.  I zoned out.  Thanks.

    They area all going to do something about it (none / 0) (#84)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:47:59 PM EST
    In very broad terms.

    Parent
    They all supported the Second Amendment (none / 0) (#82)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:47:06 PM EST
    Good for them. Few differences between them except Obama talked about giving more info to the cops to track illegal gun sales. I don't think I like that answer.

    They could have hedged and sd., (none / 0) (#85)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:48:20 PM EST
    let's wait and see what the U.S. Supreme Court says.

    Parent
    why are the (none / 0) (#86)
    by Jgarza on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:48:42 PM EST
    laughing?

    HIllary (none / 0) (#87)
    by Jgarza on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:50:48 PM EST
    channeling Guiliani, i feel it more acutely because i represent New York

    Swell (none / 0) (#88)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:52:08 PM EST
    I think she's right and Obama is (none / 0) (#89)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:52:30 PM EST
    blurring the issues.  

    Parent
    and he hit her on (none / 0) (#90)
    by Jgarza on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:52:35 PM EST
    it
    NICE!

    Obama makes a good point (none / 0) (#91)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:53:11 PM EST
    on fear and the results of fear.

    Huh. (none / 0) (#92)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:55:42 PM EST
    I learned from this website that Edwards had lied about the phone call.  Turns out one of you kids were wrong.

    wrong (none / 0) (#108)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 11:39:04 PM EST
    this website pointed out he didn't lie and originally said the call he got was in response to one he made.

    Parent
    Obama's Kenya call (none / 0) (#93)
    by scalibur on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:57:05 PM EST
    I want him to have a chance to talk about that

    THAT's the thoughtful question? (none / 0) (#94)
    by Klio on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:57:16 PM EST
    when did you decide to run?
    I despair ...


    Lame, lame, lame (none / 0) (#95)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:57:30 PM EST
    question to end on.

    Lame.

    I made it over new years (none / 0) (#96)
    by Jgarza on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:57:35 PM EST
    i have a feeling i won't believe anybody's answer on this.

    Kindergarten (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by scalibur on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:58:28 PM EST
    Overall (none / 0) (#97)
    by commissar on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 09:57:40 PM EST
    I don't think Obama (my candidate) helped himself too much. No knockouts by anyone, though.

    The "I am no COO type" can hurt.

    Perhaps (none / 0) (#99)
    by scalibur on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 10:00:11 PM EST
    But it was still clearly Obama's best performance. Not so much Edwards.

    Parent
    Boring (none / 0) (#101)
    by DA in LA on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 10:00:44 PM EST
    Debate because of the questions.  Pointless.  Did not get to anything important, anything that really separates them from each other.

    Russert is a tool

    Post Debate Thread (none / 0) (#103)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 10:01:51 PM EST
    now up here.

    Hillary is a true leader (none / 0) (#110)
    by talkingpoint on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 12:43:54 AM EST
       Hillary as proven that she would be a very effective president, and someone that actually knows whats going on.