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The Minefield: Let's Back Out Slowly

Speaking for me only.

Whether there was any intentional campaign work on the issue of race by the Obama and Clinton camps in the past few days, it is clear that any further skirmishing on this issue is counterproductive to both and to the Democratic Party. If there was strategy behind the efforts of anyone, it behooves them - and US - as Democrats, to leave this ugly interlude behind us.

The evidence for the claiming of race exploitation as a deliberate campaign strategy by either Clinton and/or Obama is sketchy at best. We can never know for sure if one or either did this. And sheer speculation by them and us is not helpful to either candidacy and to the Democratic Party.

So let's get this straight - campaigns, control your surrogates. Control your "unnamed advisors." Fire people or drop them as supporters if you have to. Stop this now. As for the blog communities (as opposed to the bloggers themselves), in my opinion, many of them are beyond redemption at this point and have been utterly neutered as positive forces for Democratic values and, more importantly for some of the members, for the candidates they claim to support. No one is listening to them anymore.

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    Give credit where credit is due... (3.66 / 3) (#6)
    by eddeevy on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:29:17 AM EST
    Hillary stands beside a billionaire black man (in a Church) while he clearly attempts to destroy the character of Barack Obama...and she says nothing. We know who is responsible for injecting racism into this election. We're not idiots!

    Um (none / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:36:38 AM EST
    You know do you? you are not an idiot?

    Sheesh.

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    personal insults (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:44:39 PM EST
    let's avoid them, ok?

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    clarify if you will (none / 0) (#12)
    by white n az on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:14:25 AM EST
    which was the racist act?
    • standing besides a billionaire black man?
    • what the billionaire black man said?
    • Hillary campaigning while white?

    I'm confused because I don't see the racism

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    Good test for Obama (3.00 / 2) (#7)
    by sphealey on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:34:21 AM EST
    This is a good test for Obama.  If he isn't capable of handling this he won't be capable of handling the Radical Right in October; best to know now.

    Nice job of providing "let's all stop fighting now" cover after the knife is in by the way.

    sPh

    the question is (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:35:58 AM EST
    who is the knife in? Unlike you, I think the Clinton campaign suffered here, not the Obama campaign.

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    how? (none / 0) (#13)
    by Heather on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:32:43 AM EST
    I don't see it. How does a fight about race hurt the clintons with their white blue collar base?

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    It hurts them with A-As (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:34:07 AM EST
    about 50% of the electorate in South Carolina.

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    African Americans (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Jgarza on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:38:15 AM EST
    are also a significant portion of the primary voters in a number of big states, including California, New York, Georgia, even Texas (were this to go into March).

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    Haven't you heard? (none / 0) (#17)
    by andgarden on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:39:36 AM EST
    In the grand conspiracy theory, Hillary Clinton isn't contesting South Carolina.

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    Haven't you heard? HRC (none / 0) (#30)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:16:59 AM EST
    strategy is to attract Latino/Hispanic voters.  That explains perfectly why she had the head of BET intro her yesterday!

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    But it helps them with (none / 0) (#28)
    by Heather on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:13:21 AM EST
    low-information, blue collar, white, high school grads....a pretty sizable voting bloc.

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    In the primary, yes (none / 0) (#39)
    by DA in LA on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 12:21:29 PM EST
    But she won't get the people she is turning off with this race stuff in the general.  It is a bad, bad plan.

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    I agree it (none / 0) (#15)
    by Jgarza on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:36:18 AM EST
    was an uphill battle for them to begin with, but Bob Johnson made them look terrible.  It will be hard for them to back off it, since Hillary was sitting right  next to him when he did that.

    I heard Bill on TV saying we have to take him (Bob Johnson) at is word.

    It has muddled up their attack on Barack now.  They went after him on Iraq, but all anyone is talking about is Bob Johnson.

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    No one has (none / 0) (#32)
    by Jgarza on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:29:41 AM EST
    tried to aired her dirty laundry yet, if we are going to et one candidate like that we should vet both.

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    The chickens have come home to roost (none / 0) (#1)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 07:55:57 AM EST

    After playing identity politics for the last 40 or so years, its a bit much to expect habits that engrained to disappear from the party over night.

    Yes the GOP is poised to be stomped this year (none / 0) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:03:04 AM EST
    The chickens are coming to roost.

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    I agree and wish it could be (none / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:18:02 AM EST
    But some have found it much easier to spin a grand theory of racism.

    they have become (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:25:01 AM EST
    irrelevant by their own actions.

    No one takes them seriously. And yes I am talking about the daily kos community.

    It is a sick joke now.

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    Thank you. (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:05:30 AM EST
    Amen to that. (none / 0) (#20)
    by TheRealFrank on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:13:59 AM EST
    There's bound to be some touchiness and anti-candidate rhetoric, but it has gone into the realm of the ridiculous. Or perhaps downright scary. Angry mobs are not a pretty sight.


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    I found it really depressing reading (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:19:22 AM EST
    the highly recommended diary and comments last night, and the diary is still on the recommended list with over 1000 comments. My previous admiration for the diarist, based on admiring his sense of humor, has turned to disgust.  What will all these people do for the next four years?

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    There's no way I could evaluate that (none / 0) (#43)
    by andgarden on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:01:13 PM EST
    but what I do know is that they're are most likely being sold a bill a goods by Obama and his sycophants. A dangerous one, at that.

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    That's a pretty big leap. (none / 0) (#44)
    by DA in LA on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:45:33 PM EST
    Who gains? (none / 0) (#5)
    by commissar on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:28:00 AM EST
    Some Dem bloggers' thoughts.

    (Blogging & commenting etiquette note: Sometimes I prefer to make full posts at my own blog, rather than get drawn in tit-for-tat, snark-for-snark here. If you prefer, I will not promote my own blog here; let me know. At any rate, the linked post replies to Armando.)


    Proving that a lot of people are being (none / 0) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:37:47 AM EST
    very silly.

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    so long (none / 0) (#45)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:43:22 PM EST
    as you are linking to something you wrote that is about the topic of the thread you are commenting on, and you put your link in html format as you did here, I have no problem with it. If it doesn't pertain to the thread topic, you should wait until an open thread and put it there.

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    Obama campaign screwed up big time (none / 0) (#11)
    by white n az on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:11:45 AM EST
    Not only are they off their message, they tried to exploit media contempt for Clinton through playing the victim because of his race.

    Shelby Steele covers this extensively on Bill Moyers this week...what has served Obama well has been his reluctance to invoke race at all...

    A bargainer is a black who enters the American, the white American mainstream by saying to whites in effect, in some code form, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm not going to rub the shame of American history in your face if you will not hold my race against me. Whites then respond with enormous gratitude. And bargainers are usually extremely popular people. Oprah Winfrey, Bill Cosby, Sidney Poitier back in the Sixties and so forth. Because they give whites this benefit of the doubt. That you can be with these people and not feel that you're going to be charged with racism at any instant. And so they tend to be very successful, very popular.

    Challengers on the other hand say, I presume that you, this institution, this society, is racist until it proves otherwise by giving me some concrete form of racial preference.

    Steele has identified Obama to be a 'bargainer' and not a 'challenger' and this absolutely makes sense.

    Now that the Obama camp has fallen into the trap of 'bargaining' they have effectively muted their own candidate, their message and their chances.

    Racism (none / 0) (#18)
    by NYMARJ on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:48:23 AM EST
    The issue of race has always been a sensitive one.  But if we are at the point when Hillary Clinton cannot make the historical reference of Martin Luther King and LBJ working hand in hand to create voting and civil rights without being called a racist - then I think we are in trouble.  Obviously I am missing something.  If Bill Clinton cannot say that he has met many people in his life including Nelson Mandela but if he had to choose one person when it came down to it, it would be Hillary - and that is racist - I think we are looking for racism.   Now other comments are vaguely racist and other comments can be seen as sexist - no question about that.  

    But with the Martin Luther King reference obviously I am being dense since so many people see the racism. But then again I studied history.

    Nope (none / 0) (#29)
    by Rojas on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:16:43 AM EST
    This is the clinton's particular talent. As a marketing strategy, the clintons have succeeded in mixing their brand with that of the Democratic party. I'm not sure how or why, but it's a popular psychosis.

    Blogging Communities (none / 0) (#33)
    by horseloverfat on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:33:49 AM EST
    As to the point in the original post about blogging communities, there are definitely sites I have stopped visiting as a result of this commotion.

    Whatever message they are getting out, I am not hearing it.

    Prejudices (none / 0) (#34)
    by horseloverfat on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:36:14 AM EST
    People who start with a preconceived conclusion find it easy to find support for it by picking through the data.

    But remember (none / 0) (#35)
    by DA in LA on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:47:30 AM EST
    we are "vetting" the candidates.

    This would be why I called the process of long primary season deluded and optimistic.

    BTD is correct! (none / 0) (#36)
    by andreww on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 12:10:31 PM EST
    BTD, I couldn't agree with you more.  And it reminds me of something my mother used to tell me.  "Never wrestle with a Pig, because even if you win you'll still end up smelling like S***."  Regardless of who is right and who is wrong, who started it and who responded, the reality is that they did indeed engage and they will both end up tainted.

    I still think however that any of the Democrats would still win in November.  

    Indeed (none / 0) (#37)
    by DA in LA on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 12:17:41 PM EST


    Next up (none / 0) (#38)
    by DA in LA on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 12:18:44 PM EST
    the general election, where she paints herself the victim.

    Calling people racist is not allowed here (none / 0) (#47)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:48:13 PM EST
    Whether it is of a public figure or another commenter. I just deleted a comment calling someone's policies "racist."

    Multiple violations of this site's comment policy will result in my banning the commenter from the site.