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When Will Democratic Bloggers Endorse a Candidate?

It's not surprising that most Democratic bloggers (bloggers who are Democrats)have not endorsed a presidential candidate yet. It's too early. There is more than one that most of us could enthusiastically support.

In looking back at 2004, it wasn't until February, 2004 that Daily Kos endorsed John Edwards. Same for The Agonist. I was still undecided between Kerry and Edwards. On March 4, 2004, Edwards dropped out and Kerry had the nomination.

It's only September now. There are still three major candidates in the race, Hillary, Edwards and Obama.

While I've stated Hillary and Edwards are my favorites of the three, and that remains my position, I'll support whichever one gets the nomination. All are light-years better than the Republican candidates. All will bring change. All three will appoint judges and an Attorney General we can count on not to eviscerate our constitutional rights and to uphold the rule of law.

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Because of the speeded-up state primaries, things may move faster this year than they did in 2004. I suspect we will see earlier blogger endorsements.

I could change my mind next week and endorse a candidate. For now, I'm staying open, but still partial to Hillary and Edwards. That doesn't mean I am anti-Obama. It means just what I say, I would heartily support any of the three who get the nomination, but my first choices are Hillary or John Edwards.

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    Holding off as long as possible (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by scribe on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 11:37:17 AM EST
    as to both endorsing or nominating (effectively) any of the candidates is the best way for the Dems to go.

    I would be most happy to see the nomination be undecided as of the time of the convention, and that the convention mean something other than a coronation.  I know this is highly unlikely to happen, as the likely result of the first round of primaries will likely knock out one of the three leaders, and the second round decide it.  

    That doesn't make it a good idea.  

    So long as there is a real contest underway, the media and the Rethug message machine cannot concentrate on (a) destroying the Dem candidate and (b) rousing the Rethug base.  They have a multitude of targets presently, and an even wider spectrum of policy positions to examine (or not).  Once there is a clear leader, or winner, that simplifies matters for them.

    We've seen (like in the post today on Mr. Hsu's problems) how the media will sell papers on mountains they've made of molehills.  They (and the Rethugs) would like nothing more than for HRC to lock up the nomination early - that would be just the activiation the Rethug base would need.  I mean, to them, she's the AntiChrist, Satan, and their third-grade teacher making them obey the rules all rolled into one.  With an early - like, February, lockup - the media and Rethugs (one and the same, largely) could (and will) then spend the next nine or so months on the usual slander.

    So, the later the better.

    I'm not endorsing anyone because all of them would be a huge improvement on Bush, and far, far better than anyone the Rethugs have or will put up.  Any of them might even undo some (or even most) of the damage of the last six-plus years.  That said, if I were forced to state my preferences, I'd say:  Edwards, Obama, Dodd, and Clinton.

    Jeralyn (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by TomStewart on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 12:31:46 PM EST
    Thanks for changing 'Democrat' to 'Democratic'. That's one of those things that really bug me.

    I'm not endorsing because... (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Meteor Blades on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 12:40:56 PM EST
    ...none of them comes close to offering what I think is essential: a fresh post-Cold War, post-9/11 foreign policy. Last time around, we had an antiwar candidate. This time ...

    No doubt, when the convention comes around, I will support the nominee in keeping with my long-standing political stance as a Popular Front Democrat. I can make peace with myself over any Democrat's foreign policy views vs. any Republican nominee's views. I don't believe in committing political suicide by endorsing a third-party candidate no matter how much we might agree on the issues.

    But to endorse a Democrat now - against the other Democrats - means that I should be able to defend that candidate's foreign policy views against theirs. And I just can't do that.

    Was Kerry really an anti-war candidate? (none / 0) (#13)
    by robrecht on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 12:51:56 PM EST
    What did he say about endorsing the war even if there were no WMDs or something to that effect?

    Did he really say that or was that just spin by the other side to show him to be an every-side-of-the-issue flip-flopper?

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    I believe Meteor Blades is (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by Teresa on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 01:10:55 PM EST
    referring to Howard Dean in the last primary.

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    Since 1996 (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by aahpat on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 10:50:51 PM EST
    I have had a prohibition against voting for drug warrior candidates. Regardless of party. Period!

    The anti drug war candidates in the Democratic Party are not even listed as also rans by most party true believers.

    The GOP's Ron Paul is not viable due to his very questionable interpretations of the constitution.

    That, once again leaves me a protest vote for a third party or Independent. One who does reflect my civil liberties, human rights, social justice constitutional values.

    Whoever gets my vote it will be because they declare thier ardent opposition to the terrorist funding, crime promoting, Jim Crow drug war.

    I vote the issues not the personalities.

    The thread title question could be: (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by aahpat on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 01:35:01 PM EST
    'When Will Democratic Bloggers QUESTION THE CandidateS?'

    Like this.
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    QUESTION TO ALL 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES

    Do you, as a candidate for the presidency of the United States of America, endorse or refute the following resolution of the U.S. Conference of Mayors?

    "NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the United States Conference of Mayors believes the war on drugs has failed.." Complete resolution:United States Conference of Mayors resolution July 2007.

    Our mayors are America's drug war's front line elected executives. Our mayors must mop up the blood in our streets and confront the myriad social problems caused by the federal prohibition against regulating, licensing and taxing the anarchy out of the markets supplying America's $ 144-billion intoxicant drug consumer demand. Our mayors represent the interests of a vast majority of urban America.
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    Sorry Jeralyn: (4.00 / 1) (#20)
    by aahpat on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 10:39:40 PM EST
    I am a values voter. Constitutional values. Civil liberties, human rights and social justice. Clinton, Edwards and Obama are all on the wrong side of the divisive sectarian family values debate vs.  my radical left-wing constitutional values.

    "Hillary, Edwards and Obama."

    "All will bring change. All three will appoint judges and an Attorney General we can count on not to eviscerate our constitutional rights and to uphold the rule of law."

    I disagree.

    Edwards announced on Saturday that he would create and international intelligence coordinating treaty organization. The start of a global police state? He is a liberal authoritarian.

    Clinton promises to return America to the halcyon days of Hubby Bill's world record prison population. With the opium flooding out of Afghanistan that means a massive escalation of the Jim Crow drug war. A drug war police state advocate.

    And Clinton has been taking support from Rupert Murdoch for years. Murdoch's Fox News has been at the forefront of anti judiciary and anti rule of law constitutional originalist mop incitement for years.

    Obama proudly touts his cosponsorship of the 2005 Meth Act that the 2007 National Drug Threat Assessment admits gave the America meth market over to better organized and more ruthless Mexican cartel connected gangs. Another drug war police state advocate. In New Orleans Obama could have promised massive drug rehab to get the addicts, who commit most street economic crime, off the streets and so reduce crime in that poverty oppressed city. Instead he promises more DEA and police who will simply take the weaker gangsters off the street leaving the addict consumer demand intact for the smarter more powerful predators.

    Edwards is no more than an eager beaver opportunist without much knowledge of the potential for the wild ideas he too easily spouts off to impress voters. An average American pol in the 21st century. Forgiveably mindless. A liberal George W. Bush.

    But anyone who supports the Jim Crow drug war, as both Clinton and Obama do, cannot claim to uphold the rule of law. It is an insult to the concept to even associate them with the rule of law.

    Great topic! (none / 0) (#1)
    by robrecht on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 11:26:05 AM EST
    I really like the way BTD has emphasized the leadership of a dark horse like Dodd on Iraq as a way of trying to shape the debate.

    At the risk of getting flamed mercilessly, I'd also like to see Biden shape the Iraq political strategery debate more.  Not the congressional debate on defunding (on which we can't agree) but on the overall Iraq strategy, or lack thereof actually.

    I'm really gonna get flamed for the following:  On the Republican side, I would like a McCain-Powell ticket.  Sort of like Nixon going to China, I think, no one would question McCain and Powell eventually withdrawing from Iraq.

    None of this is gonna happen, of course, it's just about shaping the debate at this point.  Some of the front-runners, eg, Clinton, are so good at doing this because they seem to see too many sides of an issue.  Necessary when they're in power, but not so helpful in shaping the debate at this point with the mdedia-driven soundbyte political process we have.

    BTW WRT flaming me ... (none / 0) (#2)
    by robrecht on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 11:28:14 AM EST
    I already know that I'm a rather poorly informed neophyte at politics so no need to point out the obvious but I do appreciate constructive criticism of naive views.

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    I would question whether McCain would (none / 0) (#5)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 11:53:05 AM EST
    get us out. He strikes me as someone who will say or do anything to get elected- look at him since 2000. Furthermore he has embraced the Bush debacle known as Iraq- he just claims he would have done it better. This is not a man who would withdraw.

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    I agree, it's not good odds ... (none / 0) (#6)
    by robrecht on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 11:58:33 AM EST
    Eventually he would have to, admittedly a gamble on his integrity, concern for the larger military, and his fiscal conservativism.  Probably not a good gamble, but I don't think Ron Paul has much of a chance, do you?

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    What integrity? (none / 0) (#7)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 12:20:48 PM EST
    We are talking about McCain. He auctioned off his integrity when he embraced Bush after South Carolina.

    I am not on Dr. Paul's bandwagon. He has made one right call- Iraq.  Just about all of his remaining views are wrong for America.

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    OK, you win ... (none / 0) (#8)
    by robrecht on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 12:25:25 PM EST
    Do you have any interest in the Republican ticket ... I mean any interest other than whichever ticket you feel would be the easiest to beat?

    Hard to imagine, but the Democrats could lose in 2008.  What then, move to Canada?  Are there any smilies on this site to show I'm saying this somewhat in jest.

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    If you are asking who is the least objectionable (none / 0) (#15)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 01:18:19 PM EST
    That would be a tough question. I don't play which ticket would be easiest to beat. I am no good at it.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#16)
    by robrecht on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 01:22:03 PM EST
    Yes, it's a very tough question but I gave it my best shot anyway.  Still sad about Hegel; I wrote him a thank-you email yesterday.

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    When will dem's endorse a canidate (none / 0) (#3)
    by disgusted on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 11:35:32 AM EST
    Probably never myself I am abandoning the party theyn are LOSERS and like a Backbone. If I might point out bidens comments and jumping on the band wagon for funding.

    Do these IDIOTS in the dem party think I am so STUPID that my government would leave our troops stranded, it would be political suicide and death to any member in  Congress that did so.

    So with that said I say CANCEL all FUNDING to the war for OIL till this SCUMBAG  in the WH. gives us a time line and ONLY the funds that are necessary for the troops and of discussion.

    Besides these COWARDS in Congress should be REVOLKING the WAR act as there is NO WAR. Just high profit margins for corporations.

    Abandoning the party ... (none / 0) (#9)
    by Meteor Blades on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 12:30:58 PM EST
    ...and doing what exactly to further the goals you demand from Mister Bush?

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    I doubt anyone cares very much who (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 12:33:02 PM EST
    bloggers endorse.  For example, I'm more interested in why BTD lauds Dodd than whether he endores him, and I don't see the Pres. candidates listing which bloggers have endorsed them.  

    Delay (none / 0) (#17)
    by koshembos on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 03:01:01 PM EST
    A delay in endorsement of a Dem candidate is justified only for very few reasons.

    • You didn't decide yourself yet
    • Yours is a group blog and you want to reach a consensus.

    Labor unions, for instance, tend to delay endorsement because, eventually they will have to work with the president; they don't want to on record opposing her/him.

    Early endorsement, however, helps the candidate, if only marginally, who can use you support.

    I am for Edwards, mainly, because the twins, Hillary and Barrack, are way too centrist for me.

    I've decided. (none / 0) (#18)
    by Dulcinea on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 04:33:39 PM EST
    Many years ago.

    Enigmatic. (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 05:20:15 PM EST
    Order should be Edwards, Obama, Hillary (none / 0) (#22)
    by NMvoiceofreason on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 12:52:51 AM EST
     Bad premise (none / 0) (#8)
    by NMvoiceofreason on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 10:10:25 AM EST
    Using any national poll to talk about who is ahead is like asking the disqualified jurors (after voir dire) what the jury's decision will be and then proclaiming it as "Jury decides..."

    90% of America will never get to vote on these people until they have already selected "the candidate".

    Ask the people on the panel - the jurors. Stick to Iowa and New Hampshire. By the time South Carolina or the rest of the nation votes, it will all be over.

    Will Hillary or Obama be left standing? (See? I used them in the same breath).

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    Latest Strategic Vision poll - Hillary LOSING (none / 0) (#9)
    by NMvoiceofreason on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 10:19:32 AM EST
    Democratic Polls

    Strategic Vision
    8/18/2007
    N=600
    John Edwards     23%
    Barack Obama     22%
    Hillary Clinton     21%
    Bill Richardson     14%
    Joe Biden     5%
    Chris Dodd     1%
    Dennis Kucinich     1%
    Unsure     13%

    http://www.presidentpolls2008.com/


    Have to disagree, politely (none / 0) (#23)
    by NMvoiceofreason on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 01:05:56 AM EST
    "All three will appoint judges and an Attorney General we can count on not to eviscerate our constitutional rights and to uphold the rule of law."

    Actually, NONE of them will do that. Those rights are gone forever. Look at the example of how well our democratic congress has restored habeas. Haven't even brought it up for a vote.

    Power is much more popular with these folks than empowering anyone else. The Constitution passed to us with the blood of our forefather's lives has been shredded and will never return. Even if it did, the Supreme Court of the Republican Party (SCOTRP) would never enforce it. You wouldn't have any standing to enforce such historical prerogatives. Balancing tests would take away the broad scope, narrow it to the same as today, where corporations have First Amendment rights that the people do not share. Homes can be confiscated if it is good for the corporation. Government of the corporation, by the corporation, for the corporation, shall not perish from this earth.

    Besides, you can't even get a AUSA to sign a warrant for multiple felonies if it doesn't pass the aparatchik. And they'll get demoted or forced out if they do.

    Worse comes to worse, they will use "national security evidence", which you cannot contest, because only the government can file motions in the only court of competent jurisdiction (the FISC).

    The legal fiction you have offered does not exist anymore.

    I believe (4.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 01:17:58 AM EST
    that with up to four U.S. Supreme Court Justices retiring before January, 2009, the Democrats have a chance to reshape the Supreme Court. I have hope that any one of the candidates, if elected President, will restore our court to its former lustre.

    I'm far less optimistic about Attorney Generals. As I've said many times, they are all prosecutors, they all work every day to put people in jail. But a Democratic appointed AG has to be better than his or her Repbulican counterpart.

    We've been behind the 8 ball since 1994 and Newt Gingrich's Contract on America. This is our first chance to get out from under it. Give the Dems a chance. Their inability to move in a still strongly Republican Congress with a Republican President is not all their fault. They don't hold enough cards yet.

    Help us fight for a Democratic Congress and President in 2008, and if we get them, see what changes are made. If we get fooled again, I'll be with you next time, I promise.

    There are no Democrats with a chance of being elected that share my views on criminal justice issues. There's no one banging the door yelling they will repeal mandatory minimums, end the drug war, put a moratorium on the death penalty, protect our privacy rights, etc. But they will promise to close Guantanamo, stop spying without a court order and appoint non-activis,t non-right wing judges.  Sometimes you have to start small.

    Anything is better than another four years of Republican terrorism.

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    Every election since 1972 (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by aahpat on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 09:17:15 AM EST
    I have heard this from liberal Democrats like yourself:

    "Help us fight for a Democratic Congress and President in 2008, and if we get them, see what changes are made. If we get fooled again, I'll be with you next time, I promise."

    After the elections the exact same thing happens. Our values get ignored. Or worse yet declared radical and supportive of a Party arguement to use the Jim Crow drug war and constriction of social programs as a way to neutralize left/liberal/progressive social values.

    No. I stopped supporting Democrats based on hope. To many have taught me that it is simply a false hope. They cannot sell their lies.

    I will only support candidates who agree with the following resolution by the largest group of drug war front line elected officials in America, the U.S. Conference of Mayors. These are the elected executives who have to mop up the blood in our streets and rebuild the lives destroyed by the Jim Crow drug war.

    After enumerating a plethora of social ills attributed to the prohibition based drug war economy the mayors concluded:

    "NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the United States Conference of Mayors believes the war on drugs has failed..." U.S. mayors call for end to drug war

    Democrat candidates who do not acknowledge the truth of this resolution turn their backs on politicians who represent the interests of a vast majority of urban America. That should be a massive potential voting block. But Democrat candidates ignore it because they know that the Jim Crow drug war has subverted the voting power of urban America.

    So, speaking as an urban American I will support any candidate, regardless of party or winning potential, who agrees with the elected executives who represent my interests. At this point that does not appear to include any of the leading Democrats or Republicans.

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    Rather than vote my hopes (4.00 / 1) (#28)
    by aahpat on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 09:31:09 AM EST
    I vote my values. That way when I am betrayed after the election I have more valid reason to get angry rather than simply slinking away depressed at having my hopes once again dashed.

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    "Fool me once, shame on you ... (none / 0) (#26)
    by Andreas on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 01:45:02 AM EST
    ... fool me twice, shame on me."

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    The problem is (none / 0) (#30)
    by NMvoiceofreason on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 12:54:55 AM EST
    .. the four you mention are our sides four. You know, the minority. Those on the 5-4 side. Also known as losers. If a Republican wins, there will never be anything other than SCOTRP in my lifetime.

    Yes, Janet Reno was SUCH a great AG (SNARK!)

    I gave the Dems a chance. "Elect us and we will stop the war". BS. LeaderSheep are nothing more than Republican Lite.

    I fought for Clinton in 1992. Begala, Carville - men of principle, men who accomplished great things. Only presidency without a deficit in my lifetime (I'm a fiscal conservative with a social conscience).

    There are never going to be any candidates with our views on criminal justice. I don't see us getting rights to a speedy trial (5 years in custody, no trial?), right to counsel, or right to not be tortured anytime this century (national security - they can just do it in the dark).

    "An honest politician is one who stays bought." said our former Governor Bruce King (probably quoting Will Rogers quoting Simon Cameron). The Democrats have done NOTHING to end the war.

    To repeal the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243) and to require the withdrawal of United States Armed Forces from Iraq.

    IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

    January 11, 2007

    Mr. FARR introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs, and in addition to the Committee on Armed Services, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned

    A BILL

    To repeal the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243) and to require the withdrawal of United States Armed Forces from Iraq.

          Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

    SECTION 1. REPEAL OF PUBLIC LAW 107-243.

          The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note) is hereby repealed.

    SEC. 2. WITHDRAWAL OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES FROM IRAQ.

          The President of the United States shall provide for the withdrawal of units and members of the United States Armed Forces deployed in Iraq as part of Operation Iraqi Freedom in a safe and orderly manner.

    Has sat in cmmte. all year.

    Sometimes, small stuff is just slop they throw to the pigs.

    Do the job. Then ask to be kept on.

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    "enthusiastic support" (none / 0) (#25)
    by Andreas on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 01:38:46 AM EST
    Jeralyn wrote:

    There is more than one that most of us could enthusiastically support.

    An interesting statement. I am not aware of a Democratic candidate which I could or would support. All of them in one way or another support the war.

    Quaker position (none / 0) (#31)
    by NMvoiceofreason on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 01:01:15 AM EST
    Who would Jesus kill in Iraq?

    Did you miss the Abraham/Isaac object lesson? Don't kill anyone, even if you think I AM telling you to do so?

    If we shouldn't kill for God, why should we kill for Bush?

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