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Pelosi's Pathetic Doubletalk On Iraq

In an interview with Wolf Blitzer this morning, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi demonstrated she has no intention of doing anything to end the war in Iraq:

BLITZER: Let's talk about the war in Iraq. When you became speaker, you said, "Bringing the war to an end is my highest priority as speaker."

REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA), SPEAKER: It is.

. . . BLITZER: The war, if anything, is not only continuing, but it's expanding. There's more troops now in Iraq than there were when you became the speaker. What are you going to do about that?

PELOSI: Well, we did, when we took office, we took the majority here. We changed the debate on the war. We put a bill on the president's desk that said that we wanted the redeployment of troops out of Iraq to begin in a timely fashion and to end within a year. The president vetoed that bill.

He got quite a response to that veto, and the Republicans in the Senate then decided he was never going to get a bill on his desk again. So we have a barrier and it's important for the American people to know that while I can bring a bill to the floor in the House, it cannot be brought up in the Senate unless there's a 60 vote, now 60 votes.

He got quite a response? What the heck is Pelosi talking about? He got, FROM HER, a bill with no timetables! Who does Speaker Pelosi think she is fooling? Blitzer is not fooled:

BLITZER: But you could in the House of Representatives use your power of the purse, the money, to stop funding the war if you really wanted to. PELOSI: I wish the speaker had all the power you just describe. I certainly could do that. That doesn't bar the minority from bringing up a funding resolution. They have their parliamentary prerogative as well.

So Madame Speaker, why not MAKE THEM USE IT! Force them to forward a motion to recommit. Then you can truthfully say Iraq is a Republican War.

BLITZER: You know your base is really frustrated. Really angry...

PELOSI: I'm frustrated myself.

BLITZER: ... that this war continues. And they say you should be doing more, and that's reflected in what former Senator John Edwards, the Democratic presidential candidate, repeatedly says.

He says this. He says, "Congress must stand up to President Bush and pass a funding bill with a timetable for withdrawal. If the president vetoes that bill, Congress must send it back again and again, as many times as it takes for the president to finally get the message that he can't defy the American people."

Why didn't you do that?

PELOSI: I completely concur. But I just said to you we did that, we sent it to the president, he vetoed it. Any further attempts to do that have been met by the 60-vote barrier in the United States Senate.

Now, I'll be the last person to give you a civics lesson about what that means. But what it does mean is that the Republicans in the Senate have now taken ownership of the war in Iraq. It was President Bush's war. And now it is the Republicans' in Congress war.

Madame Speaker, you can say that over and over again but that does not make it true. It is NOT true when a Democratic Congress chooses to continue to fund the war. It is YOUR war too now.

Blitzer asks the right question:

BLITZER: So, are you telling your angry base out there in the Democratic Party that wants to see this war over with, wants to see the U.S. troops home, that you, as speaker, there's nothing you can do, you have to just throw your hands up and say...

PELOSI: No. I didn't say that at all.

BLITZER: ... given the legislative problems in the Senate and the president's stubborn refusal to back down, that there's nothing that you can do?

PELOSI: How could you have ever gotten that impression?

BLITZER: All right, well, tell us...

PELOSI: What I have said, for those who pay attention, is that we will hold this administration accountable time and time again for the conduct of this war in Iraq. I have to discuss how we went in on a false premise. That's well-known to the American people. What we do have to do is to show them every step of the way how the president is taking us farther down a path in which it is going to be harder to redeploy out of Iraq, and so whether it is...

Holding him accountable while you FUND the Debacle? Puhleeeaze. Blitzer nails Pelosi:

BLITZER: But holding the president accountable, I just want you to explain, what does that mean? Besides just complaining and holding hearings? Specifically, is there anything else you can do?

PELOSI: Well, holding hearings and the oversight that we have on the corruption in contracting in Iraq, the hearings that we're holding and the harm to the readiness of our troops that the president is causing with his obstinance in this war in Iraq.

The retired generals tell us about if we want to talk about stability in the region -- and that's what we're talking abut here. How do we bring -- how do we have a vision of stability in the region?

Democrats are saying our vision for stability in the region begins with the redeployment of troops out of Iraq, and the generals say you cannot have stability in the region until you deploy the troops out of Iraq.

And the generals say you cannot have stability in the region until you redeploy the troops out of Iraq.

So what we're saying is now, with what happened in the past two weeks with General Petraeus' presentation and what happened on the Webb resolution in the Senate, that the Republicans are committed to a 10-year war in Iraq with the highest level of troop presence there, with permanent bases.

The Democrats are proposing a redeployment out of Iraq, a greatly diminished mission there, out of the civil war, protect our diplomats and protect our troops who are there, fight the Al Qaida.

And if we have to train the troops -- if we have to continue to train the Iraqi security forces, we can do -- it doesn't have to be in country and it doesn't have to be all-American. That can be done out of country.

So we're talking about a greatly diminished force there and a redeployment that's safe and responsible within the next year. The president is talking about 10 years and then after that, a Korea-like presence in perpetuity. That's the choice.

Blah, blah blah blah, blsh. She could have just answered "yes," all Dems in Congress are going to do is talk. Pathetic performance by Pelosi.

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    Nice work, Wolf.... (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Edger on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 09:05:26 PM EST
    She paid for it. She bought. She owns it.

    It's hers. And the rest of the Democratic Leadership and Presidential frontrunners'.

    They paid for it in May 2007. They paid for it again last Thursday.

    And they'll pay for it again in November 2008.

    Unless... Unless she and they soon Understand This.

    The trouble is (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Edger on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 09:13:33 PM EST
    the rest of the country will pay next year too. Unless enough people quit buying...
    ...if leading Democrats heard enough people say to them that they will not vote for ANY Democrats next year EXCEPT Democrats who have been vocally, and by their votes on supplementals, calling for total withdrawal from Iraq they would quickly notice.

    They are politicians after all, and they are concerned with winning elections.

    They would notice if enough people turned the tables on them and used fear to motivate them, instead of voting simply out of fear of republicans.

    If Democrats were filled with fear that they would lose Congress and the presidency UNLESS the occupation was ended before the 2008 elections, they would end the occupation of Iraq.



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    Primary challenge? (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Demi Moaned on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 09:52:41 PM EST
    I'd love to see it. I also think a serious challenge is unlikely. The SF Democratic machine does not tolerate dissent too well.

    Feinstein's another one. I wish she had been challenged last year.

    Blame it on the voters? (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Edger on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 10:13:29 PM EST
    PELOSI:
    What I have said, for those who pay attention...
    For those who pay attention?

    For those who pay attention?

    They paid attention, Nancy. For the past few years.

    And last year they told you what to do.

    When they hired you to do it.

    They told you what to do. For those who pay attention.

    Just a little bit of arrogance slipped out (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Edger on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 10:21:54 PM EST
    Her coaches are probably tearing strips off her by now for letting it happen.

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    The Wolf wasn't playing nice though (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 10:52:42 AM EST
    He kept asking hard questions.  He kept needing clarifications damn it!  If he would just LISTEN TO WHAT SHE IS SAYING!  I thought she was going to send him to time out like every good grandmother does......like I'm planning to do soon to my overly questioning bad little grandchildren!  First though I guess I'm going to have to take care of bad little Nancy.  Lying is bad and lying by omission is still lying in Tracy's house.

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    What is she? (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Edger on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 10:59:42 AM EST
    A decorum queen? A troll?

    She wants sympathy, and wants Wolf to feel sorry for her, and cut her lies some slack?

    Sympathy is in the dictionary. Before suicide.

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    She's getting nearly as disgusting (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by Edger on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 10:43:47 PM EST
    to watch and listen to as Bush and the Republicans are.

    Maybe more so...

    The Republicans didn't run last year on ending the occupation.

    Strategy (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Al on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 01:23:09 AM EST
    There must be some reason why the Democrats in Congress are behaving in this cowardly manner. Maybe they don't want to be accused of "losing" Iraq. Maybe they don't want to seem like they're not supporting the troops. Maybe they just want to see Bush stew in the misery of his own failure. Maybe they figure their base is solid, because they're never going to vote Republican. Maybe ... maybe they're just opportunistic, calculating cowards.

    Some time ago when people were talking about impeaching Bush and Cheney, we were told that it would take time and energy away from the real goal, which was to bring the troops back from Iraq.

    Well?

    Time to switch from donkey to weasel? (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by kovie on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 02:07:43 AM EST
    Totally pathetic. So "tough" in the minority, so useless in the "majority".

    They do not want to end it. (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by Edger on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 03:54:56 AM EST


    What are we spending a day? (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by tnthorpe on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 10:30:19 AM EST
    $720 million on our ongoing occupations according to the American Friends Service Committee.

    The $720 million figure breaks down into $280 million a day from Iraq war supplementary funding bills passed by Congress, plus $440 million daily in incurred, but unpaid, long-term costs.

    talk about taxing America's future.

    I'm sure going on talk shows and calling it Bush's war makes it all better.

    Since we don't as a rule us profanity here n/t (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 10:47:35 AM EST


    She is obviously (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Edger on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 04:15:11 PM EST
    way out of her league. She might think she's a player.

    It's more like "played".

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    poll numbers (1.00 / 1) (#21)
    by diogenes on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 10:09:05 PM EST
    Is it any wonder that the poll ratings of the Democratic Congress are as low as Bush's?

    ::Way:: past time for a major (none / 0) (#22)
    by Edger on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 10:16:14 PM EST
    upgrade, diog...

    I mean, really.

    3% of Americans approve of how Congress is handling the war in Iraq; 24% say the same for the President
    (no link, you can google it)

    You don't visit this part of the galaxy that often, I take it?


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    do your Molly Bloom thang (none / 0) (#9)
    by Miss Devore on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 11:31:35 PM EST
    " Talk Left  (0.00 / 0)

    The FP of Talk Left will get as much attention as a diary in Huff Po or TPM cafe.

    The problem is the big blogs will not hammer it.

    As I said, DKos is a nonstarter for me.

    by: Armando @ Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 22:03:49 PM CDT
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    If Markos asks you will you say yes? (0.00 / 0)

    by: timber @ Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 23:26:22 PM CDT"

    and he said yes yes yes...

    I actually think people will pay more attention to  TPM.He's enacted a sort of discipline, where people do more than bloviate.He's paying for his sins for supporting the Iraqle.

    Let'a pretend (none / 0) (#10)
    by koshembos on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 11:56:53 PM EST
    Pelosi cannot stop the war in Iraq. The endless talk about stopping the war with about 25 senators who will do it and 75 senators who will oppose an end to the war is a nice pretend game. Unless we are still in kindergarten or suffer from a Bush delusion, it's not in the cards.

    Attacking Pelosi is friendly fire.

    great idea (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Miss Devore on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 12:19:06 AM EST
    let's just accept we have to continue a criminal pre-emptive war, whereby we are visiting unimaginable suffering upon people. let's just say it's an out-of-control frat party. ok, mebbe a million dead, another 2M displaced, an entire country trashed.

    and you worry about Pelosi being fragged?

    You don't seem to get the arrogance.

    the Senate supported partitioning Iraq.

    you go and sit on some other country telling you what your bidness should be.

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    At the VERY least (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by kovie on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 02:06:03 AM EST
    she and nearly all the other Dems can stop using weasel words to try to full the public on their "inability" to end the war. They either change the subject and pretend that this isn't an option, lie about it and try to make it sound like it can't work, or give some lame excuse about how they want to "support the troops".

    What they WON'T do is admit that one, they're too scared of the inevitable "stabbed in the back" political blowback that will come from the GOP if they defund the war, two, they believe that allowing the war to continue will help them politically in '08, three, many of them actually believe in the war and want it to go on, having bought into the nonsense about the "surge" and how awful things will be if we leave (or, alternately, love those fat defense contracts that go to their districts), and four, more than a few of them just don't care.

    Liars, weasels, cowards and warmongers all. Well, not all--there are a decent number of Dems who are right on this issue. But MOST of them.

    Oh, to have them all drink truth serum just one of these Sundays...

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