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Racial Profiling in Irving?

It is not ordinarily a crime to be in the United States without proper authorization. Police therefore have no right to detain individuals and command them to "show me your papers" when those individuals aren't reasonably suspected of criminal activity. Immigration advocates believe that's exactly what's happening in Irving, Texas.

Father Pedro Portillo, of Santa Maria de Guadalupe Church in Irving, said he's talked to several people who say they were approached by officers without cause and asked for immigration documents.

The suspicion is that Irving police officers are engaging in "racial profiling and overzealously arresting suspected illegal immigrants so they can be deported, a claim the Mexican Consulate takes so seriously it's advising people to avoid driving through this Dallas suburb."

Mexican Consulate staff in Dallas attempt to interview Mexicans being deported, and say that over the past few weeks it appears a disproportionate number have been from Irving. The consulate covers a huge area, from East Texas all the way to the Texas Panhandle, and Hubbard Urrea said about half those interviewed were from Irving, a Dallas suburb of 206,000.

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    I trust the Mexican consulate... (5.00 / 0) (#10)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:18:09 PM EST
    about as far as I can throw it.  That being said, the claims should be investigated because it's a serious allegation.  

    I don't want to live in a country where the police can stop you for no legit reason and ask for papers....that's not the America I know and love.  I really hope the allegations are false...but it's not that far-fetched in the current climate.

    "racial profiling" (none / 0) (#1)
    by diogenes on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 09:27:21 PM EST
    Is the position of the author that it is OK for police to report arrests of suspected criminals to the INS but not arrest people without suspicion of crime?  Or is this story just another one designed to tear down the legitimacy of immigration laws in any way possible?

    well, um..................yeah (none / 0) (#3)
    by cpinva on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:51:35 AM EST
    Is the position of the author that it is OK for police to report arrests of suspected criminals to the INS but not arrest people without suspicion of crime?

    last time i checked, that's what our consitution provides for: probable cause before being detained or arrested.

    since the enforcement of immigration laws is a federal responsibility, the local police have no authority to stop anyone, solely on the suspicion that they might be illegal aliens. sorry guys, but that's what the law says.

    now, if the mexican consulate had any real smarts, they would urge every mexican in the free world to drive through irving, not the opposite. if the local police are spending all their time chasing down suspected illegals, they'll have no time to deal with other criminal events: robberies, breakins, etc.

    something tells me that, in very short order, they'll only be doing what they're supposed to doing again, as the good citizens of irving threaten to hang the chief, and not in effigy.

    could be entertaining too.

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    Heh heh (1.00 / 0) (#6)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 08:16:16 AM EST
    The suspicion is that Irving police officers are engaging in "racial profiling and overzealously arresting suspected illegal immigrants

    Shall we note the rather strong qualifier to the claim?

    Why are you and Molly B attacking the police with without probable cause????

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    Probable Cause is pre 9-11 thinking (none / 0) (#5)
    by Molly Bloom on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 07:24:47 AM EST
    Now, let's think (none / 0) (#2)
    by LonewackoDotCom on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 10:06:52 PM EST
    The Catholic Church has already damaged itself due to the other scandals, but they're making things even worse due to their explicit support for law-breaking. Unfortunately, I don't trust the quoted priest, and I'm sure many others who are familiar with this issue won't either.

    He might be lying about the stories, those who told him stories might be lying, and he doesn't mention the high probability that those who told him those stories were confused for one reason or another. For instance, a few years ago L.A.'s mayor - former leader of an extremist group - spoke out against raids he claimed were happening in L.A. county. Only problem: no raids were happening, they were only taking place 100 miles south.

    If you want to do something about this, let your religious leaders know that unless they support our laws you're going to publicly discredit them.

    still waiting for the "thinking" part (5.00 / 0) (#4)
    by Dadler on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:03:35 AM EST
    Waiting, and waiting, and waiting.

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    I think most (1.00 / 0) (#7)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 08:17:57 AM EST
    people got the point.

    I think you also got the point.

    I think you don't want illegals deported.

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    You talking about the Catholic Church.... (5.00 / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:25:12 PM EST
    that worships Jesus as god's only son?

    I think Jesus was a lawbreaker if I'm not mistaken, so it makes sense for the church to stick up for lawbreakers. No?

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    It is interesting (none / 0) (#8)
    by Deconstructionist on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 08:44:49 AM EST
      that people who just yesterday were denying the existence of voter fraud in the United States based on a supposed lack of proof (but really because it fits their agenda) leap immediately to embrace allegations of police misconduct in a situation  where there is far less "proof" provided.

      First we must understand the allegation. To be valid it must be that the police in Irving are arresting people of Latin heritage without probable cause they have violated the law. That would indeed be wrong. However, simply reporting the arrests of peole of Latin heritage who are legally arrested and then unable to document that they are legally in this country is a different matter entirely. That's simply following the law which is what police are supposed to do.

      Why would Irving have a higher proportion of cases referred to ICE and resulting in deportation  than other jurisdictions? One possible explanation is that they are targeting people of Latin heritage for wrongful arrests. Of course, other explanations exist such as the possibility that Irving has a higher proportion of people unlawfully in the country than other jurisdictions (Not unlikely as it is centrally located in a large metropolitan area with lots of jobs) or that the Irving police are more thorough in following the law other departments. (Likely and while some may object to that it is certainly lawful) or Irving could simply have more crime than most other jurisdictions -- or it could be a combination of any of the factors in this paragraph.

       In the absence of a single documented case of anyone being arrested unlawfully and relying only on the assertion of political activists making hearsay claims it seems odd to assume these allegations are true when one just yesterday was ready to credit the assertion that voter fraud is virtually nonexistent in the United States.

      I don't know whether the allegations are true or not because there is no information provided from which one could draw any conclusion whatsoever. I would suspect though that if this was occurring with any frequency we would have numerous people of Latin heritage who are in this country legally available to tell how they were arrested without probable cause and then the initial charges were dismissed when that was learned.

    Democrites. (none / 0) (#9)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:04:44 PM EST
      In the absence of a single documented case of anyone being arrested unlawfully and relying only on the assertion of political activists making hearsay claims it seems odd to assume these allegations are true when one just yesterday was ready to credit the assertion that voter fraud is virtually nonexistent in the United States.


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    Yes the claims should be investigated (none / 0) (#12)
    by Deconstructionist on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:37:38 PM EST
      I was just pointing out how some people here establish diametrically opposed standards of proof depending on solely on political calculus.

      With both  cops in Texas and open borders advocates it's hard to find much basis for trust and I have little trouble believing that people who look Latino are more frequently stopped for trivial offenses than are white looking folks. It happens every day to people who have darker skin -- or just look younger and more like troublemakers just about every place.

     

    We're all guilty of our prejudices.... (5.00 / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 03:34:30 PM EST
    Sun god knows I've got 'em in spades.  Workin' on it though.  

    You, otoh, seem to be totally lacking in prejudice.  Don't you have any bro?

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    I've got many (none / 0) (#15)
    by Deconstructionist on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 06:53:49 AM EST
      but I  acknowledge them, both in terms of trying to let others understand my premises and in reminding myself that my prejudices may be influencing my thinking. I don't allow my prejudices to be a substitute for thinking.

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    Irving is in the ICE Criminal Alien Program (none / 0) (#14)
    by B on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 08:11:47 PM EST
    I live in a town that abuts Irving.  Irving participates in the Immigration and Custom Enforcement Criminal Alien Program that turns convicts over to ICE rather than releasing them to the community when they complete their sentences.  So far the Irving City Council has failed to approve participation in the 287(g) program that cross-designates local officers to enforce immigration laws.  There are a lot of Hispanics, both legal and illegal, in Irving.

    Other jurisdictions here don't cooperate with ICE to the extent Irving does.  My car was rear-ended in Dallas by a Mexican thug with no driver's license and no authorization to be in the US.  The Dallas PD officer declined to even call Immigration much less hold the Mexican, who was free to go after receiving a misdemeanor citation for no driver's license.  Getting reimbursed for the repairs to my car was quite a hassle.  Immigration's automated phone system gave me no option to speak to a human, and I never received the call back that I requested.