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It's a court day for me and an open thread day for you. I'll be back tonight.

Law Prof Doug Berman at Sentencing Law and Policy says there's lots of good stuff up at:

For news, check out the easy-on-your-eyes Hinesight Report and Prison Legal News.

Avedon Carol as Sideshow has her always excellent blog-roundup.

In the politics department, the New York Times reports on how much money John Edwards receives from lawyers. Lawyers have always been his biggest group of contributors, but Hillary and Obama are catching up. There's a chart showing how much each has received from lawyers and showing all sources for John Edwards (but not the others') contributions.

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    Great editorial in (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by dutchfox on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 11:26:01 AM EST
    The Nation.
    This is what's missing from the Democrats' "new" populism--the big ideas for fundamental change, the hardheaded analysis that confronts national decline in all its ugly manifestations. We know some Democrats yearn to begin this kind of broad-gauged assault on the status quo, and the new concern in party circles about income and wealth inequality is encouraging. But the party, and most presidential candidates, are still too shy on the big questions. Where is the party's comprehensive critique of taxation--not just the wildly reactionary rate structure but the corrupted federal tax code, which allows the wealthiest players to decide for themselves how much tax they will pay (see David Cay Johnston's devastating reports in the New York Times and Perfectly Legal, his shocking book)? What do Democratic candidates have to say about how to redeem government as a trustworthy agent for the general welfare and an equitable society? The government's loss of integrity and effectiveness is growing, and citizens know the degradation did not originate with George W. Bush. To restore reliable government, a reforming party will have to cut corporate power down to a size society can tolerate.

    If our nation is at a great turning point, an opening for momentous reforms, a party that seeks to win the governing majority cannot duck on any of these matters. We understand the hesitations; we are familiar with the obstacles. But to put it plainly, you cannot run on "populist" politics and count on robber barons to finance your campaigns. It might fool people for a season or two, but when nothing changes, they will punish the culprits.



    Yangtze River dolphin... (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by desertswine on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 03:18:15 PM EST
    declared extinct.  And it ain't coming back.

    Western scientists argued for 20 years with the Chinese government about what was the best way to save the dolphin, such as moving them all to sanctuaries. Well, now they don't have to argue anymore.

    I'm with you dswine. (none / 0) (#13)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 03:26:47 PM EST
    Sunday February 24, 2002
    The Observer

    A horrific trade in apes and monkeys being sold as meat in Britain is threatening chimpanzees and gorillas with extinction, an Observer investigation reveals.

    The growing international trade in 'bushmeat' means the flesh of endangered animals is increasingly available from markets and shops in London and elsewhere in the country.

    Scientists warn that the bushmeat trade has become so large that much of the wildlife in the forests of Central and West Africa is threatened with extinction within decades. One species of monkey - the Miss Waldron Red Colobus - was eaten to extinction last year



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    There are bushmeat markets... (none / 0) (#14)
    by desertswine on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 04:52:03 PM EST
    all over the world, including New York, Chicago, and other large American cities.

    The bushmeat trade is certainly one of the worst contributing factors to the decline of many birds and mammals, especially primates.

    Funny, I mean odd, I was just reading an article about wild turtles from Texas winding up on Asian dinner plates. In Texas, for a $50 permit fee, you can take as many as you want.

    "Data from the USFWS obtained under a FOIA request showed more than 267,000 wild turtles were exported to Hong Kong from Dallas from 2002 to 2005."

    They are taking them so fast that scientists can't study them. This is kind of our own bushmeat trade.

    I don't know, but killing and eating a gorilla or a chimp seems really disturbing to me. It's cultural I guess.

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    Yep...its cultural. (none / 0) (#15)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 05:08:20 PM EST
    Imagine how Hindus feel watching people eat their sacred cows.

    I admire the beauty of chimps and gorillas as much as the next guy, and if they were being killed for sport I'd be apalled, but killing an animal for food is perfectly natural in my book.

    Humans are omnivores...it's what we've always done.  I'd be saddened if the animals were hunted into extinction, but it's no sin as long as the meat gets eaten.

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    Wow. imo.. (none / 0) (#17)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 05:12:34 PM EST
    Humans are omnivores...it's what we've always done.  I'd be saddened if the animals were hunted into extinction, but it's no sin as long as the meat gets eaten by humans who had no other option.
    or something like that...

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    To be clear (none / 0) (#18)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 05:29:35 PM EST
    Humans are omnivores...it's what we've always done.  I'd be saddened if the animals were hunted into extinction, but if an amimal is hunted into extinction it's no sin as long as the meat gets eaten by humans who had no other option.
    Your post is a little unclear...

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    I don't think that... (none / 0) (#19)
    by desertswine on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 05:39:36 PM EST
    cows are endangered.

    I also have nothing against killing an animal for food. I am a meat-eater.

    But the bushmeat trade, which was the subject, is unsustainable, and rapidly eroding already endangered populations of rare animals.

    People have always hunted wild animals for their flesh. What's changed, according to wildlife biologist Elizabeth Bennett of the Wildlife Conservation Society in New York City, is that so many hunters now stalk the tropical forests of the world that animal populations there are dwindling dramatically. In some cases, whole species are at risk.


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    I hear ya.... (none / 0) (#26)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 06:26:24 AM EST
    Though cows and pigs would probably be near extinction if they weren't bred specifically for slaughter. I'd rather see the bushmeat trade start breeding these animals and leave the ones in the jungle alone...but I think the animal rights crowd would have a stroke.

    To try and clarify my feeling...on the scale of crimes against nature committed by humans, this is way down the list for me, seeing as the meat is getting eaten.  What the early American settlers did to the buffalo was far worse...oftentimes the buffalo were slaughtered for sport and the meat was left to rot...now thats a sin.

    And I guess I find it hard to judge since I eat all kinds of land and sea creatures.  We like cow and pig, Koreans like dog, and certain African cultures like bushmeat...isn't it a question of taste?

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    Isn't it a question of taste? (none / 0) (#33)
    by desertswine on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 10:31:04 AM EST
    Yes...

    And that's OK.

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    kdog (none / 0) (#38)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 04:04:50 PM EST
    Still sounds a little mushy to me, is it your position that it's OK for humans to hunt a species to extinction as long as they eat the meat?

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    How Bout This (none / 0) (#39)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 05:15:38 PM EST
    The Moas were a very large flightless bird indigenous to New Zealand. They were delicious and very easy to kill. The Moriori who lived in New Zealand before the M?ori got there regularly feasted on them. The M?ori, who are considered the New Zealand indigenous people, had heard about this delicious bird that you could easily kill by just walking up to it and hitting it on the head. Having scant food due to overhunting on their own lands they decided to settle in New Zealand.

    When the M?ori got there they discovered that the Moriori had already eaten the Moas into extinction. Dissapointed the M?ori people simply ate the Moriori into extinction.

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    M?ori= Maori (none / 0) (#40)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 05:16:36 PM EST
    I'm not sure what your point is... (none / 0) (#41)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 05:21:18 PM EST
    Point? (none / 0) (#42)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 05:23:20 PM EST
    No point. Just an interesting story about human nature.

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    Gotcha. (none / 0) (#44)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 05:45:33 PM EST
    Punchline (none / 0) (#47)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 09:04:06 PM EST
    The Moas got eatten by the Morioris, and the Moriores got eaten by the Maoris who came to eat the Moas.

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    Shadow Army In Iraq (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 07:12:54 PM EST
    Buddha [a military contractor, ex Delta Force] is not optimistic about the war his Army friends are fighting. "I've never seen a war of occupation that worked," he says. "This is an unconventional war being fought by a conventional army." And like other contractors, he says the war depends on the likes of him: "Without us, they could crunch numbers and lie to the public all day, but they wouldn't be able to do it."

    link

    via war & piece

    Wednesday 08 August 2007 (none / 0) (#32)
    by Edger on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 09:21:35 AM EST
    Labor Dept.: 1,001 Contractors Have Died in Iraq
    The Houston Chronicle
    Washington - More than 1,000 civilian contractors have been killed in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion more than four years ago, according to Labor Department records made available Tuesday.
    ...
    Besides those killed, 4,837 workers in Iraq and 879 in Afghanistan suffered injuries severe enough to miss at least four days of work, the Labor Department said.


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    Yesterday, Thursday 09 August 2007 (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Edger on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 08:51:45 AM EST
    Remember that date.

    Mark that date on your calendar...

    It's happened

    The newest addition to the right hand column at Lotus, added a week or two ago, is the running total of "Iraqi Deaths Due to U.S. Invasion" provided by Just Foreign Policy. As a base, the counter total used last year's study published in The Lancet that said there had been about 650,000 "excess deaths" in Iraq as a result of invasion, of which 601,000 were due to violence. It then uses the Iraq Body Count's tabulation of civilian deaths to estimate the rate at which those excess deaths by violence are increasing and updates the number displayed accordingly. The entire methodology is explained in more detail here.

    Just a little while ago, sometime this afternoon, it ticked over to 1,000,985.


    2 Videos (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Edger on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 10:48:35 AM EST
    NYC Terror Alert (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by squeaky on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 10:25:17 AM EST
    The threat was picked up by DEBKAfile's monitors from a rush of electronic chatter on al Qaeda sites Thursday, Aug. 8.
    The al Qaeda communications accuse the Americans of the grave error of failing to take seriously the videotape released by the American al Qaeda spokesman Adam Gaddahn last week. "They will soon realize their mistake when American cities are hit by quality operations," said one message.
    Another said the attacks would be carried out "by means of trucks loaded with radio-active material against America's biggest city and financial nerve center."

    Debka File

    Yes, my street is closed off and there are police everywhere since last night. There are check points.

    Once Again (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by squeaky on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 10:39:10 AM EST
    It seems that Bush and al-Qaida are allies. A few more of these "warnings" by al-Qaida and we will have martial law here.

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    The (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Edger on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 10:42:25 AM EST
    Myth of the Dirty Bomb
    In reality, the threat of a dirty bomb is yet another illusion.
    ...
    Almost all studies of such a possible weapon have concluded that the radiation spread in this way would not kill anybody because the radioactive material would be so dispersed. And providing the area was cleaned promptly the long term effects would be negligible.


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    Creeping Authoritarianism (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by squeaky on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 11:12:34 AM EST
    The FBI also said there was no credible threat.
    Mayor Michael Bloomberg said the police measures were nothing out of the ordinary.
    "These actions are like those that the NYPD takes every day _ precautions against potential but unconfirmed threats that may never materialize," he said in a statement.

    HuffPo
    Yes having dozens of streets close with police checkpoints is normal according to Bloobmberg.

    Wonder why is seems so unusual then?  Maybe it is the new normal.

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    I got talking to a woman who (none / 0) (#58)
    by Edger on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 11:17:41 AM EST
    was walking by my house the other day. She had just returned form a visit to NYC.

    While walking around she turned a corner to find what she described as a huge police presence all over the street.

    She asked one of the cops what was going on.

    He said "the high school is about to get out for the day - often it gets very violent around here when it does".

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    That video above (none / 0) (#59)
    by Edger on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 11:32:16 AM EST
    is excerpts and a short intro to what's going on. Here's a fuller examination of it.

    War On Terror
    The Rise Of The Politics of Fear
    Nightmares, Lies And Manipulations

    This 3-hour, BBC documentary shows that the "threat of terrorism" is to a very large extent, "a fantasy manufactured by politicians, national security profiteers and Islamic terrorists in order to project and consolidate their own political power". The documentary reveals the origins of the "war on terrorism" in the Reagan Administration under the influence of Neocons like Michael Ledeen and their ally, former CIA Chief, William Casey


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    bush fear mongering again (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Sailor on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 04:19:30 PM EST
    So AT&T didn't (5.00 / 0) (#63)
    by Alien Abductee on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 07:57:43 PM EST
    just censor the political speech of Pearl Jam, they've been censoring other artists as well in their webcasts for quite some time:

    However, an email sent this morning to Wired News, the Chicago Sun Times, the LA Times, and the Wall Street Journal alleges that AT&T censored the Flaming Lips and the John Butler Trio during previous webcasts:

    "I read your article about this and it makes me so angry that AT&T say this is a one time mistake.

    "They did the same thing on the webcasts from Bonnaroo in June during the John Butler Trio show when he was talking about the lack of response from our government during Katrina, and also during the Flaming Lips show when the lead singer was talking about how much George Bush had screwed up.  I was at both of those live shows and saw the webcasts later. The sound did not cut out at any other time - only when someone was talking about George Bush or the goverment in a negative way.

    "It was not a mistake, it is full out censorship."

    Apparently just a random error that only keeps happening over and over when the topic is criticism of the Bush mal-Administration. Why are these corporations being allowed to control our media and thus our public discourse?

    Don't know what this means, but (1.00 / 0) (#29)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 08:20:55 AM EST
    it doesn't sound good for Jose.

    What I can't figure is what the Defense would think a jihad defense made sense, anyway. I mean what's the deal??

    "I didn't do it, but if I did jihad gave me the right to."

    AP - Jurors in the trial of Jose Padilla and two other men cannot consider whether the men's actions were justified by Islamic law, a federal judge ruled. The judge, Marcia G. Cooke of Federal District Court, agreed to a request from prosecutors to instruct the jurors that each of the men could be convicted even if they "may have believed that the conduct was religiously, politically or morally required, or that ultimate good would result." A cornerstone of the defense during the nearly three-month trial has been the idea that Islamic teaching provides for legitimate "defensive jihad." Mr. Padilla and his co-defendants, Adham Amin Hassoun and Kifah Wael Jayyousi, are charged with being part of a North American terrorism support cell.

    Link


    Tell me again how the science (1.00 / 0) (#46)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 09:03:19 PM EST
    behind man made gobal warming claims is not suspect.

    NASA's much-ballyhooed data showing that 1998 was the warmest year on record for the Earth the USA was, uh, wrong. A blogger found a Y2K bug in the data algorithm, NASA climatologist James Hansen, and NASA has now issued corrected data. The warmest year on record for the Earth the USA: 1934 - 1998 was the second-warmest. The third warmest: 1921. Michael Asher at DailyTech.com tells the story of how blogger Steve McIntyre, who operates the site climateaudit.org, found the error and forced NASA to admit it.



    I used to get a kick (5.00 / 0) (#62)
    by jondee on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 07:34:58 PM EST
    out of pokerputz's Left wing plot theory about the science behind "global warming claims"; now it dosnt come out till his blood sugar drops to a certain level.

    C'mon Jim, tell us again about the scientists brainwashed by tenured radicals who hate America. It's a fascinating theory.

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    NASA data (none / 0) (#50)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 09:38:37 PM EST
    once again (none / 0) (#53)
    by Sailor on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 12:00:05 AM EST
    show ONE peer reviewed article contradicting climate change.

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    What do you mean? (none / 0) (#64)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 05:06:18 PM EST

    The climate has been changing continuously fot billions of years.  There is no reason to think that it will stop changing.  Climate change is normal and expected.  Get used to it.

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    I still think Edwards, despite his advocacy (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 12:43:58 PM EST
    for the poor, will be viewed by many voters as a rich plaintiffs' trial lawyer.  

    He is (none / 0) (#4)
    by Deconstructionist on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 12:58:49 PM EST
    a rich, plaintiff's lawyer and there is a segment of the population among whom that is a big negative. However, that segment largely overlaps with the segment that will generally vote against any Democrat or, more specifically, Clinton and Obama. I'd daresay there are more people who will vote against Hillary because she's Hillary Clinton than against Edwards because he's a rich, plaintiff's lawyer. I think the unspoken reality too is that there is a significant segment of the population who will vote against a black or a woman.

      My point being is that I don't thinnk Edwards' seeming failure to gain traction is primarily related to his occupation and wealth directly or even indirectly in the sense that people who would otherwise support him shy away because they think too many others will do so because of that if he is the nominee.

      It's waaaay early and he has time but to me the bottom line is that he is running a terrible campaign and this early the people who pay attention focus a great deal on the "inside baseball" junk rather than policy issues.

     

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    Well-stated. I agree on the woman/black (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 01:02:48 PM EST
    candidate conclusion too.  Not PC to admit it but the prejudices are still there.  

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    True. And, otoh, (none / 0) (#8)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 02:34:48 PM EST
    there will be those who vote for Hillary or Obama because she's a woman and he's black.

    Part of me hopes a Clinton/Obama ticket is elected just to prove that we're that kind of a society - not that that would be proof of anything, nor that there aren't (too many) members of our society for whom gender and race are insurmountable obstacles...

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    Can you even imagine the sparks flying (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 02:45:37 PM EST
    w/that combo in the WH?  

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    Well, actually, (none / 0) (#11)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 03:07:07 PM EST
    I think sparks would fly with HRC in the WH no matter how far out to pasture she puts whomever her running mate is...

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    Iraq Timeline: (none / 0) (#3)
    by Sailor on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 12:49:33 PM EST
    SCOTUS decision on home health care (none / 0) (#6)
    by seabos84 on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 02:01:51 PM EST
    workers and the hours they work ...

    wasn't there a decision a few weeks / a month back that pertained to home health care workers?

    I didn't catch any blog-o-sphere analysis of it that was readable to my math degree brain.

    can anyone at least point me to the decision?

    thnxs.

    bob murphy
    seattle

    Google Long island Home and (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 02:11:32 PM EST
    United States Supreme Court.



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    bingo. thanks !!! (none / 0) (#10)
    by seabos84 on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 02:52:11 PM EST

    http://www.nwlc.org/details.cfm?id=3059&section=newsroom

    my mother works from 2 p.m. friday till 2 p.m. sunday, and is paid about ... 24 hours? 28?

    NOT for the 48 hours she is on site.

    and ... never mind. I don't have time to put together something reasonable - I expect the fascists to treat us like dirt - I am so f$$$ing sick of the Dems who roll over for this stuff.

    100s of Dem congress critters, 1000's of staffers, millions in salaries, AND

    they can do excuses, they can't do fighting for the pee-ons.

    is it really really really that confusing why they are a minority party incessantly getting boxed around by the likes of Rove et al?

    rmm.

     

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    Heard about this on NPR last night (none / 0) (#20)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 05:44:05 PM EST
    From the Sacramento [California] Bee.
    Democrats are growing anxious about a state initiative filed last month by a prominent Republican attorney to change the way California assigns its presidential electors, even though the proposal has no discernible financial backers yet.

    Rather than assign all of California's 55 electoral votes to one candidate under the current winner-take-all system, the initiative would split the nation's largest electoral bounty between two or more candidates.

    Filed by GOP lawyer Thomas Hiltachk, it would give a presidential candidate one electoral vote for each congressional district he or she wins in California, plus two additional votes to whomever wins a plurality statewide. If it qualifies, it would appear on the June 2008 ballot and take effect in next year's presidential contest.

    That could spell disaster for Democrats and be a significant boon to Republicans in a state the GOP hasn't won since 1988. If the proposed system had been in place in 2004, President Bush would have received 22 electoral votes from California rather than none.

    Only Florida, NY, Texas [and Cali] have more than 22 electoral votes...

    Do any states already have this system? (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 07:32:53 PM EST
    No (none / 0) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 07:41:21 PM EST
    Maine and Nebraska have (none / 0) (#35)
    by Deconstructionist on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 10:54:45 AM EST
    something similar. (being so small they get little attention, I guess)

     In those states the winner of the  popular vote statewide gets only  two electoral votes for that.  the rest are distributed by Congressional district poular vote. I believe Maine has 2 and Nebraska 3 congressional districts.

      So, a candidate in Maine  could get 1 electoral for winning one of the 2 congressional districts-- even though he lost statewide Maine would vote 3-1 for the other candidate.

      Nebraska with 3 district could theoretically split 3-2 for the statewide winner if the loser won 2 of the 3 congressional districts.

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    Thanks. (none / 0) (#37)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 03:00:12 PM EST
    Haditha update (none / 0) (#24)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 10:37:05 PM EST

    Was it three more cases dismissed?  It looks as if this is going the way of the duke hoax.

    Three (1.00 / 0) (#27)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 07:15:50 AM EST

    Charges against Lance Cpl Justin Sharratt and Captain Randy W Stone were dropped today.

    Captain Randy W Stone, had his charges of failing to investigate the killings adequately dropped on Thursday.


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    Don't you know?? (1.00 / 0) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 07:41:02 AM EST
    Good news doesn't count.

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    Good news (5.00 / 0) (#61)
    by jondee on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 07:28:09 PM EST
    would be a foreign policy that didnt include murder and torture as an inevitable byproduct.

    More good news would be the APA finally getting around to classifying chickenhawks as mentally ill.

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    DA doesn't like good news (1.00 / 0) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 12:10:16 PM EST
    Yes, I think it is good news that we have an investigation and these three men cleared.

    That you do not speaks volumes about your bias.

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    What the general said (4.00 / 0) (#49)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 09:32:31 PM EST

    "With the dismissal of these charges LCpl Sharratt may fairly conclude that he did his best to live up to the standards, followed by U.S. Fighting men throughout our many wars, in the face of life or death decisions made in a matter of seconds in combat. And as he has always remained cloaked in the presumption of innocence, with this dismissal of charges, he remains in the eyes of the law - and in my eyes - innocent."

    Sounds like Sharrat is out of the woods.

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    DA yadda yadda's (1.00 / 0) (#45)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 08:33:00 PM EST
    You forgot the "strong National Defense" part.

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    Vacation (none / 0) (#48)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 09:11:04 PM EST
    Bush set to beat Reagan's vacation record.

    think progess

    Supporting the Troops (none / 0) (#65)
    by Edger on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 08:16:13 PM EST
    Hat Tip to Susie at Suburban Guerrilla for this sad story.

    Homeless vets: a hidden crisis

    ORLANDO, Fla. - Often, when Ryan Svolto manages to sleep, he finds himself back in Iraq preparing for triage, awash in blood and bodies. But he can't find his medical kit, and, helpless, he thrashes awake, damp with sweat.

    As an infantry medic, he patched up soldiers wounded in combat in Iraq. Now, Svolto, 24, is trying to fix his own wounded life after a recent stint at a Daytona Beach, Fla., homeless shelter.

    Svolto is one of a growing number of Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans who joined the ranks of the homeless after returning home. Experts say a system already buckling under one of the nation's largest homeless populations might collapse under the weight of a new wave of veterans, many saddled with mental-health issues and crippling brain injuries.

    ''If I could identify and convince every homeless vet in the area to come to a shelter or a transitional-housing program,'' said Cathy Jackson, executive director of the Homeless Services Network of Central Florida, ''we wouldn't have enough beds for them.''

    For Svolto, it's yet another battle, one he believes he won't be fighting alone.

    ''That's the scary part: when they get out of the Army and realize they're not who they used to be,'' he said. ''It seems easier to disappear in the woods and live that way. A lot of these kids aren't going to be prepared. I wasn't prepared.''

    Nearly half of all homeless veterans served in Vietnam. Hamstrung by a lack of job skills, by drug addictions and psychological issues, they became homeless 12 to 15 years after discharge.

    But veterans of the latest war are hitting the streets much sooner.
    ...
    A recent study in the New England Journal of Medicine found that nearly 20 percent of Iraq vets show clinical signs of major depression and post-traumatic stress disorder.

    Similarly, about a fifth of them have traumatic brain injuries, often the result of being wounded by roadside bombs. Such injuries can produce personality changes, mood swings and impaired memory.

    (more...)



    And the wingnut/rethug answer? (none / 0) (#66)
    by Edger on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 08:20:17 PM EST
    VAIW: Veterans Against The Iraq War
    Republicans Seek To Slash VA Budget
    August 12, 2007
    Today the House of Representatives will vote on a resolution that if passed will devastate the Veterans Administration's budget and severely reduce its medical, disability, and benefit programs. On the verge of war in Iraq, the Republican Paty has placed in its cross-hairs American veterans from earlier wars.

    The Republican majority of the House Budget Committee is reducing President Bush's proposed budget by about $844 million in health care and an additional $463 million in benefit programs including disability compensation, vocational rehabilitation, education survivor's benefits, and pension programs from next year's budget. In addition to these cuts, the GOP is planning to cut $15 billion from the veteran programs over the next 10 years. The soldiers and sailors that are currently in harms way in the the Middle East, are about to have their future veterans' benefits and health care slashed. If, that is, the Republicans get their way.

    According to the Veterans Administration, 28 million veterans are currently using VA benefits and another 70 million Americans are potentially eligible for such programs, a quarter of the county's population. With the economy in a downward spiral and unemployment rising quickly, an increased number of veterans will be turning to the Veterans Administration for assistance. Yet, the VA budget is about to shrink.

    Will the Democratic Leadership cave again?

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