Matt Bai and The Netroots

It never made any sense to me that Matt Bai was chosen as the moderator of the Yearly Kos Presidential Forum. Bai has a long track record of hostility towards Left blogs and the views espoused by them. Joan Walsh reviews his new book and finds, surprise! - that Bai is very hostile to the goals of the Left blogs. Kevin Drum, in a strange reaction, ignores this and likes the book very much:

As near as I can tell, she and I had an almost (though not quite) identical reaction to Bai on substantive grounds, but despite that I loved the book and she hated it. Basically, I thought it was a terrific and insightful piece of reporting even though I thought Bai's basic theme failed to hold water, while Walsh was exasperated by the cluelessness of the book's basic theme but allowed that it also had some colorful and interesting reporting.

So Kevin likes clueless and inaccurate books apparently. Good to know.

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    you (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by taylormattd on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 04:27:03 PM EST
    aren't the only one who thought using Matt Bai was a bad idea.

    Who better to ask Kos than BTD? (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 07:58:06 PM EST
    Not his choice (none / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 08:00:07 PM EST
    Not involved in that was Kos.

    Then who the heck was? mcjoan (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:55:57 AM EST
    sd. it was decided w/o her.

    It (none / 0) (#13)
    by taylormattd on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 05:31:55 PM EST
    was Gina Cooper and the other organizers of Yearly Kos, I assume. You could ask her.

    I finally figured out why I thought (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 05:41:57 PM EST
    you were female until I saw your photo.  I've been reading "Taylormaid" all this time!

    ha! (none / 0) (#15)
    by taylormattd on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 04:51:01 PM EST
    Now that's funny. I've never heard that one before.  :)

    That's why the photos are so fun to (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 04:53:57 PM EST
    compare w/what we just know is correct. But, from DK, I learn the we'll never know what ek looks like. Of course, I also ek was a woman until recently.

    Imagine being SMART & COOL & (4.00 / 1) (#1)
    by seabos84 on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 04:01:47 PM EST

    On The Inside !!

    (recall, all who are on the inside are there cuz they'z smarter, cooler and more important than us peee-ons.)

    what's it say on the top of the NYT?

    "All The Thoughts That Are Fit To Think" ?


    That did it. (none / 0) (#2)
    by stoic on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 04:07:44 PM EST
    Kevin Drum has finally gotten on my last nerve. Delete Washington Monthly from my Firefox tabs: done.

    Cluelessness (none / 0) (#4)
    by Kevin Drum on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 06:27:25 PM EST
    Armando: I didn't say Bai's theme was clueless.  I was glossing what Walsh said.  Obviously I disagree with her, even though in the end I don't think Bai makes a convincing case that the big problem for Democrats going into 2008 is their lack of a "big idea."

    As for inaccuracies, I don't think Walsh pointed any out.  She disagreed with Bai on several of his points, but I don't think she accused him of being inaccurate.

    Stoic: Just out of curiosity, have you read the book?  Walsh makes Bai out to be relentlessly critical of the netroots, but I didn't get that sense at all.  He points out both good and bad.

    I have not Kevin (none / 0) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 07:03:40 PM EST
    But I have read  him for years.

    But I was taking your word for it.

    And I do think he was terrible in the YKos Presidential Forum.

    Oh, and BTW, until recently, I have been extoling your blogging virtues.


    You'd best add a few links! (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 07:07:13 PM EST
    Here's one: (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 07:21:43 PM EST
    Just glanced at Walsh (none / 0) (#10)
    by andgarden on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 11:09:28 PM EST
    Does Bai actually believe that Nixon and Reagan won on bold, new, agendas? In Bai's world, race and racism would appear not to exist.

    Alternet Don Hazen has a long review too (none / 0) (#12)
    by timber on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 10:56:38 AM EST