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O'Pollahan Part of A Future Dem Administration? How? Why?

Glenn Greenwald says:

[O'Hanlon and Pollack] . . . almost certainly will occupy key national security positions in the next Democratic administration, particularly in a Clinton administration.

Where does Glenn get this from? I do not know this is true and it absolutely should not be. Is it true? Why? How? Such a thing must be unacceptable.

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    Different Take (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by tnthorpe on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 08:57:53 PM EST
    Reading GG's post, I see him describing American policy as both imperial and militaristic, which I also see him criticizing. He has the Washington consensus directly in his sights when he argues that

    "What is missing from the debate in the Foreign Policy Community is any discussion of the right to intervene -- when is it justifiable to slaughter innocent people in order to advance our "interests"? Is it justifiable to invade and/or bomb other countries even when they are not threatening our national security?
    Yes, Drezner is correct that there are debates about whether there is net utility to our "interests" in each specific intervention. Those debates are allowed. But debates about whether there is legitimacy or justification to using our military force to kill civilians even when our national security is not at risk is precisely what we do not debate. We are an empire, and hence our right to use military force (when in our interests) is simply assumed (hence, pre-Iraq, the mainstream "debate" included arguments that our occupation strategy was wrong and/or that we should delay an invasion of Iraq pending the inspection process and/or even the argument that invading Iraq would distract from Afghanistan, but not that invading Iraq was per se illegitimate because they did not attack us or threaten our national security)."

    I read this as critical of the "assumption" of the natural prerogative our "interests" give us to invade preemptively. The claim that we are a militaristic empire is buttressed by our outrageous Pentagon budget, our huge debt incurred by such spending, our global network of military bases, our military support for who knows how many regimes across the globe, in addition to the policies that the Bush Administration has followed. (Though here one must also note that Clinton Administration policies were not dissimilar with regards to military spending and the selective projection of military force. Though, neither he nor Gore would have invaded Iraq as Bush illegally did, nor refused diplomacy as a matter of principle.)

    I don't read GG as being enthused at the prospect of more inside-the-beltway groupthink, though by pointing out that O'Hanlon and Pollack are still considered Serious, he is also pointing out that a future Democratic administration is only going to be incrementally different that what we're stuck with now.

    Very incrementally different... (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Edger on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:13:05 PM EST
    I reread it and now see him making (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 05:22:23 AM EST
    much the same case.  The majority of the nation's population being as against the Iraq War as it is says to me that Americans in general do not desire to be the citizens of an imperialistic empire.  Staying an all volunteer military will also keep America in check.  Our military is wounded, nobody wants to or wanted to die for the little king's grand plan. At least Americans are selfish enough that we have our own ideas of what is worth dying for and it isn't some other guys Jesus landing pad.  The beltway wants a larger military, they have passed the legislation for a larger military but they still don't have the bodies that make a larger military because they have yet to prove they can be trusted with our sons and daughters and as long as Iraq is still happening they won't get enough bodies to even fix the military.  Batiste says it will take ten years to rebuild the army that Bush broke.  We will have lots of talking soldiers to fix too, there will be a lot more atrocity revealed. We have only scratched the surface there on what average America knows was happening in Iraq those first two years.  It won't be easy to stomach or get through nor should it be.  I hope that all of these things in play will give America pause and shape our future foreign policy and to heck with O'Hanlon and Pollack.  If Americans should die for anything these days my suggestion would be to prevent either one of these Neocons in rabid lamb clothing from holding any position in any administrations.  They are deeply flawed whackjobs.

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    Where does Glenn get this from? (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Edger on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:00:50 PM EST
    This maybe?

    Clinton's Strong Defense Legacy
    Foreign Affairs, November 2003
    Michael E. O'Hanlon

    An article (none / 0) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:24:05 PM EST
    that Clinton can not be happy with now.

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    Could be... (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Edger on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:37:45 PM EST
    But I thought these two sentences might mean the reverse to her...

    The notion that President Bill Clinton was a poor steward of the armed forces has become so commonly accepted that it is now often taken for granted...
    ...
    This assessment, however, is wrong. The Clinton administration's use of force (or lack thereof ) may be controversial, but the Clinton Pentagon oversaw the most successful defense drawdown in U.S. history

    Since she seems to be trying to coopt antiwar/peace movement.

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    She is a neocon, after all is said and done. (none / 0) (#19)
    by Edger on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 07:41:44 AM EST
    Could you imagine the outcry (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by pontificator on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:34:42 PM EST
    If Hillary tried to to appoint O'Pollahan to anything more important than the ambassador to Aruba?  It would make the right's attack on Harriet Miers look warm and fuzzy!

    Let's hope so (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:39:32 PM EST
    The problem is (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:43:42 PM EST
    I think she'd get away with it.

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    Chickens. Counting them (1.00 / 0) (#17)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 10:44:51 PM EST
    before they hatch, etc.

    [O'Hanlon and Pollack] . . . almost certainly will occupy key national security positions in the next Democratic administration, particularly in a Clinton administration.


    I've only read half of the Greenwald (none / 0) (#1)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 06:52:48 PM EST
    piece.  He has given me a headache again.  I used to like Greenwald but when it comes to the military and the face that Americas military needs to take throughout the world, I think he needs to visit the military world a little bit.  He  needs to pass through a ROK check point that exists outside of every American military base in South Korea everyday for a year to understand how respect for each other must happen.  If it doesn't happen real people are at both ends of the M-16 and someone is going to die so let us not get daft in the head when we think about how much America spends on military $hit and dreams of Empire from behind our keyboards.  Every Empire has gotten too big for it's britches so far and been demoted so let's not be stupid Kay?  We already did that in Iraq and guess what happened?  IRAQ! It is intimidating when two militaries bump up against each other and one is technically more powerful, I see it in the faces of the ROK soldiers staring at me sternly and I respect that I'm a visitor in THEIR country and I'm expected to respect and this is how the real world with weapons works if you want peace even if you have more weapons than the other guy!  Everybody can die, it takes much more strength, courage, and grace and the test of a Real Empire for everyone to live!

    Greenwald says no one laid a glove (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 06:54:57 PM EST
    on these guys.  Frank Rich?

    clearly, mr. greenwald has succumbed (none / 0) (#3)
    by cpinva on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 06:59:27 PM EST
    to a massive addiction to hallucinagens. where can i get some?

    Talk to PPJ (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Molly Bloom on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 07:08:56 PM EST
    he seems to have an endless supply.



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    Sweet dreams my princess. (1.00 / 1) (#16)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 10:43:16 PM EST
    Oooh (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 07:14:11 PM EST
    The best defense . . . . (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 07:15:52 PM EST
    ::High:: On life? Or on... (none / 0) (#10)
    by Edger on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:15:01 PM EST
    She also believes I think, that (none / 0) (#21)
    by Edger on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 03:55:53 PM EST
    the only problem with the Iraq invasion and occupation is that it was handled incompetently.

    That's not too many <philosophical> steps away from saying greater force is needed, and increasing the numbers of troops deployed there, IMO.

    I was one who supported giving President Bush the authority, if necessary, to use force against Saddam Hussein. I believe that that was the right vote. I have had many disputes and disagreements with the administration over how that authority has been used, but I stand by the vote to provide the authority because I think it was a necessary step in order to maximize the outcome that did occur in the Security Council with the unanimous vote to send in inspectors. And I also knew that our military forces would be successful. But what we did not appreciate fully and what the administration was unprepared for was what would happen the day after.

    It has been a continuing theme of my criticism and others that we would be further along, we would have more legitimacy, we would diminish the opposition and resentment that is fueling whatever remains of the insurgency if we had been willing to move to internationalize our presence and further action in Iraq.
    ...
    There are a lot of lessons that perhaps we can learn from already looking back at Iraq and Afghanistan. The overriding lesson I take away is the need for international support. And that has become almost a mantra, and people say it, and no one's quite sure what it means, but everyone keeps saying it. But to me, it is clear that just as we were reminded with the quote that I recited from Leslie Gelb that our interests are often embedded in American internationalism, I think have seen that clearly.

    Remarks by Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
    December 15, 2003, Council on Foreign Relations

    She takes great pains to stress internationalism, but I wonder if it is a cover for imperialism.

    What the Bush Regime portrays as a noble effort to make the world safe from terrorism and bring democracy to the Middle East is actually a vicious war of empire to deepen the U.S. stranglehold on the Middle East and Central Asia --a war that is part of a broader effort to create an unchallenged and unchallengeable imperialist empire.

    This goal is not viewed as capricious or incidental by those in charge--whether Democrats or Republicans--rather it flows from the deepest needs and drives of their system: U.S. hegemony in the Middle East and global dominance is crucial for U.S. capitalism's ongoing functioning and U.S. global power.
    ...
    So when Bush says, "Even if you thought it was a mistake to go into Iraq, it would be a far greater mistake to pull out now," he's expressing a fear -- from an imperialist viewpoint - that a U.S. pullout would leave the empire weaker. And he is saying this in opposition to other forces in the U.S. ruling class who, also coming from an imperialist viewpoint, now think it's a big mistake for the U.S. not to withdraw.
    ...
    And they're trying to carry out this "redeployment" while making clear to the world and the powers-that-be in the U.S. that they can be just as tough and ruthless as Bush.  At the first Democratic Party candidates debate, both Hillary Clinton and John Edwards forcefully responded to a question about terrorist attacks with declarations that they'd act "swiftly" and "strongly."

    Larry Everest, ZNet