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By Big Tent Democrat, Section War In Iraq
Posted on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 07:59:53 PM EST
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Via Yglesias, Iran on Maliki's visit to Teheran:

Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Al-Maliki said Baghdad in its ties with other countries only acts based on the interests and demands of the Iraqi nation. The office of the Iraqi Prime Minister on Saturday in response to a warning by the US President George W. Bush against Baghdad’s development of ties with Tehran announced in a statement: The groundless warning was issued with the aim of overshadowing the successful achievements of Mr Al-Maliki in his recent visit to Tehran.The Iraqi Prime Minister’s office further announced: If the US President assumes that the level of Iraq’s ties with other countries would be determined according to his views, then he is wrong.George W. Bush on Thursday on the second day of Maliki's visit to Iran repeated his baseless claims that Iran interferes in the internal affairs of Iraq. This is while Nuri Al-Maliki on the same day appreciated Iran for helping Iraq establish security and stability, calling for expansion of ties with Iran.

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    U.S. installs Iranian allies in power (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by cmpnwtr on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 08:16:00 PM EST
    One of the first acts of the new Iraqi govt. was to establish a military alliance with Iran. Did anyone with an ounce of knowledge about the history of Iraq and the historic ties between the Iraqi Shia and their Iranian brethren really think it would be any different. Most of this generation of Shia Iraqi political leaders spent decades of exile in Iran. Do they care what Bush thinks? Not on your life. They take our money and let our troops die for their regime, while their parliament goes on vacation. They laugh at us while we expend our lives and treasure to make Iran stronger.

    Blame it on the Iraqis (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by dutchfox on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 08:50:27 PM EST
    This has become a common complaint among Bush&Co and sympathisers. You seem to forget one itsy bitsy fact: we invaded the country. The Iraqis don't want us there.

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    Iraqi govt. is not the Iraqi people (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by cmpnwtr on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 12:13:18 AM EST
    Consistently the Iraqi people indicate in polling they want the U.S. gone. Consistently the pro-Iranian Shiite/Kurd govt. say we can't leave, not yet. So let's not conflate the Iraqi people with the dog and pony show they have for a govt.

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    who could've predicted this? (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Compound F on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 08:51:58 PM EST
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/12/13153/5489

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    Without diplomacy Iran has won (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 08:32:16 PM EST
    when we all could have won, including perhaps even Sunnis and Kurds.

    Bush is having serious problems (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Compound F on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 08:37:55 PM EST
    keeping "his" regimes on the reservation with respect to Iran.  Karzai is also speaking well of Iran, much to Bush's irritation.

    http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?bid=15&pid=220487

    It's a strange thing (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 08:27:27 AM EST
    but we have reason to suspect that Iran is inhabited by human beings, many of which are very similar in profound ways to ourselves ;)  Who knew?

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    Six Lies (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Edger on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 09:38:50 AM EST
    Six Lies You Shouldn't Believe About Iran, Especially Since, Hey, There's People Down Here.
    by Rosa Schmidt Azadi
    It feels so different watching an aircraft carrier group coming toward you than watching it sailing away from you toward another part of the world.

    I'm an American who used to live in New York City. All my life, when I heard about warships, it was US warships going places far away. I never even imagined hostile warships sailing toward New York. Now I'm in Tehran, and aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis is heading our way. And as it sails, people are discussing Israel and/or the US bombing Iran as if my family and 69 million other people weren't even here. I'm getting scared.



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    Human beings (none / 0) (#22)
    by Alien Abductee on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 10:48:07 PM EST
    A very good article from last fall, Iran's Quiet Revolution - reposted in this case by those disreputable Marxists but originally it was in the eminently respectable The Walrus (now behind subscription wall). I think of the people depicted in it when I read about George Bush or John McCain wanting to bomb Iran.

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    So--did the Iraqi government (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 08:47:30 PM EST
    meet a benchmark here?  Pretty damn independent.

    Edger, please explain your (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 09:18:37 PM EST
    #1 rating above.  Given Maliki hung out in Iran for years before he returned to Iraq, what do you disagree with?

    I clicked to fast (none / 0) (#8)
    by Edger on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 09:27:56 PM EST
    It was meant to be "5".

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    Thanks. (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 09:35:20 PM EST


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    No, no (none / 0) (#10)
    by Edger on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 09:42:16 PM EST
    Thank YOU.

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    Please check my link in win-win (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 09:55:57 PM EST
    post.  I think I've got it!

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    Well? (none / 0) (#12)
    by Edger on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 11:28:10 PM EST
    Do you have a link to it? ;-)

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    how's this? (4.00 / 1) (#13)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 11:39:18 PM EST
    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/8/12/111526/910

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    Umm, heh (none / 0) (#14)
    by Edger on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 11:47:06 PM EST
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    Do all that AFTER (none / 0) (#15)
    by Edger on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 11:48:54 PM EST
    you've typed the word TALKLEFT in a comment box.

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    I've been reading Fiasco (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 09:19:39 AM EST
    and based on that book I have to say that Chalabi was a Chalabi plant and Chalabi was a Chalabi spy.  He was master at manipulating self promotion and had long ago made up his mind he was going rule Iraq.  He sold himself to anyone who could possibly help him make that dream come true.  He is the Karl Rove of the middle east.

    He's Replaceable (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by squeaky on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 04:35:47 PM EST
    The Iraqi Prime Minister's office further announced: If the US President assumes that the level of Iraq's ties with other countries would be determined according to his views, then he is wrong.

    That is all good and fine, but Maliki does not have such a firm grip on his position as PM. In fact his government is regularly on the verge of collapse.

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