Guiliani Wants National ID System

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 10:10:00 AM EST
Tags: Rudy Giuliani (all tags)

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Rudy Giuliani campaigned in Colorado Springs Friday.

As he drew a picture of a fence on a paper coffee coaster, he said he has plans to create an identification system for everyone in the country.

“We should know who’s here,” Giuliani said. “Every other country has a system, we’re just catching up.”

A national ID system is a nightmare. The Senate rejected funding for Real ID in July. If you've forgotten what the Real ID Act requires, see below:

The law dictates that, starting on May 11, 2008, Americans will need a federally approved, "machine readable" ID card to travel on an airplane, open a bank account, collect Social Security payments or take advantage of nearly any government service. Before issuing the cards, which would have to adhere to Homeland Security standards, states would be required to verify electronically that identification documents, such as birth certificates, presented by their citizens are authentic. (States that agree in advance to abide by the rules would be given until 2013 to comply.)

It's time to repeal the Real ID Act and rebuff all attempts at a national identification system.

A vote for Rudy is a vote for a surveillance society.

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Time and again (5.00 / 1) (#5)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 08:27:28 AM EST

when the discussion of illegal immigration has come up, many on the Left decalres that it is the employer that should be punished for employing them.

I agree.

But I also say that to do that you need a National ID so that the employer can know who he is hiring.

Um, HELLO!? (5.00 / 1) (#9)
by Lavocat on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 01:04:12 PM EST

Yeah, ya see, there's this thing: we already have a national ID card. It's called the Social Security Number/Card. Remember that?

And SSNs have been abused beyond all recognition already by governmental and quasi-governmental bodies. It seems you can't even cross the street without being forced to give someone your SSN for ... fill in the blank!

And NOW, you want me to cede even MORE personal information to the government. NFW! I think not.
After all, if the government wants to know more about me, it will merely engage in warrantless wiretapping. But the information will not be given willingly.

Lavocat (1.00 / 0) (#10)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 09:00:10 PM EST

The problem is not in the "number" but in the lack of a secure ID that would identify you as the holder of said scoial security number. Without that we have the mess that currently exists.


: Lets get rid of SS numbers.... (none / 0) (#15)
by kdog on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 08:29:47 PM EST

I'd rather just kick in to a community chest, more localized the better, and if somebody is hungry we feed them out of that.
Keep your numbers and your forms and your scannable ID's.

hahahahahhaha (5.00 / 0) (#13)
by squeaky on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 10:17:40 AM EST

Just like the number of attacks on you make you important and a threat.

hahahahahahha

Based on the number of attacks (1.00 / 0) (#12)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 08:31:02 AM EST

on Rudy, I'd say you guys are very frightened that he can beat Hillary in the general election. I mean, if you thought he was weak, why wouldn't you just leave him alone and hope he gets the Repub nod??

important topics (none / 0) (#1)
by Sumner on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 01:34:15 AM EST

I just posted on this here, as it seems to flow from the previous post. Hey, I told you to keep your eye on Lute. These events are not unrelated.

i don't know (none / 0) (#2)
by Stewieeeee on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 04:10:52 AM EST

if you're saying it's impractical to implement this, i guess, ok.

but i guess i just look at the entire country like a bar.

you don't have ID, you don't get in. overly simplistic, yes. probably really dumb. but one of the reasons why a bar might insist on seeing an ID before they let a person in is because when the numnutz overdrinks and passes out, they can be put the numnutz on an ambulance with a name.

you're a lawyer. are john and jane does a problem in the legal system. do they pile up. would it be better if people knew who they were?

i don't really know.

i don't really know how having a driver's license is an infringement on my privacy either?

the only drawback i see here is cost and implementation. if it was free and could be implemented without fear of fraud, then what's the big orwellian nightmare about knowing who people are?

they are pushing this hard (none / 0) (#3)
by Sumner on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 04:59:03 AM EST

because personhood resides in the fact that one is a human being, not by virtue of a governent issued title, without which, "You're a non-person!".

: who wants to be (none / 0) (#4)
by Stewieeeee on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 05:13:56 AM EST

a john or jane doe?

Why not? (none / 0) (#6)
by cmpnwtr on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 10:51:26 AM EST

European countries seem to do nicely with a national ID card. What's so problemmatic about it? Italy has had one since WWII and it's a good way to track people who are up to no good. Any organized society needs to have some way of identifying who are citizens and who are not.

European Countries (none / 0) (#7)
by diogenes on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 11:44:07 AM EST

Well, everyone knows that European countries are run by fascist, right wing, warmongering people who make Republicans look like radical leftists.

Great Pic (none / 0) (#11)
by squeaky on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 09:34:57 PM EST

Rudy as Ming the Merciless.

Why a National ID (none / 0) (#14)
by FightforJustice on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 03:49:16 PM EST

Europeans have national IDs without having police states. The USA needs reliable ID that can't be easily fabricated. Those who favor controlling illegal immigration ought to understand that a national ID helps to do that. For those who want illegal immigration, on the other hand, I can understand why you oppose an effective means to control it.