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    US Drops Baghdad Electricity Reports (5.00 / 0) (#20)
    by Edger on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 09:13:21 AM EST
    July 27th, 2007 2:56 pm
    By Noam N. Levey and Alexandra Zavis, The Los Angeles Times

    Washington - As the Bush administration struggles to convince lawmakers that its Iraq war strategy is working, it has stopped reporting to Congress a key quality-of-life indicator in Baghdad: how long the power stays on.

    Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee last week that Baghdad residents could count on only "an hour or two a day" of electricity. That's down from an average of five to six hours a day earlier this year.

    But that piece of data has not been sent to lawmakers for months because the State Department, which prepares a weekly "status report" for Congress on conditions in Iraq, stopped estimating in May how many hours of electricity Baghdad residents typically receive each day.

    Instead, the department now reports on the electricity generated nationwide, a measurement that does not indicate how much power Iraqis in Baghdad or elsewhere actually receive.
    ...
     Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), who sharply questioned [U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Ryan] Crocker about electricity during a recent Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing, sent a letter to the State Department last week complaining about the new measurement. She said she was concerned the White House was trying to obscure the deteriorating situation in Baghdad, the focus of Bush's "surge" of 30,000 additional troops.

    "The president continues to keep information away from the American people and the Congress," said Boxer, who advocates withdrawing troops. "It's obvious that he wants to paint a rosy picture."

    It's 115 degrees and sunny today in Baghdad. The forecast for the week is continuing sunny with scattered cloudiness Tuesday, and a forecast high for the week of 120 degrees.

    Good thing they can use air conditioners and refrigerators for an hour or so a day.

    Ahhhhhh. Freedom and democracy Bush style. You gotta love it.

    WoW (5.00 / 0) (#23)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 11:19:59 AM EST
    Giuliani and his racist legacy:

    The year before Giuliani took office, 720 people were arrested for misdemeanor marijuana-related offenses; by 2000, the number had jumped to 59,495--an increase of 4,549 percent. During a 10-month period in 1996, 50,000 people detained on misdemeanors were strip-searched by the Department of Corrections.

    These kinds of aggressive policies gave a green light to the NYPD to terrorize Black and Latino communities.

    When unarmed cousins Anthony Rosario and Hilton Vega were shot in the back and killed while they lay face down on the floor in 1995, Giuliani called the officers and congratulated them on their performance.

    But he's not running on that, he's running on his phony national security cred so the only thing he has to signal his sympathies with the neanderthal base is a full on racist attack against the entire Arab world.

    digby


    Holy (none / 0) (#24)
    by Edger on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 11:27:46 AM EST
    F*&^^&(%^*K!!!
    Giuliani called the officers and congratulated them on their performance.

    ???

    Parent

    "Jacksonian" (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 11:44:32 AM EST
    He was helping all the hispanic and black people. They were obvioulsy not assimilating correctly so he was setting an example.

    He has their best interests at heart. He is a veritable beacon illuminating the path for becoming real Americans.

    Parent

    Are they throwing flowers yet? (none / 0) (#26)
    by Edger on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 11:48:11 AM EST
    Or dropping roses at his public appearances?

    Parent
    4,549 % Increase In MJ Arrests (none / 0) (#33)
    by squeaky on Mon Jul 30, 2007 at 08:04:31 PM EST
    The year before Giuliani took office, 720 people were arrested for misdemeanor marijuana-related offenses; by 2000, the number had jumped to 59,495--an increase of 4,549 percent.

    But it wasn't that Giulani just hated pot smokers; the results of his marijuana policy show starkly that his ire was aimed at pot smokers of a certain color--and it wasn't white. As an analysis of city pot arrests between the early 1980s and the early 2000s showed, as marijuana busts shot upward during Rudy's reign, the arrests shifted from the wealthy, central areas of the city to the cities poor, black and Hispanic neighborhoods.

    link

    Parent

    Dangers (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by squeaky on Mon Jul 30, 2007 at 12:44:42 PM EST
    A chart that shows the risks of Death for Americans, from terrorism to heart disease.  Magnifying glass not included.

    And of course (5.00 / 0) (#31)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 30, 2007 at 05:04:06 PM EST
    Nothing but crickets...crickets..crickets..(as expected) from the great white patriot quarter on Bush's announced aid package to the land of rusty sword beheadings, stonings, good friends and special times, Saudi Arabia.

    As usual, the revoltingly backward, sadistic, repressive, "enemy of my enemy" is redeemed by what he has to offer the major shareholders.

    And more crickets... (none / 0) (#35)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 01:10:40 PM EST
    You define yourselves well.

    Parent
    The truth comes out. (1.00 / 1) (#6)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 06:22:36 PM EST
    As I said, there isn't going to be a SP.....

    Today the Times confirms that Gonzales told the truth. The legal dispute that broke out in 2004 was about the NSA's "data mining" project, in which databases of telephone records were reviewed for patterns suggestive of terrorist cells:

    The fact is that the Senators who ridiculed Gonzales, questioned his credibility and called for a perjury investigation were wrong. They owe the Attorney General an apology.


    Link

    UPDATE: Maybe I'm the only one who didn't already know this, but I was astonished to learn that there is no expectation of privacy in telephone records at all. Section 2702(c) sets out the circumstances in which a telecom provider can disclose phone records, not including the contents of communications. So this would cover the call information at issue in this program. 2702(c)(6) says that such phone records may be freely disclosed, at the company's discretion:

    (6) to any person other than a governmental entity.

    That's right. These supposedly top-secret telephone records can be given or, more likely, sold to any company or private citizen. So if I had enough money, I could buy the phone records of every person in the U.S., and donate them to the NSA.

    I can see the tapes being downloaded to a company in say, India.....

    link

    Telephone calling records are routinely sent to third party billing companies who format and bill the calls. I would guess that used billing computer tapes, especially unformated ones with disassociated entries would be dirt cheap.

    Your title is wrong. (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Edger on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 06:28:33 PM EST
    You mean "The spin comes out".

    Parent
    edger (1.00 / 0) (#12)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:15:50 PM EST
    Nah, you'll try the spin. See Big Tent's latest.

    Parent
    once again ... (none / 0) (#11)
    by Sailor on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:14:58 PM EST
    ... powerlie is not a reputable news source, it is wrongwing opinion pieces. Besides, that crap has already been debunked.

    By your constant regurgitation of extreme wrongwing talking points your pose as a social liberal is exposed as fallacious.

    Parent

    Sailor (1.00 / 0) (#13)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:17:56 PM EST
    Please warn me before you do that. I am laughing so hard my ribs hurt.

    In the meantime, tell Big Tent you don't believe him.

    ;-)

    BTW - The truth doesn't have a political position.

    Parent

    BTD exposed your lies (none / 0) (#15)
    by Sailor on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:25:22 PM EST
    sailor (1.00 / 1) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 11:04:11 PM EST
    Oh really?? In your world everybody lies, eh?? What an interesting life you must lead.

    Uh, did you read the article??

    BTD can defend himself, but you should understand that the issue is simply this.

    The charge was that Gonzales was lying.

    The NYT proves he was telling the truth.

    The Demos rabid hatred and attack attack attack have trapped them in a huge overstatement. You know it. I know it. And so does the American people.

    Maybe now they will try and do something worthwhile like get national health care for the millions who are sick tonight but can't get help, or rationalize our screwed up drug laws, or make it legal for gays to marry like the rest of the country has...

    But no. All they want to do is point fingers and yell... he lied!! He lied!! He lied!!

    Disgusting. How childish they act.

    But what goes around comes around. It is the creditability of Schumer and company who is now called into question.

    Parent

    The NYT? (none / 0) (#19)
    by Edger on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 11:42:08 PM EST
    This NYT?
    As far as we can tell, there are three possible explanations for Mr. Gonzales's talk about a dispute over other -- unspecified -- intelligence activities. One, he lied to Congress. Two, he used a bureaucratic dodge to mislead lawmakers and the public: the spying program was modified after Mr. Ashcroft refused to endorse it, which made it "different" from the one Mr. Bush has acknowledged. The third is that there was more wiretapping than has been disclosed, perhaps even purely domestic wiretapping, and Mr. Gonzales is helping Mr. Bush cover it up.
    1 is lying.
    2 is lying.
    3 is lying.

    And you are deluding yourself. Which is also lying. To yourself (the only person you fool).

    Parent

    Edger - Opinion vs hard news. (1.00 / 1) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 09:46:28 AM EST
    Again.

    You are reading an editorial.

    It is on a page marked "opinion."

    Now this link goes to the news section. You know, FACTS.

    The facts are that data mining is entirely different from recording conversations, and that the two programs were, and are, entirely separate.

    Parent

    Hahahahahaha! (5.00 / 0) (#22)
    by Edger on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 09:56:03 AM EST
    Of course they are, ppj. Sure....

    Like everything else you do, Data Mining from NSA Surveillance Records makes them two separate programs, and is inventing facts out of thin air or just pulling them out of your ass you mean, and absolves you of all culpability you figure?

    Hilarious. We'll get you booked into the Improv any day now, or the psych ward.

    I guess maybe I was wrong again? You're really not pretending to be as intellectually  f**ked up as  you try to appear, are you?

    Or ARE YOU?

    Parent

    Make our votes count! (none / 0) (#1)
    by Lora on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 12:35:42 PM EST
    There is no greater threat to our government, imo, than corrupt elections, especially when the corruption can be so well hidden that we may never find it.

    That's what we face with electronic voting machines.

    Most if not all safeguards on them are the fox watching the hen house.

    What a wonderful topic to have a panel about.  All the voting issues are critically important.

    We all have a duty to find out precisely how our votes will be counted and how they will be guaranteed accurate.  I encourage you ALL to ask at your local election boards.  If you don't get answers that you can understand, or make sense, ask more questions.

    I did this at a demo of our new ES&S election machines, and the demonstrator literally held up a black box and said, "This is how your votes are counted."

    I phoned and emailed questions of our election supervisor, back when he was deciding which machines to buy, about how he can guarantee our votes will be counted fairly and accurately.  I never received any answer.

    I think it's time to try again, harder.

    I agree (none / 0) (#9)
    by Sailor on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:10:20 PM EST
    Another hack (none / 0) (#16)
    by Lora on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:58:13 PM EST
    Thanks, Sailor.  Scary stuff.

    There have been several other successful test attempts to hack into voting machines, despite the "first of its kind" label on this one.

    With wi-fi and insider access and very slight alterations that wouldn't trigger an audit --- how could you tell?

    Parent

    That's the whole point (none / 0) (#17)
    by Sailor on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 08:05:17 PM EST
    how could you tell?
    Despite the EVM shills and their gov't counter parts, if you can erase the record of the hack, which was proved, no one can tell.

    And despite what Himes (?) had said, in the San Diego race the machines were not secured, they were taken home by 'election officials.'

    Write again if you want links, I have a hot Saturday night planned and don't have time at the moment.

    Parent

    Someone in Idaho doesn't like the Governor? (none / 0) (#2)
    by Edger on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 01:06:17 PM EST
    ...their anger, expressed in unique graffiti on the giant grassy hill of the governor's mansion, formerly the Simplot mansion, is at least misplaced, however, um, pointed it is.

    It's pretty hard to miss if you're cruising up Bogus Basin Road. If you squint closely at the photo here, you'll see that, yes, someone used grass killing chemicals of some sort to outline the shape of a giant male phallus, pointed up, on the grass of Simplot hill.

    Effective way to make a point?

    Edger (1.00 / 0) (#4)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 02:08:30 PM EST
    Effective way to tell the world what an idiot someone is.

    Parent
    Effective (none / 0) (#32)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 30, 2007 at 05:44:04 PM EST
    if you belong to a pre-literate tribe just discovering symbol usage.

    I forgot, you do.

    What happened to the "vulgar" "defines them well" line of b.s, Uncle Troll?

    Parent

    Taser use in Vermont (none / 0) (#3)
    by dutchfox on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 01:28:24 PM EST
    Today's Burlington Free Press -
    Brattleboro case sparks debate on Taser stun gun use by police

    The story starts off describing South Burlington Chief Trevor Whipple's recount of tasering an intoxicated man. The article continues...

    "He apologized," Whipple said. "He described the experience of being 'Tased' and said it definitely got his attention. I asked if he had been injured at all. He said he didn't have a single scrape or bruise."

    Whipple's story backs up what police officials elsewhere in Vermont say about the Taser gun in the aftermath of an incident in Brattleboro this week. There, the Taser was used to subdue two pro-environment protesters who had chained themselves to a barrel and refused to cooperate with police.

    "It's the most effective new tool to come along in the police community in the last 25 years," Burlington Police Chief Tom Tremblay said. "We have significantly reduced injuries to officers and the number of confrontations with offenders by utilizing this tool."

    In Burlington, where I live, the taser gun has been used 39 times. (last year, once, on a dog).

    Amnesty International reports that over 150 deaths have been caused by increased use of tasers in the USA.

    After I'd read the Burlington paper article, I did a search on tasers on TL and came up with some posts over the past few years - some of them mentioned TL's special dossier on tasers, but that didn't work.

    Right now I'm working on a response to today's article, because I think it's terribly biased for the use of tasers in Vermont.

    dutch (1.00 / 0) (#5)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 02:12:29 PM EST
    Along with getting them straight over tasers, maybe you can nudge them towards more accurate reporting.

    two pro-environment protesters

    As opposed to anti-environment protesters??

    Words have meanings, and the two in question must have some agenda besides being "pro-environment," which describes everyone I know.

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    why not just... (none / 0) (#8)
    by dutchfox on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 06:58:16 PM EST
    environmental protesters? Agenda or not, the implication is that they deserved to be tasered. In a story that was supposed to be 'just the facts.

    In it's coverage, the Brattleboro Reformer calls the indivuals non-violent protesters.

    Boston Globe just identifies them as two protesters

    The man and the woman were protesting the development of a truck stop by planting flowers.

    Parent

    Dutch (1.00 / 0) (#10)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:14:56 PM EST
    My point was, identify who and what, don't use the catch-all "pro-environment."

    BTW - Did they plant the flowers before or after:

    who had chained themselves to a barrel and refused to cooperate with police.


    Parent
    of course ... (5.00 / 0) (#14)
    by Sailor on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:23:54 PM EST
    ... non-violent protest is always a reason to potentially electrocute someone.

    As opposed to anti-environment protesters??
    No, the administration is anti-environment, that's why there are pro-environment protesters. Just like the admin is pro-war, which is why there are anti-war protesters.

    But quibbling over semantics that you disagree with and missing the point that non-violent protestors were shot with needles and shocked with 50k+ volts as a 'compliance' method is SOP for ppj.

    Parent

    A genuine "liberal" (none / 0) (#29)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 30, 2007 at 01:20:04 PM EST
    would've pointed out the dishonesty of using the phrase "pro-life" sometime in the last 5 years, but somehow the thought never occurred to Jim.

    Now, if fellow liberals Hannity and O'Reilly had only said it..

    Parent

    In ppj-speak (none / 0) (#30)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 30, 2007 at 01:26:14 PM EST
    "Agenda" is always code for tenured radical educated Leftists out to destroy our precious bodily fluids.

    Parent
    Johnny Depp to channel HST again (none / 0) (#27)
    by Sumner on Mon Jul 30, 2007 at 11:02:07 AM EST
    According to Variety, Depp Goes Gonzo Again.

    The film is said to be titled "The Rum Diary".

    Melanie Morgan and Hannity & Colmes/Fox News (none / 0) (#34)
    by Edger on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 05:06:46 AM EST
    "hatred 'r us"

    Melanie Morgan Accuses American Muslims Of Trying To Enact Sharia Law In US
    FOX News chose hate-monger Melanie Morgan, with a record of anti-Islamic statements, as the sole guest to discuss a sensitive Muslim issue on last night's (7/30/07) Hannity & Colmes, the arrest of a Pace University student for throwing a Koran in the toilet on two different occasions. Sure enough, it wasn't long before she used the occasion (with a little egging on by Sean Hannity) to foment hatred and fear of Muslims. It's hard to believe there was any other purpose to the segment. With video.

    Morgan admitted that she had a bias against the Muslim organization, Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), which was involved in the case, for having tried to get her fired, yet "fair and balanced" FOX News didn't see the need for a balancing guest. They didn't even see the need to point out Morgan's bias. She admitted it on her own, without any probing from either host.

    Even worse, Morgan's segment came directly after a similar one. In that discussion, the topic was three Arab princesses removed from a British plane for refusing to sit next to men. The sole guest for that discussion was the Muslim-hater Brigitte Gabriel.