Post Debate Thread: Topics Other Than Iraq

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 08:35:00 PM EST
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John Edwards had the best candidate video I've seen so far.

What did you think about the non-Iraq issues covered?

I would have liked to see something on immigration reform. I don't think there was a single question about crime policy.

There's was lots about race, health care, global warming, gay marriage, foreign relations.

Who impressed you? Who let you down?

What did you think of the questioners' videos? You can view them all here. My favorite was this one.

More..

Since the press will be filled with Hillary's outfit tomorrow (which I loved), here it is:

Photo by Matthew Rond, CNN

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Post Debate Thread: Topics Other Than Iraq | 53 comments (53 topical)

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The gun control question was definitely (5.00 / 1) (#4)
by oculus on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 09:01:21 PM EST

crime-related. Bizarre though. What was that fellow holding on the video?

I'm guessing (5.00 / 1) (#6)
by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 09:02:50 PM EST

A gun?

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Biden's answer was interesting.... (none / 0) (#8)
by jerry on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 09:53:05 PM EST

It was exactly what I was thinking, but I suspect it will be used against him and all of us....

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Hey (none / 0) (#11)
by Jeralyn on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:01:22 PM EST

"us?" I'm not in favor of gun control.

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: Heh (none / 0) (#12)
by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:02:03 PM EST

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: By "us" I was referring to Democrats... (none / 0) (#33)
by jerry on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 10:29:42 AM EST

What I agreed with was that someone that cradles a gun and calls it his baby sets off my "nut" flag.
I'm not terribly fond of gun control, but I think there are some reasonable limits.
But by us, I mean Democrats, not "those of us in favor of gun control". I was basically agreeing with you that there are many Dems that dislike gun control, but Biden's remarks will be used against all Democrats.
You and I will be painted with Biden's remarks whether you like that or not.
I was also not thrilled with Richardson's calls for instant gun checks. I think cooling off periods are reasonable, and perhaps more importantly, I don't want to see yet another effort to create a big privacy defeating database linking police, fbi, hospitals, and mental health institutions. I see the disconnected databases inefficient and actually a good thing in that regard.

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An assault rifle I think. (none / 0) (#14)
by oculus on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:03:00 PM EST

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Unlike J (5.00 / 2) (#16)
by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:04:02 PM EST

I don't walk around with an Uzi.

No wonder she got along so well with Hunter Thompson . . .

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J is packing under her Salmon jacket. (5.00 / 1) (#18)
by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:38:08 PM EST

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At the risk of being kicked off the forum (none / 0) (#35)
by jerry on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 10:34:47 AM EST

for sexist remarks, let me ask that if there are any photos of TL walking around with an Uzi, I'd like to see them posted.

I have fond memories of a Greek island airport guarded by some very good looking commandos (commandettes?) wearing mini-skirts and bearing Uzis.

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Dream Come True (none / 0) (#38)
by squeaky on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 02:19:09 PM EST

Jerry- Looks like your dream will come true, not with Jeralyn though, but with a bunch of keyboard Kommandos et al.

Tired of the usual chicken dinners, the Manchester Republican Committee is planning to arm supporters next month with Uzis, M-16 rifles and other automatic weapons for a day of target practice at a Pelham firing range.

Link via HuffPo

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: I think that sounds like a great fundraiser (none / 0) (#40)
by jerry on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 03:24:09 PM EST

Seriously, which fundraiser would I prefer to go to, a rubber chicken dinner where I have to where a tie with people in suits talking at me, or a fundraiser where a bunch of people stand around shooting guns?
Beyond the spectacle of seeing chickenhawks shooting guns, which clearly not all of them will be, I honestly don't understand the fuss this fundraiser is giving.
I come from a very blue, very pro-gun control part of the world, and yet, when I took a gun course, I had a blast. (No pun intended.) And so did my equally blue (well, not blue enough but that's a different issue for another group) wife.

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Hey! (none / 0) (#1)
by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 08:53:28 PM EST

Iraq is the ONLY topic.

The first 30 minutes were the worst debate I have ever seen.

Not the candidates fault.

This format CAN work if the gimmick videos are eliminated.

: I am kidding on the only topic (none / 0) (#2)
by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 08:54:03 PM EST

. . . sort of.

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The candidate videos seemed unnecessary (none / 0) (#3)
by oculus on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 08:59:52 PM EST

but they weren't really aimed at my demographic. Couldn't discern if the audience applause was for the video, the candidate, or for the message of the video.

Did it get better (none / 0) (#5)
by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 09:02:20 PM EST

I read an open thread where there was a snowman asking a question? And some hillbillies?

Sounds like it was performance art.

Post debate coverage is atrocious.

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the snowman video (none / 0) (#10)
by Jeralyn on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:00:12 PM EST

was my favorite. I linked to it above.

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: Ugh (none / 0) (#13)
by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:02:40 PM EST

Oh well, just one more thing we disagree on.

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The videos were okay (none / 0) (#7)
by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 09:03:34 PM EST

I have wanted all wages taxed for Social Security for a long time so I felt sort of let down because nobody really addressed that.......talked around it. No More I'm a proud Christian stuff, I'm sooooo sick of faith being an issue and I'm not impressed by Obamas faith just like I'm not impressed by Bush's faith or Vitter's faith or anybody's faith these days. I want my own faith and I don't care about theirs. Felt like Obama trying to dig on Hillary for the lack of Universal Healthcare on Bill's watch a low blow for Mr. Highbrow and I don't know who the focus group was but they weren't blog junkies cuz Hillary WON.

I thought the Social Security answers sucked... (none / 0) (#9)
by jerry on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 09:55:30 PM EST

For my entire working life, I have been paying more social security than others PRECISELY because of a bi-partisan let's get social security on track commission. Now I understand the Rethuglicans think my social security payments should be used for their tax cuts, but I am not impressed with candidates that want to propose another bi-partisan soak me commission.

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: I agree, very disappointing (none / 0) (#15)
by Jeralyn on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:03:18 PM EST

I wanted to hear someone say they have Al Gore's lockbox and the only key and they won't let anyone take or reduce our social security.

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Not watching (none / 0) (#17)
by koshembos on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:05:07 PM EST

Stopped watching the debates; they all sound like a bad can of tuna - you know how a good can tastes, but you this can has been canned badly.

Sentencing and punishment policies are actually a crucial issue socially and racially, but no one dare to be "soft on crime."

Immigration avoidance is actually surprising being the new Republican racial, seemingly safe, issue.

Around October/November when the candidate tree will have less leaves will a good time to tune in.

According to 2 diaries on DK, Obama (none / 0) (#19)
by oculus on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:44:26 PM EST

was the clear winner. Also, Kos like the snowman video and the format.

pffft, where's the science I say (5.00 / 1) (#20)
by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:55:08 PM EST

I don't even want Hillary to win and that girl won. That 24 person undecided CNN focus group chose the most undecided candidate.......that isn't science.

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Who did the focus group say won? (none / 0) (#21)
by oculus on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:59:44 PM EST

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According to CNN (none / 0) (#22)
by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 11:03:51 PM EST

the undecided focus group of 24 placed Obama first, Richardson second, and Edwards third, and I say the undecided flock to the undecided.

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That's just crazy. Did they like the videos? (5.00 / 1) (#23)
by oculus on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 11:07:00 PM EST

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BTW, there goes our gig as (5.00 / 1) (#24)
by oculus on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 11:08:00 PM EST

talking heads. What do we know?

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No, it's worse than that (none / 0) (#25)
by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 11:12:19 PM EST

According to the Plank Biden was second choice and not Richardson. Where's the focus here?

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Sad. (5.00 / 1) (#26)
by oculus on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 11:13:40 PM EST

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Maybe Biden because of his Hagel comment? (5.00 / 1) (#27)
by oculus on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 11:14:26 PM EST

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They're voting by the coolest haircut again (5.00 / 1) (#28)
by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 11:17:20 PM EST

As for you and I, better haircuts if we want this job.

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We got one part right, though. (5.00 / 1) (#29)
by oculus on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 11:21:43 PM EST

CNN has a story up that Mary Jo Demitrius (she is a psychologist who makes big $$ assisting lawyers in selecting a jury) sd. Hillary Clinton won if body language is the test. Obama second. Edwards nervous during the gay marriage portion.

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: See, we're pros (5.00 / 1) (#31)
by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 11:24:41 PM EST

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There's a diary up at DK (none / 0) (#30)
by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 11:23:34 PM EST

titled How to become a Hillary supporter and not GBCW. I just don't understand how people become so impassioned and candidate loyal during the primary. Is this even the primary? Isn't this the premary?

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There's also a diary up at dkos titled (5.00 / 1) (#37)
by Edger on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 11:28:49 AM EST

George W. Obama? Or Hillary R. Bush?

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Heh (none / 0) (#39)
by Alien Abductee on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 02:46:23 PM EST

"Troll diary" - man it's an ugly crowd there lately. Bobzcat has some not bad advice though. Does this mean you're now endorsing Dennis Kucinich?

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It is pretty ugly there, isn't it? (5.00 / 1) (#41)
by Edger on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 03:44:57 PM EST

I've had to repost half a dozen times. Someone there is reposting the diary to add "Troll Diary" tags, so I repost to remove them.

Endorsing Dennis Kucinich?

I just want the occupation ended. And he entire Foreign Policy of the past century changed.

Is that too much to ask? ;-)

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I guess you're not a TU (none / 0) (#43)
by Alien Abductee on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 04:09:45 PM EST

TU's can just change the tags, but if you're not one you have to republish to change them. They're not supposed to do that btw - tags are supposed to be for search purposes not for taunting. Next time tell them to stop it or you'll email an admin (mcjoan or MB would be your best bets). They can tell who's been fiddling with the tags, and people can get banned for it. Supposedly at least.

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: I was a TU there (none / 0) (#52)
by Edger on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 05:37:57 PM EST

one day for about an hour....
Never since.

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And yes. I do know (5.00 / 2) (#42)
by Edger on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 03:50:34 PM EST

that it was pretty contentious. Hence my moniker. ;-)

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Like poking the hive (5.00 / 2) (#44)
by Alien Abductee on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 04:12:07 PM EST

with a short stick.

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heh! (5.00 / 1) (#45)
by Edger on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 04:51:42 PM EST

You know those black and white hornets that build big grey football shaped nests?

When I was a kid I used to poke a stick into them and tear them in half. For fun.

It wasn't too bright. I still have lumps in my the back of my neck from the stings. ;-)

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: Why am I not surprised? (none / 0) (#53)
by Alien Abductee on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 10:31:43 PM EST

If you post a revised version tomorrow and add impeachment I might rec - I'm pretty much just reccing impeachment diaries these days. :)

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I rec'd it (none / 0) (#46)
by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 04:58:03 PM EST

Sorry so late. I've been studying how to be a poor General lately and no pay raise either with all this study ;(

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Thanks, Tracy. (none / 0) (#47)
by Edger on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 05:14:58 PM EST

I don't know though. It's getting a pretty ugly reception over there.

You sure you want your name on the list of recommenders? ;-)

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Not a bit (5.00 / 1) (#48)
by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 05:21:55 PM EST

Think of it sort of like high school, not in terms of importance but that whole cycle of in crowd and out crowd and OMG crowd and YOU CANT SAY THAT crowd. Everybody is ALLLLLL roughed up after the Youtube debates and out in full force for their man or woman though Hillary doesn't have many lovers there. It's like a big Homecoming Parade with all the competing High Schools.........all the floats are made of toilet paper baby ;) It's all biodegradeable and look out if it rains ;) You do good stuff Edger, don't doubt it. The natives are just a bit restless today. Troll Diary was totally whack.......blow it off.

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It's funny and sad at the same time (5.00 / 1) (#49)
by Edger on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 05:24:55 PM EST

to see so much defensiveness. Like being swarmed by talex's, sort of. ;-)

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Heh, they're even giving clammyc hell tonight (none / 0) (#50)
by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 05:25:38 PM EST

someone trolled his tipjar ;)

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: Arrrgh. (none / 0) (#51)
by Edger on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 05:26:47 PM EST

Now that is trolling!

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I didn't open that diary. There are soooo (none / 0) (#32)
by oculus on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 11:27:39 PM EST

many HC-bashers there. Irrational.

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I never paid attention before (none / 0) (#34)
by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 10:33:37 AM EST

Hillary isn't my pick, but now she's getting bashed for saying she wouldn't commit troops to Darfur. Doesn't matter that unless you are Kosser with you head up your bum you know that your Army is broken and the taliban has rebuilt and the only troops you have to commit are the ones to treatment. I can't even begin to take these people seriousy. In my book with her answer she scored again if I want a president that can make good decisions based on REALITY!

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: oy (none / 0) (#36)
by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 10:46:28 AM EST

Is this how the primaries are going to go? People fighting about what color to paint the ceiling even though they don't even have any paint and the promise of new paint is far off.

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