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A new Quinnipiac University released today indicates Hillary will win huge in November. She's 10 points ahead and Trump continues his downward spiral. Politico reports she's 16 points ahead in Virginia.

If you want to know about the Clinton Foundation, and why Hillary and Bill did nothing wrong, I recommend you pre-order Joe Conasen's new book, Man of the World: The Further Adventures of Bill Clinton. I received an advance copy (which may not be the final version) and it debunks many myths.

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    Jeralyn (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:11:38 PM EST
    I hope you get to watch Hillary's speech she gave today. It was a thing of beauty.

    Good timing on a strong speech (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by christinep on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:24:02 PM EST
    Yes, the HRC speech today was well-constructed, comprehensive tho compact ... powerful in the way that speaking the truth is.

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    Just finished the doc film 'Fear of 13' (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:30:58 PM EST
    recommended by McBain and Peter G.

    Just stop what you are doing right now and watch it. It's only a couple of hours and is absolutely riveting.

    I am more and more convinced the jury system needs to be seriously re-thought. I hate to contemplate that for every Nicholas Yarris and Damien Echols, and hopefully one day Adnan Syed, that come out of these horrible experiences with a spiritual growth and grace that a privileged being such as myself can only envy, there are probably 1000 more that have their spirits destroyed and never get released, or are killed. There quite obviously can be no greater crime or injustice.

    The ups and downs these people (none / 0) (#34)
    by McBain on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 11:14:28 PM EST
    go through....

    DNA evidence can set them free...
    But the court won't order a new test

    Now the court says OK to new testing
    But the lab lost the DNA sample

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    didnt Scalia (none / 0) (#41)
    by linea on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 12:48:14 AM EST
    make comment to the effect that "factual innocence is no reason not to carry out a death sentence properly reached" (?)

    i expect there is a Scalia "school of thought" in american courts. those who feel the court ruled and the decision should stand... like a referee at a sports game. am i wrong?

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    quinnipiac is one of the better polls (none / 0) (#1)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 08:03:58 PM EST
    but it's really moot (smile).  the number-crunching wonks have the state by state electoral votes indicating a hillary win (~84% change of winning to trumps ~16% chance of winning per nate silver's 538 blog). it's pretty much done. i mean, it is done. it's just not possible for trump to flip the needed states. the election is over as far as im voncerned. president hillary clinton... the first women elected to the office. hopefully, she will have a chance to nominate several scotus justices and the choice and gay rights issue will be secure for our lifetimes.  

    only 5 pts ahead in AZ and basically tied in NC (none / 0) (#2)
    by pitachips on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 08:38:28 PM EST
    I think she will take both - NC very handily but AZ by less than 1%. Romney only won NC by 2 pts and he won AZ by 10.  

    Election night is going to be amazing. I wonder what the GOP will look like in a year.


    even if trump (none / 0) (#3)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 08:55:37 PM EST
    wins AZ (i think he might) he cant flip NC... and also flip FL and OH and IA and he needs all of those to win. cant be done. it just cant be done. election night... i'll be out with friends at the local "social house" and it will be a serious party. there goes my diet. liquid calories are the worse calories!

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    I'm thinking about (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:14:54 PM EST
    having an election watching party, the first one ever.

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    what is the (none / 0) (#6)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:23:18 PM EST
    the "Alt-Right" exactly? people are using the term as if it's an actual thing so what is it? teaparty... libertarians... populist nationalists (gasp)... what? what's the stated platform of the Alt-Right? or is it just a slur against donald trump to insinuate he's a neo-nazi or some such political name-calling like associating "liberals" with clandestine communists? like that? i dunno. can sombody explain the term?

    It's a rebranding (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:27:01 PM EST
    Campaign by white supremacists.   So yeah, it's a completely accurate slur against Donald Trump

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    oh (none / 0) (#17)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:42:47 PM EST
    trump = alt-right = white supremacists?

    cuz trump is a nazi skin-head pro-hitler fascist who wants to exterminate the jews because they betrayed the fatherland and commited deicide by killed jesus? seriously? you people... seriously.

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    I think your bus is leaving (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:44:42 PM EST
    It pulled out of the station... (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:11:36 AM EST
    awhile ago.

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    i dont know what that means (none / 0) (#20)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:01:54 PM EST
    It means "alternative right." (none / 0) (#24)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:30:29 PM EST
    It's a term that's been adopted by elements of the far right, including the radical fringe, to distinguish themselves from more traditional American conservatives.

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    so what are the stated platform and policies then? (none / 0) (#31)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 11:03:07 PM EST
    What am I -- your personal encyclopedia? (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 11:17:34 PM EST
    Look it up yourself. And for the record, I'm really not buying this faux naiveté on your part. I have a sneaking suspicion that you're trolling. As such, I'm done interacting with you here.

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    ok i did (none / 0) (#38)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 11:52:00 PM EST
    i found it on wiki.

    im hardly naive. i repeatedly mention on this blog that ive attended university and im well-educated. i feel i am challenging some of the more over-the-top posts on this blog. i am also completely astounded that my "lawyerly rebuttatals" are recieved with such hostility including accusations of being a republican troll particularly since all my initial posts on this blog were bernie supportive and the fact that i consider the gun stance by the liberals on this blog to be wholly inadequate.

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    That is not Acceptable (none / 0) (#46)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 06:41:45 AM EST
    i feel i am challenging some of the more over-the-top posts on this blog.

    And you will be dealt with appropriately.

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    Sorry (none / 0) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 06:46:39 AM EST
    Trevor but we don't think the alt-right is a thing worthy of praise. And if you consider that "being dealt with" then so be it. We are going to push back against the rotten conservative movement and all it stands for.

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    The conservative movement (none / 0) (#50)
    by MKS on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 08:11:43 AM EST
    does not really exist anymore.

    What does such a movement stand for?

    Conservatives lost the culture wars.  Marriage equality really undid them.  Religious conservatives are finished politically.

    A "robust" foreign policy.  No one seems all that eager for adventures abroad.

    More tax cuts for the wealthy and trickle down?  Not really.  Even the GOP has become economically populist.

    Into this vacuum steps Trump. And voila'  nationalism, xenophobia and bigotry is all that is left.  

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    The conservative (none / 0) (#51)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 08:19:14 AM EST
    movement as some define it really has no existed since the end of the Cold War. For decades that was their defining force. However, yes, since then conservatives have clung to the culture wars and trickle down economics as the defining issues of conservatism. And yeah, since neither of those became sell-able anymore they now are down to xenophobia, bigotry and nationalism who are people they have been bringing to the dance for half a century.  Now their dance partner has taken over.

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    I'm with you DfromH (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 08:53:55 AM EST
    This in the Rudy thread

    from my perspective... (none / 0) (#11)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 08:27:57 PM EST
    dr drew discussed this and i personally consider his analysis definitive

    Was the clencher.   I've said humor troll from day 1

    That confirms it.  No one on earth would say that seriously.

    I'm actually starting to appreciate it.  

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    Bernie supporter (none / 0) (#54)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 09:07:01 AM EST
    that loves all the Trump kids, and Dr Drew gives the definitive analysis of Hillary.

    It almost follows the textbook approach of an overseas Trump troll.

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    Definitely overseas... (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 11:26:40 AM EST
    no self-respecting American would say "i took Logic (HA!) at university".

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    Still (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 11:31:15 AM EST
    It's cute that Trevor has a "friend"

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    To me, the best explanation (none / 0) (#45)
    by BackFromOhio on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 06:36:43 AM EST
    I've heard was in Hillary's speech yesterday. The full text is online.  

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    Of all the crazy stuff (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:31:35 PM EST
    So far in this cycle Trump campaigning with Nigel
     Farage in Mississippi
    has got to be among the strangest.

    "Nigel who now?  An he don like Brussle sprouts?"

    Oh please please please, send one of Nigel's (none / 0) (#11)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:35:31 PM EST
    army to my door wth a leaflet. Can't wait!

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    Just the fact that Trump (none / 0) (#12)
    by CoralGables on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:35:50 PM EST
    is campaigning in Mississippi tells you all you need to know about the downward slope of his campaign.

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    Exactly. The people there must be thrilled (none / 0) (#13)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:37:21 PM EST
    though - when was the last time they saw a POTUS candidate in August?

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    Ronald Reagan (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:41:41 PM EST
    in 1980?

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    But important to keep in mind (none / 0) (#21)
    by CoralGables on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:11:08 PM EST
    Mississippi went blue in the 1976 presidential election in a close race. Reagan traveling to Mississippi in early August 1980 isn't like campaigning in Mississippi today. Mississippi has voted republican in the last 9 presidential elections.

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    I know it seems like yesterday (none / 0) (#43)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 05:56:48 AM EST
    But that was 36 years ago.

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    This "softening" stuff (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:38:06 PM EST
    Could really be when the bottom drops out.  

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    Also (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:40:39 PM EST
    I think it reinforces the idea that he is not campaigning to win but to build a following and an audience.

    It's bizarre really that he seems to want this relationship with the white nationalist parties of Europe.  Which is what Farage is.

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    wait... what? (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:59:40 PM EST
    the former leader of UKIP is a neo-nazi now? cuz he supported Brexit? more libertarian-esque than anything... he supports legalization of drugs and American-style gun ownership. too much Kush today? {{ hugs }}

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    You are the only person dropping the word (none / 0) (#23)
    by CoralGables on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:16:32 PM EST
    "nazi" into the discussion.

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    with all due respect (none / 0) (#25)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:30:35 PM EST
    that's what "white nationalist" means: neo-nazi. i read it on the SPLC website. why the over-the-top rhetoric? it's like the crazy-left version of the crazy-right pissy blog. it's ridiculous.

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    I dunno (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:36:25 PM EST
    but do you have a better word to describe David Duke et al?

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    i have no idea (none / 0) (#29)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:46:46 PM EST
    if david duke is a white nationalist (aka neo-nazi)  = ergo Nigel  Farage is a white nationalist? i took Logic at university. this doesnt seem very logical to me.

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    please Coral (none / 0) (#27)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:42:38 PM EST
    i dont want to argue with anyone and i value your comments but the previous poster calling Nigel Farage a "white nationalist" is simply painting him with the neo-nazi label and it's just too ridiculously over the top to not rebut. if you feel im mistaken than im sorry. really.

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    If you want to take issue with that term, then I suggest that you talk to them. Under any reasonable definition, these people are neo-Nazis. They are openly supporting Trump. And thus far, he's refused to repudiate them.

    As far as I'm concerned, Donald Trump and Nigel Farage are both political extremists who have been playing with fire, given their repeated appeals to the darkest fears and anxieties of an unsettled electorate. That Farage would go to Mississippi to campaign on Trump's behalf puts him squarely in cahoots with white nationalists.

    Please don't enable them -- or at least, please don't do it here.

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    Nigel Farage? (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 11:21:01 PM EST
    Nigel Farage openly refers to himself as a White Nationalist (Neo-Nazi)? really?

    or are you spinning this and obfuscating this? the previous poster called Nigel Farage a White Nationalist. what are you doing? are you telling me im enabling neo-nazis if i dont accept the proposition that Nigel Farage is a White Nationalist? really? really really?

    i' would be happy to list my political disagreements with Nigel Farage. the gun issue being the main one. but you really need to take a step back, have a glass of wine, and relax.  hillary is the next president. we dont need this.

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    Excuse me, but who appointed you ... (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 05:03:22 AM EST
    ... the final arbiter on the subject of racial and ethnic bigotry? There's absolutely no question that Nigel Farage is a white nationalist. Not only has he made no attempt to hide it, he campaigned on it openly during Britain's 2015 parliamentary election campaign. Your inability or unwillingness to grasp and acknowledge that fact is entirely your own problem. Please stop trying to make it everyone else's, too.

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    maybe (none / 0) (#22)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:16:01 PM EST
    he's positioning for one of his sons to run in 2020? i think that's doable.

    Heh. If you say so. (none / 0) (#28)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:43:52 PM EST
    Just my opinion, obviously, but Trump's conscious -- and at this point, stubborn -- personal refusal to disassociate himself completely from the white nationalist movement and other far-right fringe elements hasn't exactly been his wisest move in a long and storied career. Personally, I think he may have tarnished the Trump name brand beyond any reasonable expectation of salvage for the foreseeable future.

    In other words, he's screwed himself royally.

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    im obviously missing something (none / 0) (#30)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:49:47 PM EST
    cuz other than a couple completely moronic cringe-worth gaffs during the republican primary (months ago) i have no idea what you are refering to.

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    Well, you got that right. (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 11:10:04 PM EST
    You're obviously missing something.

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    that was snarky (none / 0) (#37)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 11:24:17 PM EST
    and non-responsive.

    i feel i'm the voice of sanity here. i'm amazed at the level of histrionics on this "posh lawyer" blog.

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    Don't be amazed (none / 0) (#61)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:00:55 AM EST
    But actually there use to be some informative and reasoned debates.

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    When was that, Jim? (none / 0) (#103)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 02:29:53 PM EST
    back when you were linking to Power Line, Whirled Nut Daily and the Swift Boaters For Truth and regularly accusing other posters of not "supporting the troops"?

    What I remember is a number of thoughtful, reasonable regulars here saying "either he goes or I go."

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    That's nice you "feel" that way (none / 0) (#75)
    by Yman on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:51:51 AM EST
    n/t

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    Jazz afficianados will note the passing of (none / 0) (#39)
    by desertswine on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 12:21:17 AM EST
    oh! desert swine not dessert wine. who are you? (none / 0) (#40)
    by linea on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 12:34:05 AM EST
    i listened to the youtube link and he was very talented. it is very beautiful music. im sorry he passed away. i hope at 91 he had lots of people who loved him. i feel that's all that matters in this world, people who love you.

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    Charles Blow (none / 0) (#44)
    by FlJoe on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 06:10:57 AM EST
    was just awesome on CNN, blistered some Trump surrogate "who is this guy?" and called out the "media malpractice" for even letting him spew his nonsense in the first place. Just happened so no link.

    media malpractice (none / 0) (#53)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 08:57:12 AM EST
    for even letting him spew his nonsense in the first place.

    Typical Left Winger attacking freedom of speech.

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    It (none / 0) (#55)
    by FlJoe on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 09:12:46 AM EST
    is my right and the media's duty to call out nonsense, much less enable it. Your silly interpretation of the first amendment is your go to argument to deflect any and all criticism.

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    At least he doesn't sound (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 09:14:52 AM EST
    Like he's on lithium

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    Let me double down (none / 0) (#70)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:38:57 AM EST
    Specifically the First Amendment is to protect political speech from censure by the government. Given that the media is licensed by the government then any attempt by the media to limit speech is dangerously close to suppression.

    And note what she said:


     called out the "media malpractice" for even letting him spew his nonsense in the first place.

    That is not refuting what he said. That is a call for suppression.

    That is a call for censorship.

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    Sorry Jim (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by FlJoe on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:58:01 AM EST
    the first amendment does not compel any organization to allow any random loon to spew lies, nonsense and bigotry. You are just flat out wrong, as usual.

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    Gosh thanks for making my point (none / 0) (#99)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 12:49:19 PM EST
    No private organization is compelled but news papers, protected by the Constitution, routinely have OPINION sections in which editorials and views are expressed. TV is somewhat different in that the opinion shows are not labeled as such allowing the viewer to call them biased based on the viewer's politics. So the organizations, be they print, TV or radio, have a responsibility to not suppress political speech.

    Note the construct. See the semicolons?

    or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;

    But I digress.

    However, CNN did not, despite Blow's desire, engage in media malpractice. They had every right to invite the person on and allow him to express his opinion. Just as Blow had the right to express his opinion.

    Charles Blow is calling for CNN to suppress someone's speech that Blow, and 99% of CNN's staff, disagrees with.

    Bow is against freedom of speech.

    And evidently so are you.

    "Surprise, surprise Sgt Carter."


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    He's trying really really hard (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:49:44 AM EST
    Let's try harder.  Shall we?

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    Or (none / 0) (#83)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 11:01:09 AM EST
    We can all do exactly what he wanted you to do.

    Carry on.

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    Hillary (none / 0) (#48)
    by BackFromOhio on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 07:11:05 AM EST
    appearing on Mornin' Joe at 8:30am NY time.

    Very interesting show today (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 09:31:28 AM EST
    I just woke up so I have not gotten to the interview yet but very interesting show.

    "We've reached a point where we can no longer pretend to cover this in a balanced way.  What he is doing is wrong.  It's dangerous for the country"

    "As far as the party, we are in the black box phase.  We have crashed"

    They have nothing but praise for what Hillary did yesterday.  And this is a republican show.  It's like the Jennifer Rubin (right wing WaPo writer) story linked in the last thread.  

    This is reaching a tipping point.  

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    The odious Chuck Todd (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:09:03 AM EST
    Just made an interesting point that I had missed in my excitement.

    Since Hillary took the skin off Donald yesterday not a single republican outside the Trump campaign has offered a single word of defense of Trump.

    He's right.  That's interesting.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#68)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:22:06 AM EST
    that is surprising. I wonder how many of them now regret going to the convention to support Trump?

    It sure was nice for everybody else to see the Hillary that you and I have known for quite a while now.

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    she did single out (none / 0) (#76)
    by BackFromOhio on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:51:57 AM EST
    Bush, McCain and, I think, Romney in her speech.

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    that is, she (none / 0) (#78)
    by BackFromOhio on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:54:48 AM EST
    Singled out these prominent Republicans for praise.

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    Bush McCain and Dole (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:58:43 AM EST
    Actually.   I said yesterday the speech was intended to make them choose.   I think a lot of republicans woke up this morning and realized Hillary "went there" and she will almost certainly continue going there.  And they really are going to have to choose.

    The most brilliant thing about the speech is that it contained almost no opinions and no hyperbole.  All she did was repeat their words back to them.   She did the same thing this morning in that interview.

    Btw
    On the interview IMO she gave the best responses I've heard about the foundation.   Everyone should watch it.

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    I guess I thought her (none / 0) (#86)
    by BackFromOhio on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 11:07:35 AM EST
    Speech, though brilliant strategically, was historical in that it identified how hate is being used to play on people's fears. The DT reps on this a.m. Kept claiming that she called his supporters the R word, which I don't believe she did.  

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    That too (none / 0) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 11:16:40 AM EST
    Although some comparisons are being made to the Goldwater campaign.

    Query

    DT reps?

    So far I've only heard two talking heads whine about Hillary getting the gutter.  Joe Scarborough (subtly and more in pain than anger of course) and Chris Matthews.   Tweety was very distressed over the "new tone" of the campaign.  Both clearly know their audiences.

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    She did not (none / 0) (#88)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 11:17:11 AM EST
    Call him a racist or bigot.  Intentionally, I presume, because that's where she'd lose the high ground and the rest of the message would have been drowned out.

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    I believe what BFO is saying (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 11:25:15 AM EST
    Is that Trump and his minions are saying she is calling his supporters racists and bigots.  

    He is.

    I expect a statement along the lines of "not all Trump supporters are White Supremacists but nearly all White Supremacists are Trump supporters."


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    I'm sure (none / 0) (#92)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 11:41:28 AM EST
    Frank Luntz is crafting a response as we speak. It might be a while though before we actually hear it. Running it through those focus groups takes a while.

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    Oh man, I was going to record it (none / 0) (#93)
    by MKS on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 12:13:12 PM EST
    What did she said about Foundation....

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    You might be able (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 12:24:25 PM EST
    to watch it here

    Not willing to sit through the crashes to find out.

    Good luck.

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    Whoa boy (none / 0) (#49)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 08:10:21 AM EST
    the poo flinging and meltdowns on the right today are legendary.

    Trump was right (none / 0) (#57)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 09:19:34 AM EST
    Voter fraud may exist after all. But he probably didn't count on it being from his own campaign CEO.

    Donald Trump's new presidential campaign chief is registered to vote in a key swing state at an empty house where he does not live, in an apparent breach of election laws.

    Stephen Bannon, the chief executive of Trump's election campaign, has an active voter registration at the house in Miami-Dade County, Florida, which is vacant and due to be demolished to make way for a new development.

    "I have emptied the property," Luis Guevara, the owner of the house, which is in the Coconut Grove section of the city, said in an interview. "Nobody lives there ... we are going to make a construction there." Neighbors said the property had been abandoned for several months.

    SNIP

    Bannon is executive chairman of the rightwing website Breitbart News, which has for years aggressively claimed that voter fraud is rife among minorities and in Democratic-leaning areas. The allegation has been repeated forcefully on the campaign trail by Trump, who has predicted the election will be "rigged" and warned supporters that victory could be fraudulently "taken away from us".

    SNIP

    Wilfully submitting false information on a Florida voter registration - or helping someone to do so - is a third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison.


    See? He was right (none / 0) (#60)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 09:55:32 AM EST
    Bannon is executive chairman of the rightwing website Breitbart News, which has for years aggressively claimed that voter fraud is rife among minorities


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    You're saying (none / 0) (#66)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:16:29 AM EST
    Bannon is a minority?  Or white supremacists are?  (Hopefully they ARE a minority)

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    Don't play the race card on me, jb (none / 0) (#71)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:42:11 AM EST
    You know exactly my point.

    Bannon was right.

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    It's your own words (none / 0) (#79)
    by Yman on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:57:32 AM EST
    Your quote:

    Bannon is executive chairman of the rightwing website Breitbart News, which has for years aggressively claimed that voter fraud is rife among minorities

    Followed by your claim saying that Bannon was right, with the evidence being Bannon's own Vitter registration

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    Unlike you Yman (none / 0) (#100)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 12:56:11 PM EST
    I have no political gods and am quite willing to agree when they are apparently wrong.

    You should try it sometimes.

    Now, if he had the house leased and if the lease is current the question is....where is his domicile??

    Professional athletes are required to pay state taxes based on the number of days they are in the state playing even though they may be registered in other states.

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    CG should get over to that house (none / 0) (#94)
    by fishcamp on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 12:14:10 PM EST
    and get some demolishment photos.  It could be a Pulitzer moment CG so get the background lined up.  Watch your yourself over there.  You could qualify for combat pay..

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    This is too damn funny (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 12:39:29 PM EST
    Bannon finally proved voter fraud...himself

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    I'm having fun watching (none / 0) (#59)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 09:54:22 AM EST
    Trump point out the failure of Democratic leadership in the inner cities.

    Facts are on his side. And the Demo TV Talking Heads just twist and turn. Their chief complaint is that Trump is making his charges on TV and not going to a black church in Atlanta and make them while imitating black's the way Hillary did...I cringe every time I see that.

    And I love the new commercial showing how Trump is a KKK member.....

    Wait.... that was Democratic Senator Harry "The Grand Klaxon" Byrd.

    Nastiest campaign I have ever seen.

    The debates will be sponsored by Mud  Wrestling Inc.

    In the meantime the CEO of EpiPens, Democratic Senator Joe Manchin's daughter,  explains why she has raised the price of the life saving drug/device from $100 to $600. Complicated system...

    "No one is more frustrated than me," she told CNBC

    Oh. I dunno. But I'd guess the folks who don't make $19 million a year might at least come in a close second...

    Anyway, who does she think she is, a Trump?

    I dunno (none / 0) (#62)
    by CST on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:01:10 AM EST
    From where I sit the inner city is booming these days, in a Dem city in a Dem state.

    Are there cities with problems?  Yea.  But most cities are not in any way failing, if anything they are facing a major resurgence because that's where young people want to be.  However all cities are pretty much run by Dems.  So both your good ones and your bad ones will have Dem leadership.  Of course Trump isn't really interested in anyone else's success stories.

    Maybe if we had more democrats in congress we could actually get single payer.  Not every democrat will support it, but only democrats will.

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    Perhaps the latest pharma monopoly (none / 0) (#64)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:09:25 AM EST
    gigantic price hike will shock the conscience of our legislators.

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    one can only hope (none / 0) (#67)
    by CST on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:18:38 AM EST
    although if that were the case it should've happened already.

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    And a Democrat (none / 0) (#72)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:45:57 AM EST
    shall lead them?

    Like only Nixon could go to China?

    Nope. Won't happen. A three day story and then business as usual.

    Now if she was a Repub politician's daughter...

    DETAILS AT 11 !!!!!

    Day after day after day.

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    Same here (none / 0) (#69)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:23:29 AM EST
    in Atlanta. However the truth is the areas that really failing are the rural areas and it's those areas that are attracted to Trump.

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    I give you (none / 0) (#74)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:50:47 AM EST
    Detroit, Memphis, LA, Oakland, Chicago, NO....

    And Obama had his chance but he only wanted single payer for his base because he didn't want to have them pay for it.

    Out here in flyover country the issue is fairness.

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    What about all the rural (none / 0) (#77)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:54:46 AM EST
    areas with 20% employment that governed by Republicans? We here in GA have had some of the highest UE in the nation for years yet people like you keep voting for them? What does that say?

    And "flyover" Kansas detests their Republican governor who has been nothing short of a disaster.

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    Reading comprehension (none / 0) (#84)
    by CST on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 11:01:46 AM EST
    "However all cities are pretty much run by Dems.  So both your good ones and your bad ones will have Dem leadership."

    Bush had his chance too, but he only wanted less government control over healthcare and higher prescription drug prices.  Now it looks like it will be Hillary's turn.  Maybe if you guys sent her some decent congress people to work with we'd actually get somewhere.

    Out here on the coast the issue is the economy.  And fairness in the eyes of the law, and being treated with respect regardless of your background, and not starting a nuclear war because someone sent a mean tweet.

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    By "flyover country" (none / 0) (#85)
    by Yman on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 11:02:05 AM EST
    Do you mean those states that are supported by those of us in the "donor" states?  

    Heh.

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    LA and Oakland (none / 0) (#96)
    by MKS on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 12:27:11 PM EST
    are not failing.

    Have you been there recently?

    LA proper is so yuuge and sprawling it is hard to know which part of it you are talking about.

    Just west of downtown is getting pretty fashionable these days.  The entire Valley is part of the official city of LA and it is just fine and wealthy in some areas.

    Koreatown?  I think that is a really interesting place to go.  Not at all a war zone.

    South Central?  Is that what you are talking about?  Well the not so bad either.  The new Rams stadium and accompanying development will be built in Inglewood.

    And Oakland is not doing so bad, either.   Jerry Brown as mayor (before he re-became governor) championed a downtown redevelopment project that made much of it look really quite good.  All art-deco like.  Big fish market.  Nice sandwich shops.  Office buildings and hotels.

    Jim, it seems in true Trump fashion you believe in stereotypes about "urban" areas.  News flash, people, and in particular, millennials like the big cities.  What is hurting are the small towns of rural America that are viewed as dead ends and are being hollowed out.

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    That's nice. (none / 0) (#82)
    by Yman on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 10:59:57 AM EST
    I'll be "having fun" on Nov. 9, imagining your reaction.

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    Harry Byrd for the record (none / 0) (#97)
    by MKS on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 12:32:49 PM EST
    It is the sign of a failed argument when the conservatives bring up Harry Byrd.

    Most know this already, but just to set the record straight, Harry Byrd changed.   He apologized.  For decades, he made up for his past.  He repented.  Get it?

     The Harry Byrd that Hillary talked about was the penitent Senator who worked for equality.

     

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    Are you sure you have the right Byrd? (none / 0) (#104)
    by RCBadger on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 02:36:21 PM EST
    I think you mean Robert C. Byrd, not Harry.  He's the one most rightwingers I know on and offline cite as proof that Democrats are racists.

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    Robert, I knew that (none / 0) (#106)
    by MKS on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 02:49:47 PM EST
    Insidious suggestion (none / 0) (#107)
    by MKS on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 02:51:38 PM EST
    I let Jim's error rub off on me.

    Interesting example of how repeating a falsehood can become true.

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    Who's Harry Byrd, Jim? (none / 0) (#101)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 01:16:21 PM EST
    A neighbor of yours?

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    Harry Byrd... (none / 0) (#102)
    by desertswine on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 01:34:49 PM EST
    Wait...that's the guy who (none / 0) (#105)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 02:45:51 PM EST
    posts pictures of Obama with a bone in his nose and of watermelon patches on the Whitehouse lawn..

    And seriously, what kind of mind "has fun" contemplating children growing up surrounded by poverty and violence?

    Probably the same type of mind that would have Fun putting big "Cs" on rental applications.

    The type of mind (such as it is) that could actually get inspired by someone like Trump.

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