Presidential Nonsupport

By TChris, Section Other Politics
Posted on Fri Jun 08, 2007 at 06:45:05 PM EST
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The story of the moment assures us that the sponsors of the immigration bill, secure in the knowledge that the Decider supports their tireless work, intend to soldier on despite a notable lack of enthusiasm for compromise in the legislature. The more interesting story is the right wingers' continuing separation from their fearless leader.

[T]hey now think they see in Bush the heart of a man who thinks he is morally superior to them even as his own incompetence drags them over a political cliff.

Bush infamously said, on two separate occasions, that opponents of the immigration bill are deliberately trying to "frighten" the public, that they "don't want to do what's right for America," and other calumnies - all while his Cabinet secretaries, former chief speechwriter, and other close allies have called the opponents "bigots," "nativists," "anti-Hispanic," and other insults.

There will always be Bush loyalists, but their numbers are dwindling toward insignificance. Reasonable conservatives abandoned Bush because of his fiscal irresponsibility, his incompetence, or Iraq. His newly-revealed contempt for non-monied conservatives has peeled away more supporters. More Bushies will walk away if Bush doesn't show reciprocal loyalty to the conservative cause by saving Scooter Libby from imprisonment.

Poor George. Do you think his mom still loves him? Do you suppose he cares?

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Not only isn't Bush worried about it, (5.00 / 1) (#2)
by beefeater on Fri Jun 08, 2007 at 07:15:24 PM EST

But I hear he's not running for re-election. The Democrat Party is making a mistake running against this President. I have yet to hear a positive message about what any of these candidates will do if elected. Bush is done, what are you going to do for me?

Hey BE... (none / 0) (#6)
by TomStewart on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 02:41:19 AM EST

That's the DemocratIC Party.

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: LOL (5.00 / 1) (#10)
by scarshapedstar on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 11:54:25 AM EST

Yeah. I'm sure this guy is seriously considering voting for the Democrat [sic] party. Not a whiff of Kool-Aid on this one's breath...

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Another misbegotten prophecy (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by Dark Avenger on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 10:00:20 AM EST

For starters, the public has been rejecting smoke filled rooms for about a 100 years...

I didn't know that was the meaning of bipartisan these days.

Got any more political cliches to trot out and use inappropriately, PPJ?

Why in the world didn't Bush push to get that bill enforced. Isn't that the duty of the Executive??

Perhaps he doesn't give a damn.

McCain will probably try because his run for the Repub candidate is overwith.

Yes, the same foresight that correctly predicted the last elections' results as well.

Time for a new crystal ball or whatever method of divination you've been using for your political predictions you've used so far to be replaced, but OTOH they do provide a certain free entertainment not to be found in a lot of places on the Internet.

And RR&F appreciate the Demos keeping'em stirred up and focused on winning in '08.

Actually, PPJ, it's some Repubs who kept this bill from getting through, but you are correct that the Repubs will try to blame it on the Demos.

It's a shade better than my local Repub Reps. lament that "we just didn't get our message out", but then it will take more than imaginative rhetoric to win the next election.

DA (none / 0) (#12)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 03:16:07 PM EST

yadda yadda and all that.....

As for Bush and enforcement..... I think you may be right....

Why isn't the Left outraged by this non-enforcement of the Executive of a popular law that was passed by Congress.....??

Oh yeah. It was a Repub Congress......

And it was a Repub base that shot down this misbegotten document designed to turn the US into a third world country....

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An answer or a few. (5.00 / 1) (#14)
by Dark Avenger on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 06:51:22 PM EST

Because folks on the right-hand side of the fence are likely to take criticism of Bushco into "Bush-hating", and the fact that Republicans are divided on this issue suggests that they're following the advice attributed to Napoleon Bonaparte:

When your enemy makes a blunder, do not interfere.

That's been in power up until the beginning of this year, some say that perhaps the oversight function might've made a difference if it had been utilized when they were in power, especially after 9/11, but YMMV........

And it was a Repub base that shot down this misbegotten document designed to turn the US into a third world country..

Which according to you didn't turn out in enough numbers for the last election, but that message didn't sink in until now for some of the Repubs in Congress until now, apparently.

So it's the Demos fault that the Repubs are too slow to learn the lessons of the last election.

Thanks for the laugh, PPJ.

T!

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Well done, DA. (none / 0) (#15)
by Edger on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 07:07:09 PM EST

I wonder if it hurts when he does that. ;-)

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: edger (none / 0) (#17)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 08:27:11 PM EST

Hey ankle biter, give us the link for your war strategy...We could use a good giggle.

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DA (none / 0) (#16)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 08:26:07 PM EST

Sure looks that way.

In either event, it was the Repubs who passed the bill last year, and who have defeated the bill this year. Now, what was you saying about learning????

And given that all the Repub candidates who are viable are against the bill, your definition of "split" is certainly strange.

Repeat after me. Bush is not revelant in the next election, just as Clinton wasn't in 2000.

yadda yadda

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (none / 0) (#19)
by Dark Avenger on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 09:50:15 PM EST

Thanks for pointing out the side that is engaging in politics since the election, PPJ.

It would be stranger that I used any definition of a word I didn't use in this thread.

it's some Repubs who kept this bill from getting through

Repeat after me.

Not after what I've seen it do to you.

Bush is not revelant in the next election, just as Clinton wasn't in 2000

Which is why a number of the Repub Presidential candidates distanced themselves from aWol during the last debate.

I wonder if it hurts

Unfortunately, my very limited medical knowledge leads me to believe that PPJs' breathless prose may engender headaches amoungst some people who read it as carelessly as a tenderfoot who tramps too close to a rattler on a Sierra Nevada road.

However,there are no pain nerves in the frontal lobes, so I have to say that composing prose of this sort doesn't seem to cause the generator of it any suffering, however counter-intuitive that judgement may be.

Yadda Yadda Yadda

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DA attempts to do something???? (none / 0) (#20)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 10:38:49 PM EST

I wrote: In either event, it was the Repubs who passed the bill last year, and who have defeated the bill this year. Now, what was you saying about learning????

The bill last year called for the border to be closed.

The bill this year called fror the border to be opened.

If doing the right thing is politics, I guess that is the right thing. Of course there are politics and then there are politics:

The Blue Dogs want the cover (5.00 / 5) (#4)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 12:04:37 PM EST
The Dems need to take it away.
Make the choice stark. With Bush or with Dems.

And you write:

my very limited medical knowledge

Actually, take out the "medical" and you and I agree.

I dunno, what kind of answer did you want of me? (none / 0) (#21)
by Dark Avenger on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 11:50:26 PM EST

You attempt to be humorous here all the time, but like a typical elitist, don't like any competition in the attempting department.

If doing the right thing is politics, I guess that is the right thing.

No, it's possible to play politics and do the right thing, or to do either or neither.

Here's a warning for you:

Take care to get what you like or you will be forced to like what you get. Where there is no ventilation fresh air is declared unwholesome. Where there is no religion hypocrisy becomes good taste. Where there is no knowledge ignorance calls itself science.

I am glad that you've dropped the 'split' charge, you might want to actually read and process what is posted before reacting, kinda like the old "measure twice, cut once" approach to carpentry, woodworking, etc., also works amazingly well here as well.

Actually, PPJ, I have a Bachelors of Science in Medical Science, so I know a little more than you do in this field, at least.

I agree that you're less aware of your limitations than I am mine. I don't expect a change anytime soon, but I do get the giggles at your attempts at humor.

TTFN

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DA (none / 0) (#22)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 09:33:12 AM EST

: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (none / 0) (#23)
by Dark Avenger on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 08:21:17 PM EST

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Uh, check this out... (1.00 / 1) (#3)
by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jun 08, 2007 at 08:35:22 PM EST

The Pres isn't running in '08....

Every candidate was against it

Now. Your point is??

: The point is ... (5.00 / 1) (#9)
by Sailor on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 11:20:33 AM EST

... there is no statute of limitations on war crimes.

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Hasta la Vista, Baby!!! (1.00 / 0) (#7)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 07:58:24 AM EST

The defeat was also crushing for a bipartisan group of about a dozen senators who met
privately for three months to broker
a compromise that tried to balance a call for stricter border enforcement with a way for many of the 12 million people who are illegally in the country to qualify for citizenship eventually.

As for enforcement, a law was passed last year to build a fence and close down the border.

As noted, Bush isn't running next year, so he may be dumb enough to listen to the McCains of the Repub party and push to get it back. McCain will probably try because his run for the Repub candidate is overwith.

Romney, Rudy and Fred are all against it. That's all that matters to the Repub base. And RR&F appreciate the Demos keeping'em stirred up and focused on winning in '08.

This may be news to you... (none / 0) (#4)
by jarober on Fri Jun 08, 2007 at 10:43:14 PM EST

The Republican base hates the immigration bill, a lot. And a large part of his unpopularity has to do with his long-standing desire for immigration reform that the Republican base disagrees with, a lot.

: Try to keep up. (none / 0) (#5)
by Edger on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 02:26:23 AM EST

You didn't even read TChris post, obviously.

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