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Back From Telluride, Open Thread

I'm back from Telluride (the thousands at the blue grass festival are at the bottom, this was taken from very high above it.) It's really hard to picture a more scenic spot.

The flight back was very long...I could have driven the seven hours from Telluride to Denver in the time it took to fly back (a one hour flight) due to the winds being too gusty to take off so we sat on the runway forever to wait for the winds to shift. The plane actually ran low on gas after an hour on the runway so we had to deplane while they refueled and wait for the winds to die down It's an 18 seater but it can't fly full because of weight issues even without winds. When the winds exceed 10 knots, flights aren't allowed to take off. Instead of landing in Denver at 4:30 pm, we landed at 7:30 pm.

When you do take off from Telluride, as soon as the plane lifts, the ground drops thousands of feet beneath you. It's a very eerie feeling that makes quite a few people ill. Since I knew to expect it, I enjoyed it.

I'm really glad to be home, but blogging will have to wait until sometime tomorrow after I decompress, and have organized the 300 plus photos I took, so here's an open thread.

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    Good News..... (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 09:07:28 AM EST
    These parents won't have to go to jail over their kids being kids.  Link

    From the article, a quote from my choice for a-hole of the year...

    Caroline Bourke, 53, who lives behind the Poczateks, also has complained, but said last night she wasn't surprised the case was thrown out. "I guess these days, there are going to have to be new ordinances," she said.

    Caroline...please please please, no new ordinances criminalizing childhood.  

    These whiners should consider themselves lucky they didn't live on the block I grew up on.  We had a pack of 12 kids playing in the streets sun-up to sundown in the summer.  

    SiCKO alert - Sneak Previews This Weekend (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by conchita on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 11:35:19 AM EST
    There are sneak previews of SiCKO happening across the country this weekend. I saw the film last weekend and don't think I can give it a high enough recommmendation - an incredibly important film which this country needs to see. It also needs our support, so if you don't already have plans, do us all and yourself a good turn and see this movie. Interestingly, this is what the film is all about, as Robert Weissman points out in his two part review.

    Some snippets from Robert Weissman's Part I review:

       When word got out that Michael Moore was working on a movie with the working title SiCKO, about the U.S. healthcare industry, the industry went bananas.

        Memos started shooting around, warning insurance and drug company executives and representatives to keep looking over their shoulders, to make sure they avoided being ambushed by Moore and a camera crew. Indeed, they had something to fear, for they have a great deal of needless misery and suffering to answer for.

        But it turns out that Moore didn't need them after all.

        Instead, he's made a movie driven by heart-breaking story after heart-breaking story. SiCKO presents a devastating indictment of the U.S. healthcare system by letting victimized patients speak for themselves.

        ...

        Moore's camera captures the pain, chaos and forced indignity imposed upon every day people who do their best to deal with an impossible situation.

        ...

        The publicity for SiCKO says the movie sticks to Michael Moore's "tried-and-true one-man approach" and "promises to be every bit as indicting as Moore's previous films."

        This is actually somewhat misleading. The approach is a little different. There's humor, but there aren't many gimmicks in SiCKO. There's no effort by Moore to confront industry executives. Moore himself has a much smaller role than in previous films.

        It is also a bit deceptive -- as an understatement -- to say SiCKO is as indicting as Moore's previous films. No matter how big a fan you may have been of Moore's earlier movies, you'll find that SiCKO cuts deeper and is more powerful and profound. SiCKO is, by far, his best movie.

        This is, simply, a masterful work. It is deeply respectful of and compassionate towards the victims. It seethes with outrage, but its fury is conveyed by all of the horrifying stories it presents. The narrative is, by and large, understated. It overflows with raw emotion, but manages to explain clearly the systemic imperatives that lead the
        richest nation in the history of the world to fail so miserably at delivering healthcare to all.

        Could things be different in the United States?

        Yes.

        The second half of SiCKO looks at other countries' healthcare systems, and finds that national, single-payer insurance delivers far better care. More on this in my next column.

        Sneak previews for SiCKO are being shown around the United States on June 23. The movie opens nationally on June 29. Be ready to be driven to tears and rage.

    Weissman's Part II review concludes with the following:

       From the care provided in Havana and in a touching scene at a Havana fire station, an even more profound lesson emerges: the power of a cultural commitment to care for one another. All of us for all of us, with as big an "us" as possible.

        SiCKO is not an anti-American film, though much of the right-wing chatter says otherwise.

        People in the United States do routinely pitch in for one another on a voluntary basis, Moore emphasizes. The problem is that the U.S. corporate health insurance system, the corporate-dominated economy more generally, and the ideology that undergirds both, seeks to defeat the essential insurance function of sharing risk -- of everyone helping to take care of everyone else.

        Moore offers this challenge, or plea: "If there is a better way to treat the sick ... simply by being good to each other ... why can't we do that?"

        People in the other countries visited in the film "live in a world of we, not me," says Moore.

        To varying degrees, they have created solidarity societies, and they are happier, and healthier, for it.

    Moore questions if people will say to significant others - "Honey, let's go see that healthcare documentary tonight." I hope WE prove him wrong.

    These reviews are posted at: Part I; Part II.

    And here... (none / 0) (#2)
    by desertswine on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 10:06:17 AM EST
    are the family jewels.

    Immigration and American Workers (none / 0) (#4)
    by RustedView on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 11:45:05 AM EST
    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07173/796195-28.stm

    I know this has made some rounds, I guess on Kos posted the video, and "our favorite" [read horrid sarcasm] Lou Dobbs also talked about it.

    A few things for people to consider.  One, is this an ethics violation where the attorney from C&G expressly says our goal is to NOT find a qualified American worker, where the law requires them to try and find one.

    Many tech companies are always pushing for more H1-B visas when it appears that a common tactic may very well be to ignore qualified US workers.  What do people consider the possible motivations behind this.  Personally, I believe we may be looking at a business-as-usual tactic in ensuring a docile workforce, too afraid of losing their visa to raise legitimate complaints.

    Any thoughts?

    please put your links in html format (none / 0) (#14)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 01:12:55 PM EST
    or they skew the site. Thanks. Use the buttons at the top of this comment box.

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    I heard on NPR this AM that Paris Hilton (none / 0) (#5)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 11:45:32 AM EST
    will be getting $750,000 from NBC for her first post-release interview next week.

    I Read it Was a Million (none / 0) (#6)
    by squeaky on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 12:02:58 PM EST
    How long will the interview take? (none / 0) (#7)
    by Edger on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 12:08:45 PM EST
    That should be what, about 3-5 million per hour?

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    There'll be one question. (none / 0) (#8)
    by Edger on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 12:10:53 PM EST
    Q: How did you like jail, Paris?

    A: Waaaaah. [twenty minutes of crying]

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    The debut.... (none / 0) (#10)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 12:31:34 PM EST
    of the "new" Paris perhaps, prisoner advocate and defender of the downtrodden?

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    Just Think (none / 0) (#11)
    by squeaky on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 12:38:40 PM EST
    One million to the innocence project or something along those lines.

    At this point it would come as a really, really big surprise  if she parted with one cent for public good. Her pal Nicole Richie is also about to go to jail.  

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    We can dream squeaky.... (none / 0) (#12)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 12:51:54 PM EST
    Wouldn't it be something special?  Paris shows up on the Today show in Levis and a Che Guevera  t-shirt and pledges to give away 3/4 of her inheritance to the Innocence Project and others, and announces a plan to organize a fact-finding mission to visit every prison and jail in the US.

    It would be the media event of a lifetime.

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    Yes It Would Be Quite the Event (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by squeaky on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 01:37:52 PM EST
    Although, her family would probably sue the prison for giving their daughter some weird strain of stockholm syndrome.

    She would be carted off to the looney bin and reprogrammed so she could get back to lobbying for repeal of the estate tax.

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    Next (none / 0) (#22)
    by squeaky on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 08:44:00 PM EST
    Paris interview cancelled by NBC.

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    Considering her Baba Walters interview (none / 0) (#13)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 01:12:12 PM EST
    she almost has to talk about her charitable ambitions, no? Otherwise I imagine the press would have a field day with her...

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    I'd say yes...... (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 01:44:07 PM EST
    she would have to talk about her plans to "do good with her fame", and follow through too, lest she be skewered.  Come to think of it, she'll probably be skewered no matter what she does, thats what the celebrity media does best...skewer.

    I'm cracking myself up over here picturing her pulling a Patty Hearst live on NBC.  

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    She could... (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by desertswine on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 02:40:19 PM EST
    become America's Princess Diana, campaigning against land mines or nerve gas or other horrors of war against civilians.

    Oh wait, I must be asleep.

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    Was the plane a military design? (none / 0) (#17)
    by Sailor on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 02:02:33 PM EST
    When the winds exceed 10 knots, flights aren't allowed to take off.
    Even my ultralight (with a Vne of 45 kts) had better takeoff perfomance.

    it was a beechcraft 1900 (none / 0) (#18)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 02:06:14 PM EST
    See here.

    This is what it looks like on the inside. Picture being stuck in it a few hours on the runway with the engines running.

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    is very short, and essentially ends at a cliff (down).

    It's a tough airport to fly in/out of, especially when it's hot.


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    yeah, I think I understand the problem (none / 0) (#20)
    by Sailor on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 02:23:57 PM EST
    Telluride is the highest commercial airport in the US. On a hot day with 10kts of wind behind you and one way out that could be quite a thrill.

    IMHO, It's cruel and unusual to make pax sit in those conditions for that long just to be able to say you 'pushed back' on time.

    p.s your 'inside' link resulted in "hotlink_big_no_no.jpg"

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    There's a way around the no hotlink jobbie (none / 0) (#26)
    by roy on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 10:25:47 PM EST
    It seems to work fine if you manually copy the URL to the address bar, at least in Firefox.  I guess they disallow outside referrers, but not no referrer.

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    FSO: Global Analysis with J. R. Nyquist (none / 0) (#23)
    by Edger on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 10:04:43 PM EST
    I'm not quite sure what to make of this.

    Particularly the final last paragraph.

    Today, 06.22.2007
    "War Preparations and War Strategy in the Middle East"

    The Syrian army has been mobilized and is digging defensive positions. Syrian military leaders have been meeting with Iranian military leaders to coordinate war preparations. The Russians and Chinese have been sending significant arms shipments to Syria, including advanced  MiG-31 fighters, Chinese-made  C-802 anti-ship missiles, Metis-M and  Kornet anti-tank missiles (used to stop the Israeli offensive in Lebanon last year), and sophisticated anti-air missiles.
    ...
    The Syrians seem to expect an attack on their country. The Syrian government is allegedly moving sensitive state archives out of Damascus. Rockets are being sent to the Hezbollah militia in Lebanon. What is going on?
    ...
    Iran and Syria may be militarily weak compared to Israel and the United States, but political cracks have appeared on the U.S. side. Washington may prove helpless. The Middle East is a powder keg, ready to explode. The Israelis and the Americans want peace. But every olive branch has proved a snare. The Syrians and their Iranian allies want blood. And blood they shall have. The Bush administration says the Syrians are "fueling the war in Iraq." The Iranians are doing the same.
    ...
    Iran and Syria have a mutual defense pact. Both are being supplied with Russian and Chinese weapons, and both are expecting a war by the end of summer. How will the war start?
    ...
    The strategy of Iran and Syria, like the strategy of Muslim terrorists, is manipulated by Moscow and Beijing. It is Moscow's timetable that carries the most weight. Moscow supplies the needed weapons, and the intelligence assessments. According to the late Alexander Litvinenko, a former KGB officer assassinated by Russian operatives last November, Moscow wants America to be bogged down in a Middle East war. Top leaders in al Qaeda are Russian agents. The Russians trained many terrorist leaders in Gaza and the West Bank. And Russia is well served by growing violence in Lebanon. Middle East conflict keeps oil prices high, and that makes money for oil-rich Russia. The American economy is thereby weakened.


    Nyquist writes (none / 0) (#24)
    by Edger on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 10:10:06 PM EST
    Nightmare at Reagan National Airport (none / 0) (#25)
    by Edger on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 10:20:26 PM EST
    The incident started when Monica, who left the Secret Service to raise a family, was stopped while going through airport security because there was water in her son's sippy cup. The sippy cup was seized by TSA. Monica wanted the cup back because the sippy cup was the only way her son would drink...

    So she was willing to spill the water out. Drink the water. Anything -- all that she wanted was to be able to have a cup that her 19-month-old toddler could drink from.

    Here's what happened in Monica's words:    

    "I demanded to speak to a TSA [Transportation Security Administration] supervisor who asked me if the water in the sippy cup was 'nursery water or other bottled water.' I explained that the sippy cup water was filtered tap water. The sippy cup was seized as my son was pointing and crying for his cup. I asked if I could drink the water to get the cup back, and was advised that I would have to leave security and come back through with an empty cup in order to retain the cup. As I was escorted out of security by TSA and a police officer, I unscrewed the cup to drink the water, which accidentally spilled because I was so upset with the situation.

    "At this point, I was detained against my will by the police officer and threatened to be arrested for endangering other passengers with the spilled 3 to 4 ounces of water. I was ordered to clean the water, so I got on my hands and knees while my son sat in his stroller with no shoes on since they were also screened and I had no time to put them back on his feet. I asked to call back my fiancé, who I could still see from afar, waiting for us to clear security, to watch my son while I was being detained, and the officer threatened to arrest me if I moved. So I yelled past security to get the attention of my fiancé.

    "I was ordered to apologize for the spilled water, and again threatened with arrest. I was threatened several times with arrest while detained, and while three other police officers were called to the scene of the mother with the 19 month old. A total of four police officers and three TSA officers reported to the scene where I was being held against my will. I was also told that I should not disrespect the officer and could be arrested for this too. I apologized to the officer and she continued to detain me despite me telling her that I would miss my flight. The officer advised me that I should have thought about this before I 'intentionally spilled the water!'"



    Idiots (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by squeaky on Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 12:18:57 PM EST
    Imagine if several "Monicas" were used by real terrorists all at the same time as a ruse.

    The real terrorists could just walk on the plane because all the brilliant dodos would be acting tough and making a fuss over stressed out moms, sippy cups, and a couple ozs of spilled milk.

    DO YOU FEEL SAFER NOW?

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    Caught in the middle... (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 08:59:37 AM EST
    of a power-trip, what a drag.

    Free Americans shouldn't have to put up with such crap.  I don't see how this can be blamed on the terrorists either, only on the authoritarians.

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    It was maybe heavy water? (none / 0) (#28)
    by Edger on Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 10:37:50 AM EST
    She got it from a nuclear reactor and it was going to be part of a dirty bomb. All the more dangerous because of her secret service experience and contacts, which would have given her the connections to obtain the stuff, and the 007 professional deception skills necessary to pass herself off as an innocent mother with child.

    Safety first. You can't trust anybody these days.

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    Monarchy? (none / 0) (#30)
    by squeaky on Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 01:11:46 PM EST
    Nixon must be laughing in his grave:

    Bush claims he's not part of the executive branch.

    think progress

    More on why Exec order does not exempt either of them.

    Ummmm.... (none / 0) (#31)
    by Edger on Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 01:28:03 PM EST
    When was Bush v. Gore overturned? ;-)

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    Liberal Bush style social skills (none / 0) (#32)
    by Edger on Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 01:42:42 PM EST
    From Wonkette:
    Congress joined the Bush Administration for a nice little barbecue on the South Lawn [Tuesday night]. The theme was Mardi Gras, so everybody could enjoy memories of New Orleans being destroyed by the Bush Administration and then pretty much left in that same condition years later.
    THE PRESIDENT: Kermit Ruffins and the Barbeque Swingers, right out of New Orleans, Louisiana. (Applause.)

    MR. RUFFINS: Thank you. Thanks for having us. We're glad to be here.
    THE PRESIDENT: Proud you're here. Thanks for coming. You all enjoy yourself. Make sure you pick up all the trash after it's over.



    edger (1.00 / 1) (#33)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 04:10:10 PM EST
    The theme was Mardi Gras, so everybody could enjoy memories of New Orleans being destroyed by the Bush Administration and then pretty much left in that same condition years later.

    That is very close to being the most over the top comnent I have ever heard.

    Where does the Left get such??

    Hey Wonkette!!! There was a HURRICANE.

    Oh. I forgot. The evileeeee Rover can summon hurricanes on demand.

    Gesh

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    and yet all this time has gone past and ... (none / 0) (#36)
    by Sailor on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 10:38:25 PM EST
    ... bushco still hasn't brought the city back or protected it against another hurricane.

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    Chemical "Donald" (none / 0) (#34)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 11:13:31 AM EST
    RawStory today. 'Chemical Ali' to be executed for genocide:
    An Iraqi court on Sunday sentenced "Chemical Ali," one of Saddam Hussein's notorious top former aides, to death by hanging for genocide over the mass killing of tens of thousands of Kurds in 1988.
    Rumsfeld deserves a fair trial, too, of course.

    edger - Just Rumsfeld?? (none / 0) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 06:22:50 PM EST
    Shouldn't you be pushing for the rest of those who you consider part of the 9/11 conspiracy???? Those who knew in advance all the details....

    Answer the question, edger.

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