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On Iraq: Carl Levin's Cynical And Misleading Invocation of Abraham Lincoln

The conduct of Senator Carl Levin on the Iraq War has clearly been the most disappointing and, in my opinion, most dishonorable among the "anti-war" Democrats. Today, he compounds his disrepute by misleadingly invoking Abraham Lincoln. Levin writes:

In his only term in Congress, Abraham Lincoln was an ardent opponent of the Mexican War. . . . But when the question of funding for the troops fighting that war came, Lincoln voted their supplies without hesitation.

This is incredibly disingenuous of Levin. He is misleadingly quoting a letter Lincoln wrote in 1858 while under political attack in a Senate race and trying to compare that with what he is saying and doing now. There are no pretty words to describe what Levin has done here - he has disingenuously and cravenly used Abraham Lincoln to defend his actions. Levin should defend his actions with his own honest arguments, not by the misleading tactics of the Right. He should be heartily ashamed.

Here is a particularly dishonest portion of Levin's column:

Today, some of us are facing the same dilemma that Lincoln faced: Do you fund the troops fighting a war that you oppose? I voted against going to war in Iraq; I have consistently challenged the administration's conduct of the war; and I have long fought to change our policy there. But I cannot vote to stop funding the troops while they are in harm's way, conducting dangerous missions such as those recently begun north of Baghdad. .I agree with Lincoln, who decided "that the Administration had done wrong in getting us into the war, but that the Officers and soldiers who went to the field must be supplied and sustained at all events."

(Emphasis supplied.) To describe to you how misleading Levin's quotation is I think we need to be provided a fuller measure of Lincoln's quote, which is from a letter he wrote to Joseph Medill, the publisher of the Chicago Tribune in 1858, when Lincoln was a candidate for the Senate and was being charged with "abandoning the troops" (the more things change the more they stay the same.) This was not Lincoln standing on the floor of the Congress making a speech at the time. This was Lincoln the politician, 10 years later, trying to repel smears against him. And even then, Lincoln was NOT presented with the choices Levin faces. Here is the letter, in pertinent part:

. . . I was in Congress but one term. I was a candidate when war broke out- and then I took the ground, from which I never varied from, that the Administration had done wrong to get us into war, but that the Officers and Soldiers who went into the field must be supplied and sustained at all events. I was elected in August 1846 . . . but did not take my seat until December 1847. In the interval, all the battles had been fought and the war substantially ended though our Army was still in Mexico and the treaty of peace was not finally concluded until May 30, 1848. . . . [A] man named John Henry was named to fill the vacancy [of the prior Congressman who was holding the seat Lincoln was to win] and so came into Congress before I did. . . . A bill corresponding with great accuracy to that described by the Times [the paper accusing Lincoln of "abandoning the troops"] passed the House of Representatives and was voted against by John Henry. . . .

What do we discern from all this? That this is hardly Lincoln at the height of poltical courage or wisdom. This is Lincoln fighting against a negative political attack 11 years after the fact. It is dishonest of Levin to pretend this was some principled stand Lincoln took. Lincoln himself says he NEVER took office until after the fighting in Mexico was ended! He never faced that hard vote.

But beyond that, Levin is misleading in arguing that a vote in the first year of the war would somehow be equivalent to the situation faced by the Congress today with President Bush. Through the duration of the Mexican War, the congress was in the hands of the pro-Mexican War Democratic Party. The Whigs could do nothing to stop the war. Indeed, the war ended in less than 2 years, ending fomrally in May 1848. As Lincoln wrote, he basically had nothing to vote on.

Lincoln wrote many things at many times about many subjects. I would suggest that people not look too closely at the transcripts of the Lincoln-Douglas debates that occurred on the Southern portion of Illinois. I have said this many times -- Abraham Lincoln was a poltician, doing and saying what politicians have to. Except in moments when they must stand on principle, to achieve their greatness.

Lincoln's moments of political calculation and shrewdness are not to be confused with his moments of greatness.

In this column, Carl Levin shows neither political shrewdness nor greatness. He demonstrates his feet of clay - a lack of political courage and imagination.

It is clear that Carl Levin will never be an extraordinary leader. This is no surprise. But I am surprised that Levin stooped to the misleading tactics of the Right. For this invocation of Lincoln for these disingenuous purpose did not start with Levin. It started on the Right. Levin shames himself by adopting it.

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    OT: Our Glorious Speaker steps in it: (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 10:49:41 AM EST
    here she speaks to Jonathan Singer and says:
    There's 60 votes needed in the Senate, a President's signature that's needed to change what's happening in Iraq.
    I'm about ready to give up with these people.

    It seems so (5.00 / 7) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 10:58:07 AM EST
    Personally, I think I am prepared to invoke the Founders on them re: the Spending Power and declare their asction to be an abdication of their Constitutional responsibilities.  

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    Your mission. Good. (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:02:19 AM EST
    What exactly do you propose we do? n/t (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:05:12 AM EST
    I made a Suggestion (none / 0) (#24)
    by Stewieeeee on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:18:33 PM EST
    a week or so ago.

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    Carl Levin (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by Edger on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 10:57:39 AM EST
    is also a blatant liar.

    Who knows where to even begin (5.00 / 5) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:08:30 AM EST
    ." As long as our nation's policies put them there, our troops should hear an unequivocal message from Congress that we support them.

    That shouldn't be a cause for frustration among those of us who want to bring the war to a prompt and responsible end.

    A troop lives in my house and fathered my children and I can tell Mr. Levin with complete certainty that 70% of the troops just heard him tell them to "F" off!

    Things are so totally nuts, and the only people with nuts are the soldiers in Iraq.  They currently do the most "unpopular" and the most "globally unsupported and despised is probably a better word" job description on earth as American Soldier in Iraq.  Nobody has any pride or strength to give to these soldiers.  They either have plenty of pity, or plenty of "I can't help you you are screwed", or plenty of money to give to contractors who exploit what the soldiers are doing on their way becoming Millionaires and Billionaires.  Is that really all we have to give to our troops.  Oh God how these men and women who survive this will hate us all one day when they can afford to take a moment to reflect instead of just survive.  I think I hate Levin now.  Public enemy number 1 today.

    Don't forget - (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by scribe on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:08:51 AM EST
    Levin both voted for the Torture Act, and has gone to Gitmo with his colleague Lindsay Graham to watch the bogus "tribunals" of "dangerous" teenagers.

    I think this guy's been drinking the Rethug kool-aid and turned into (or always was and is just now revealing he's) a sick f*ck and gets off on torture.  He needs to go.

    He's such a PIG (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:18:10 AM EST
    It seems our Congressional leaders have learned (5.00 / 4) (#9)
    by TexDem on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:20:18 AM EST
    the wrong lessons from the GOPpers. They have forgotten in six months that the GOPpers are out partly due to their duplicitous tactics. So what does Levin do? Adopts their tactics in an attempt to cover his cowardly actions or lack of action.

    This is absurd... (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by desertswine on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:42:39 PM EST
    because, as we all know, only Bush is like Lincoln.

    Well, and Obama. (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 01:22:44 PM EST
    Here's another Lincoln quote (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Alien Abductee on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 02:56:37 PM EST
    for Levin and all the other Dems ducking and weaving to keep from having to stand up for their convictions on Iraq:

    You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.

    Democrats were given a majority in '06 to force a change of course on Bush's war in Iraq. No matter how much obfuscation and hiding behind specious historical parallels they do they can't change that fact and the burdens it puts on them.

    If Levin really wants to support the troops he has only one way to do it - use Congress's power of the purse to defund the war and force Bush to bring the troops home. The Republicans will never do anything but block a Dem-led initiative. Levin can't seriously believe otherwise, though he hopes a gullible public will so they'll get off his case.

    I don't understand (none / 0) (#10)
    by eric on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:22:03 AM EST
    I don't understand what Levin has done wrong here.  He appears to be describing the conundrum that he is in and compares it to a similar situation faced by Lincoln - to be opposed to a war but to be afraid of the political consequences of not voting for funding.  Aren't they the same?

    Both Levin and Lincoln opposed the wars.  But both Levin and Lincoln voted (for political purposes) to vote for fund the war.

    What does this letter from ten years afterword have to do with anything?  I am not trying to be obtuse here, I just don't get it.

    This is what Levin has done wrong (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:32:10 AM EST
    He funds a war where soldiers know they are in EXTREME DANGER every single day and no obtainable goal in sight for years and years and that isn't even definite, but they deal with it and do what has to be done because the leaders of this country have made this our policy.  Carl Levin doesn't risk losing a limb or his life here but he's too afraid of the possible political consequences to do what has to be done? 60% of America would throw a party in the streets if he was only as brave as the soldiers he sends to hell and liberated them and the country all at the same time! Poor Dodd showed up at DK yesterday just wanting to talk about National Service and I don't think he meant any harm but what a manure storm he ended up standing in. The political consequences for not defunding are much much larger than the political consequences for continuing funding!  Levin is either the biggest Coward ever birthed or he's really a Republican mole.

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    or (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Edger on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:41:22 AM EST
    he's really a Republican mole.

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    Answer This (1.00 / 1) (#29)
    by talex on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 01:42:57 PM EST
    The only way to not fund the war is to not have a vote for funding. Therefore the Dems would have complete responsibility for stopping funding.

    So after the funding is stopped what happens then? What happens to the troops who no longer have any money for anything? And what happens to the nation politically?

    Now forget telling me that we will pass a bill that will fund the troops and that along with that bill we will tell Bush that is the last money he will get so he better use it for withdrawal as Mr. Armando suggests. Because if you do that Bush will just veto the bill and you are back to square one.

    Unless of course you suggest that we pass a bill and wait until the money runs out and then tell Bush he will get no money. In which case we are back to the questions - What happens to the troops who no longer have any money for anything? And what happens to the nation politically?

    You see if we fund for withdrawal as Mr. Armando suggests then the bill gets vetoed (and that is if we even have the votes to fund such a bill).

    And if we fund but don't tell Bush it is for withdrawal he won't use it for withdrawal. Then what? What happens to the troops who no longer have any money for anything? And what happens to the nation politically?

    You see this 'date certain' is a fantasy and logically cannot work. The withdrawal funding either gets vetoed or you just plain cut-off funding with no advanced notice leaving the troops high and dry.

    Please explain how you work around those details that Mr. Armando has yet to address.

    In fact no one here has addressed this.

    Anyone?

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    Talex you are talking your way (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 01:50:47 PM EST
    right into the next Vietnam.  Let us talk numbers for a moment, to stay in Iraq "National Service" will have to happen shortly after the war is funded again in September.  If the Dems fund the war and Petraeus delivers results from his efforts (and he will) then how will you guys fight not voting for the draft?  Maybe you won't huh?

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    Oh yeah, and how do we fight (none / 0) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 01:56:23 PM EST
    funding this mess.  Shut the government down!

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    And please allow me to scare you (none / 0) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 02:11:01 PM EST
    just a little bit more if you are able to feel scared at all.  The press is pretty silent but perhaps they are cuz nobody will confirm or deny much.  Because I'm surrounded by Army officers though please just allow me to inform you that for the time being we have made progress the in Sunni Triangle.  Just for today though until the "enemy" rethinks their approach to using the locals and counters us.  These wonderful results though are being carefully documented and honed and shined up with as much spitty polish as you can imagine, and it is only June.  Everytime a Sunni helps us there from now til September it will be just as carefully documented and shined.......progress from the triangle of death, a point of light here and there shining like a beacon of democracy in the darkness.  It is the way to Vietnam all over again handed to us by a General who did his dissertation at Princeton on what the French did wrong in Vietnam.  How many Generals get the chance to TRY to prove their dissertation in real life with real peoples lives?  Stop being stupid while you still have a chance please, please, please.

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    See (none / 0) (#36)
    by talex on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 02:21:11 PM EST
    Mr. Armando's 'date certain' won't work will it?

    It either faces a veto or you leave the troops high and dry as I explained above. Perhaps he has an answer to this conundrum that he hasn't addressed.

    As for your 'evasive' National Service question you are being unrealistic. There will be no draft. First of all Bush knows that a draft would effectively end this war as the public would not stand for it. Secondly congress is the only one who can approve a draft. That will never happen in a Dem congress. So now that you know it won't happen care to answer my questions?

    Andgarden - I see you cannot rebut the obvious either so you make one of your meaningless comments that is a basically non-response.

    If you guys really want to end the war you better start supporting a strategy that isn't full of holes instead of a poison pill 'date certain'. Because that is what it is - a poison pill of sorts. A veto if you can pass a withdrawal bill. And you leave the troops fundless is you try to do it on the sly. That is a no-win non-starter in either case.

    If you care to respond further you can go to the link below. I will be happy to respond there. I do this because Armando has chosen to try to limit my free speech here.

    http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/6/11/135631/424/202#c202

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    This is a terrific idea which will make Talk (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 02:29:18 PM EST
    Left a much more readable site.  Thanks.

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    Four people who agree with (none / 0) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 02:26:05 PM EST
    you at DK and one them calls themselves Madgranny. Wow

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    I won't participate (none / 0) (#39)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 02:38:24 PM EST
    in a cross-blog, cross-comment, BSathon. Sorry.

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    A conscientious objector. (none / 0) (#41)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 02:42:53 PM EST
    If you write a diary (none / 0) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 02:42:52 PM EST
    I'll make a real reply over there.  I could make many replies over there to your diary about your theory.

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    Whatever your comment limit (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 02:49:35 PM EST
    is here I will limit my comments to that amount to your diary at DK as well.

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    Booman thinks that what Levin (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 02:52:59 PM EST
    said was okay.  Free speech zone there for you.

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    I think you have a couple more chances (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 01:51:12 PM EST
    to make exceptionally long, ill informed, comments today.

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    nonsensical (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by Sailor on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 02:44:53 PM EST
    The only way to not fund the war is to not have a vote for funding. Therefore the Dems would have complete responsibility for stopping funding.
    keep sending funding bills bush will veto and tell americans the truth, bush hates our troops and refuses to sign. bush and the rethugs own the war.

    And 73% of Americans know it.

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    Lincoln did NOT vote to fund the war (5.00 / 4) (#17)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:51:40 AM EST
    because there was no ewar ongoing when Lincoln was in Congress.

    He said so himself.

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    So really he knowingly voted on giving (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:55:04 AM EST
    the troops mostly funds for redeployment.  What a concept ;)

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    I, too, found this rather convoluted. One more (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:26:29 AM EST
    edit, perhaps?

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    Lincoln never voeted to fund the war (none / 0) (#12)
    by TexDem on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:27:31 AM EST
    You need to read the post again. The war was over by the time Lincoln took office.

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    Yes, it was more or less over (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by eric on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:52:56 AM EST
    Doing a little research, I do see that the war was pretty much over by late 1847 and the treaty was signed in February of 1848.  So the point is well taken - Lincoln didn't vote to fund the war during the majority of the fighting.

    So more concisely stated - Levin is being dishonest because the only reason Lincoln voted as he did, was so ". . . that the Officers and Soldiers who went into the field must be supplied and sustained at all events" was because he knew it was over and just wanted to sustain them for a few months longer?  Do we know that?

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    Lincoln never voted to fund the war because (none / 0) (#13)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:29:39 AM EST
    he was not in Congress yet.  He was in Obama's position, I gather.

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    No - they weren't in the same position (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by annefrank on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 01:59:00 PM EST
    Obama has repeatedly voted to fund the war - and voted against timetables.


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    I was referring to the fact Obama was not (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 02:10:10 PM EST
    yet in Congress when the war in Iraq started.

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    And it was a war about our soil (none / 0) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:33:46 AM EST
    Whether or not he agreed with it the war Lincoln voted to fund concerned American soil.

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    It wasn't at the time... (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by eric on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:56:26 AM EST
    Well, it wasn't our soil until we invaded and MADE it our soil.

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    I watched the history of the Huns (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:03:02 PM EST
    yesterday on the history channel.  My daughter has the Asian flap eyelid due to her czech heritage.  One of my grandmothers was a Cherokee Indian who married a white guy.  I don't attend these debates because I never know whether to embrace myself and weep for my ancestors or slash my wrists and purge the evil coursing through my veins.

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    Take the S off of soil (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Peaches on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:48:12 PM EST
    and what you got?

    Thats why we are in Iraq, thats why we continue to spend our money there. Soil, oil, its all ours, isn't it?

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    Snark, snark, snark (none / 0) (#19)
    by HeadScratcher on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:54:19 AM EST
    BTD writes: There are no pretty words to describe what Levin has done here - he has disingenuously and cravenly used Abraham Lincoln to defend his actions.

    Then again he could simply be wrong. To do something disingenously and cravenly would take premeditation and knowledge of the error. You don't know this to be the case.

    Being wrong is not the same thing as lying or being disingenious or craven. But it does give BTD another reason to snark, snark, snark...

    Can't wait for your next post on why you hate Rudy...

    After five years of being wrong (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:59:18 AM EST
    on Iraq and in Iraq how can any of us really honestly unconsciously continue to be this wrong?  Does Levin have an I.Q. of 60?

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    No. (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Edger on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:57:37 PM EST
    He's just a liar pretending it's lower than that.

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