Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research Bill

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Other Politics
Posted on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 01:12:33 PM EST
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MSNBC reports that, as promised, President George Bush has just vetoed the bipartisan stem cell research bill.

Pushing back against the Democratic-led Congress, Bush plans to veto a bill Wednesday that would have eased restraints on federally funded embryonic stem cell research, White House spokesman Tony Fratto said. In his veto threat, the president accused Democrats of recycling an old measure that he already vetoed and argued that the bill would mean American taxpayers would — for the first time — be compelled to support the deliberate destruction of human embryos.

The bill passed with significant Republican support. Does Bush have anything to say about them? I am sure the Beltway Pundits will be decrying this Bush rejection of bipartisanship. Riiiight. I won't hold my breath.

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Idiot (5.00 / 2) (#2)
by squeaky on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 05:43:07 PM EST

God must have been talking to him again. Disease is good for the god business, and the god business is good for bush.

Politics as usual (1.50 / 2) (#1)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 03:12:18 PM EST

When you think of all the wasted motion and effort on this bill, one that the Demos knew Bush would veto, you have have no problem understanding why the Demo Congress is loosing approval.... what is it now??? 20%???

Good grief. Can they do nothing but name buildings, threaten to raise taxes and waste time???

Oh. I forgot..... they can find the time to let in 15 million or so illegal aliens... with Bush's help.

You guys are missing (5.00 / 1) (#3)
by Edger on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 06:27:38 PM EST

the perfect Right Wing Nut solution to your terror of immigrants.

Nicely authoritarian worshipping too. Fits the mindset to a "t".

Forced abortion.

Now there's a thought, huh? Might create some unbearable psychological conflicts, but wingnuts are used to living with those. They can always be dealt with using something else the right is comfortable with: denial.


Edger... You haven't a clue. (1.50 / 2) (#10)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 09:37:36 PM EST

You really don't. I'm not opposed to embroyonic stem cell research, and you can't find a thing that says otherwise.

I'm not even opposed to federal funding for it.

What I am opposed to is a Congress that wastes their time and my money. Everyone in the world knew that Bush would veto that bill.

So what you have is both sides playing to their base. In the meantime a host of problems remained unaddressed.

Grow up Edger and at least know my position before you make an inane attack.


You'll need a quote from me (none / 0) (#11)
by Edger on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 09:41:44 PM EST

saying that you're opposed to embroyonic stem cell research, ppj.

To avoid being a liar again, you know?


edger (1.00 / 1) (#12)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 10:57:13 PM EST

Here are two quotes from my past..

Typical. Jondee - My point is that Bush recognizes that his base doesn't want it. Great. He will be done, and we'll have a new Pres.. It is called Democracy...

I'm not against the research, I just understand why those who oppose it, are. And again. The research is not banned. It is just not government funded. Which, to me, is probably best given government's ability to muck up things, and create organizations that never die, but just exist to stay in existence.

Send money and I'll do links.


: So? (none / 0) (#14)
by Edger on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:36:53 AM EST

You still need a quote from me saying that you're opposed to embryonic stem cell research, ppj.
Without one you're simply a liar.
But you knew that.
And I knew you weren't as intellectually deficient as you appear.
Or are you?

Today on NPR some politico referred to (none / 0) (#4)
by oculus on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 06:51:54 PM EST

stem cells as "boys and girls." That sounded unbelievably nonsensical.

Not just any politico. (none / 0) (#5)
by Edger on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 07:00:57 PM EST

Bush said it. Considering it came from him it sounds believeably nonsensical.


Usually when I heard his voice, my entire nervous (none / 0) (#6)
by oculus on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 07:03:10 PM EST

system goes on red alert. How did I miss that?


It was last July when Bush said it. (none / 0) (#7)
by Edger on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 07:09:28 PM EST

I guess it's a standard talking point now?


I wonder if his summer reading list includes: (none / 0) (#8)
by oculus on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 07:26:02 PM EST

Never Let Me Go, by Kazuo Ishiguro?


Too funny. (none / 0) (#9)
by Edger on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 07:56:45 PM EST

Bush reads?


: oculus (none / 0) (#13)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 10:59:08 PM EST

You wanted to know why I stick around??
Read Edger's comment.
Who could leave such learned comments??

And has condemned people to wait for treatments (none / 0) (#15)
by Nowonmai on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 05:09:44 AM EST

Or possible cures for:

Spinal cord injury
Brain damage
Alzheimers
M.S.
A.L.S.
Nerve Damage
Parkinsons
Huntington Chorea
Sydenham Chorea
Motor Neuron

This is just to name a few.

Maybe someone should tell him that giving the green flag to stemcell research would bring in a lot of money. Millions and millions, if not billions, which he could siphon off to fund his pet war.

I find it ironic that he vetoes research that could save countless lives, while going full steam ahead for an illegal war that is killing tens of thousands. But I guess those lives, living breathing people, don't count.

And just for the record, even though fundies seem to be heading toward life starts with "dinner and a movie", I don't consider a blastocyst a 'life'.

: Nowonmai (none / 0) (#16)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 08:39:02 AM EST

I find it ironic that he vetoes research
Uh, Bush didn't veto research. He vetoed federally funded research.
As you may not know, the vast majority of any type of research is privately funded.
Embryonic stem cell research is on going as we speak. So is adult stem cell research. Neither is illegal.
I have no particular problems with federal funding of any research, neither am I a big fan. There are many tasks that the gov can and should do. Giving it a larger and larger say in what should be brought to the market has potential for great harm.
I find it interesting that this has been largely "movie star" driven. Perhaps Hollywood should band together and start a foundation. I would be happy to contribute a few bucks, just as I do to other worthy causes.
You??
Of course we could pass an obscene profits law and tax all movie profits at say, 90%..... We could also pass a law that says movie stars can't own/lease private jets, and that the money saved must be contributed to the foundation.... That would be a double dip. Research and helping fight global warming. (attempt at humor alert)
;-)
BTW - I think adult stem cell research has produced treatments for a fair number of diseases.
Embryonic research has produced none. I have no idea why that is so.

I'm (none / 0) (#17)
by Claw on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 06:10:15 PM EST

Pretty sure that the reason embryonic stem cell research hasn't produced as many treatments as it could have is the restriction to a very few stem cell lines and heavy restrictions on that kind of research. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
And Bush called stem cells "boys and girls?" Really? Even for him that's monumentally stupid. You know, if a republican gets elected President I'll be very, very upset but at least the republican candidates seem to sort of be able to think, you know? That's all I really want. A President who doesn't make your average highschooler look like Hawking.