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With all the activity this week, I forgot to do an open thread. Here it is. You pick the topics, we'll all just read along and respond.

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    turn about is fair play (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Sailor on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 12:12:12 PM EST
    Poll: Most Republicans Reject Evolution
    WASHINGTON, June 12, 2007

    (AP) The three Republican presidential candidates who indicated last month that they do not believe in evolution may have been taking a safe stance on the issue when it comes to appealing to GOP voters.

    A Gallup poll released Monday said that while the country is about evenly split over whether the theory of evolution is true, Republicans disbelieve it by more than 2-to-1.

    A statement released by Evolution says that the reverse is also true. Evolution has rejected most republicans.


    Evolution has rejected most republicans. (none / 0) (#4)
    by Edger on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 12:21:19 PM EST
    Now it begins to make sense (5.00 / 0) (#17)
    by Sumner on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 02:08:01 PM EST
    In Bush's Saturday speech he said he doesn't want America "to return to the tax-and-spend era." (Which interestingly enough, is an era he had once called providing for "a surplus for as far as the eye can see".)

    Of course he doesn't want America "to return to the tax-and-spend era."  Read: "Protect the Haves at all cost!"

    In fact, some theories hold that virtually all of the smoke-and-mirrors of this administration is to further the massive transfer of the nation's wealth into the hands of the Haves, that essentially every mystery of the current administration can be explained if but examined in this light.

    That is why the JUNE 15, 2007 edition of Bill Moyers Journal on PBS was so on point, so apropos. Bill Moyers gets it. His guests in this edition, (Andy Stearn & Grace Lee Noggs), get it. They explain the rebellion, they explain the revolution.

    Now it begins to make sense.

    Video (5.00 / 0) (#32)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 01:55:23 PM EST
    Bill Moyers On The Libby Sentencing: "Begging His Pardon ":
    It is well-known that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby - once Vice President Cheney's most trusted adviser - has been sentenced to 30 months in jail for perjury. Lying. Not a white lie, mind you. A killer lie. Scooter Libby deliberately poured poison into the drinking water of democracy by lying to federal investigators, for the purpose of obstructing justice.


    Meanwhile.. (1.00 / 0) (#31)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 01:05:20 PM EST
    Agent Orange contamination is still a problem in S.E Asia. And chickenhawk (the one bird species thriving) contamination is a bigger problem than ever in the U.S.

    Hans von Spakovsky: somethings to do to stop him (none / 0) (#1)
    by BlueStateRedhead on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 11:38:44 AM EST
    My first posting at this site that keeps me hopeful and progressive, with hopes that it starts a discussion, or more:

    at the Muck, a suggestion from a Jane that I summarize:

    Von Spakovsky is a member of the Tennessee and Georgia Bars.  That they required him to explain how Von Spakovsky justifies the signature of Shelton Bradshaw days after Bradshaw left on the letter contrary to DOJ policy.

    "it might be worthwhile."

    IANAL but what do the Ls think of its worth?

     The disciplinary agencies for these states are:

    GEORGIA

    William P. Smith, III.
    General Counsel
    State Bar of Georgia
    104 Marietta Street, NW
    Suite 100
    Atlanta, GA 30303
    404/527-8720
    FAX: 404/527-8744
    Website: www.gabar.org

    TENNESSEE

    Lance B. Bracy
    Chief Disciplinary Counsel
    Board of Professional Responsibility
    of the Supreme Court of Tennessee
    The Oaks Tower, Suite 730
    1101 Kermit Drive
    Nashville, TN 37217
    615/361-7500
    800/486-5714
    FAX: 615/367-2480
    Website: www.tbpr.org

    http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003426.php#more

    Defunding Iraq: (none / 0) (#3)
    by Edger on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 12:17:43 PM EST
    Misperceptions, Disinformation And Lies
    Many Americans are under the impression that the US currently has about 145,000 active duty troops on the ground in Iraq. What is seldom mentioned is the fact that there are at least 126,000 private personnel deployed alongside the official armed forces. These private forces effectively double the size of the occupation force, largely without the knowledge of the US taxpayers that foot the bill.

    Some contractors make in a month what many active-duty soldiers make in a year. Indeed, there are private contractors in Iraq making more money than the Secretary of Defense and more than the commanding generals.

    Would you support the Congress' setting a binding withdrawal date of March 31, 2008 by announcing that after March 31, 2008 (or an earlier date), it will not fund the Iraq War?

    Vote Yes or No (poll at bottom of post)



    Christian, Muslim or Jew - (none / 0) (#5)
    by Edger on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 12:46:01 PM EST
    An Extremist Is An Extremist
    Security think tank EastWest Institute has issued a report that according to the AP shows:
    Violent Muslim, Christian and Jewish extremists invoke the same rhetoric of "good" and "evil" and the best way to fight them is to tackle the problems that drive people to extremism,
    and
    extremists from each of the three faiths often have tangible grievances -- but they invoke religion to recruit followers and to justify breaking the law, including killing civilians and members of their own faith.
    We should always be aware of extremism in our backyard, if they are willing to kill and have their unruly conviction in thier God behind them, then they are in fact dangerous.


    News Flash from Edger (1.00 / 1) (#9)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 09:14:17 AM EST
    With thinking like this from the link to the Dkos diary by BluGrrl Edger astounds us with this previously unknown fact:

    While this report shows many of us something we have already suspected for years - it helps shed light on the fact that Islam is not the only religion that can be radicalized, all religion can be radicalized in the wrong hands.

    The depth of such analysis is truly astounding. Thank you Edger. Thank you BluGrrl.

    Perhaps the next thing you will tackle is telling us why the current ratio of terrorists is about a million radical Muslims to one Jew/Christian.

    In the meantime I want to note that flight schools in the US have a very large number of Christians and Jews currently enrolled. However, the schools acknowledge that the students all seem to have as much interest in learning how to land as taking off.

    Edger reports and he has decided.

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    you don't call it terrorism ... (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Sailor on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 12:30:30 PM EST
    ... when you own the armies. But the US and israel support terrorist acts all over the world in addition to using their armies to kill civilians of other religions.

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    STOP lying, ppj. (none / 0) (#12)
    by Edger on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 11:08:41 AM EST
    Edger (1.00 / 1) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 12:43:36 AM EST
    You know this stuff can't be made up.

    I mean the depth of your analysis just astounds me.

    Imagine.... Any religion can have nut cases!!!! Wow and gosh!!!

    That is almost as good as:


    In cases where a serious insurgency cannot be managed, the state and its supporters might consider an approach designed to deliberately encourage the insurgency to mutate into something less dangerous such as an organized criminal organization. This is never desirable, but there may be rare instances where organized crime is less of a threat than sustained insurgency. Call this strategic methadone. [p.52]

    Link

    Yes folks, edger recommended the above as a viable WOT strategy.  Let's look at what it says..

    First a serious insurgency that can not be managed is an insurgency that is winning.... So, what is the plan??? Well, we can't defeat them, so we will make them mutate into criminals...

    Tell me Edger, how do you do that? Religious nuts who are bent on turning a country into a Islamic theocracy are winning, and your plan is to turn them into criminals???

    How, Edger? How??? Come on, don't be shy. Will the earth magically travel though an area of the universe that has "turn the radical Moslem terrorists into standard size criminals" cosmic ray being emitted

    Edger, you like to call people liars. You like to yap about marginalizing them, and then you present this stuff as evidence of your great intellectual capacity???

    You are a joke, Edger.  Yap on, Edger. Yap on. You have reached your nadir and you don't even know it.

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    why does ppj ... (none / 0) (#20)
    by Sailor on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 05:22:19 AM EST
    ... continue to be allowed to make nothing but personal attacks in violation of TL's rules?

    Parent
    What ppj objects to Sailor, (none / 0) (#21)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 07:31:46 AM EST
    and post his smears because has is afraid of it and is unable to mount any substantive argument against it, is this:

    A Radical Notion Worth Considering...
    Posted by --Blue Girl at 11:09 AM, Friday, June 8, 2007
    The Out Of Iraq Bloggers Caucus

    Dr. Steven Metz, Chairman of the Regional Strategy and Planning Department and Research Professor of National Security Affairs at the Strategic Studies Institute [of the US Army War College] has a radical idea on how we can deal with the Iraqi insurgency that is claiming ~30 American GI's per week. Stop fighting insurgents and propping up an inherently weak government; and instead concentrate on peacekeeping and neutral mediation.
    Metz' report, titled "Rethinking Counterinsurgency", is a 76 page .pdf document:
    At the strategic level, the risk to the United States is not that insurgents will "win" in the traditional sense, take over their country, and shift it from a partner to an enemy. It is that complex internal conflicts, especially ones involving insurgency, will generate other adverse effects: the destabilization of regions, resource flows, and markets; the blossoming of transnational crime; humanitarian disasters; transnational terrorism; and so forth. Given this, the U.S. goal should not automatically be the defeat of the insurgents by the regime (which may be impossible, particularly when the partner regime is only half-heartedly committed to it), but the rapid resolution of the conflict. In other words, a quick and sustainable outcome which integrates most of the insurgents into the national power structure is less damaging to U.S. national interests than a protracted conflict which leads to the complete destruction of the insurgents. Protracted conflict, not insurgent victory, is the threat. [p.50]
    And
    In cases where a serious insurgency cannot be managed, the state and its supporters might consider an approach designed to deliberately encourage the insurgency to mutate into something less dangerous such as an organized criminal organization. This is never desirable, but there may be rare instances where organized crime is less of a threat than sustained insurgency. Call this strategic methadone. [p.52]
    What Dr. Metz proposes is a radical new approach to the way we think about counterinsurgency. Nothing like this is found anywhere in the current doctrine. However, the defense community must apply some new thinking to the problems at hand. No one ever got out of a jam by applying more of the same thinking that got you in trouble in the first damned place. Stubbornly continuing to fight the last war, even though it is obvious that it isn't working, is not the kind of thinking we need right now.


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    edger (1.00 / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 10:40:44 AM EST
    Your problem is that since you have no belief in the US, you start grasping for such comments.

    At the bottom of your arguments there is a base belief in some almost mystical ability that if only the world would listen to you all would be fine, and Edger would reign wisely over all.

    You are an elitist, and as such you are a sucker for such "theories."

    That's why you suck in such "words of wisdom and of rhyme that can mean anything at anytime..."

    Come Edger, tell us how you can negotiate with organizations that tell you up front that they want to rule the world.  

    How can you change them to common criminals??

    Giving us the bio doesn't feed the bull dog good buddy.

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    Ask (5.00 / 0) (#27)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 10:59:57 AM EST
    The Strategic Studies Institute of the US Army War College.

    I guess you have no faith now in the US military.

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    Answer the questions (1.00 / 0) (#33)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 02:44:42 PM EST
    It's your strategy, your link.

    Face the world with a grin edger. You've been trapped demonstrating your total lack of understanding.

    And yes folks. Edger did link to the article....

    And yes folks. The writer wrote that... and yes, I know it's hard to believe...


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    I'm sorry, ppj. (none / 0) (#36)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 03:03:51 PM EST
    I've done everything I can do to assist you with your comprehension difficulties.

    If you still don't get it, maybe the problem is with "you", not "it"?

    You think? (sorry, dumb question)

    No one expected you to get it.

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    edger (none / 0) (#38)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 06:17:54 PM EST
    No one expected you to get it.

    Hmmm. Since you used it to answer my question about your WOT strategy, can we say that if the rays and/or holy water doesn't work try getting them a subscription to the NYT??

    Ooooops... They already have that.

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    Well, ppj (none / 0) (#40)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 06:49:21 PM EST
    I referred you to The Strategic Studies Institute of the US Army War College, because they are professionals whose knowledge and ability I was confident you would have great respect for given your endlessly repeated claim to be a single issue guy so concerned with national security, and since they are the U.S. Army's institute for geostrategic and national security research and analysis and they provide direct analysis for Army and Department of Defense leadership.

    But I guess since you have no faith in them and the US military, any other thoughts that I might have on the subject you would dismiss even more nonchalantly than you do theirs.

    Unfortunately, I'm forced to conclude that there just isn't anything anyone can do now to help you, ppj.

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    edger (1.00 / 1) (#41)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 09:32:17 PM EST
    That you believe such stuff as this makes my point. It is your link. Your strategy. You whipped it out as if it were God's own truth.

    You have no connection with reality when it comes to terrorists and the real world.

    One more time...

    Tell me how you convert terrorists to criminals... after all, you claimed it as your strategy..

    Secret Rays? Holy water?? Blessings from the Pope??

    Chlorine in the water?

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    Impeachment (none / 0) (#45)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 10:40:43 PM EST
    or hanging works for me, ppj. You?

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    He's probably even more afraid of this: (none / 0) (#22)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 07:36:12 AM EST
    There are ::billions:: of them - not millions. (none / 0) (#13)
    by Edger on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 11:11:25 AM EST
    You know that. Ann's told you that a million times.

    If we don't bomb them over there, somewhere, anywhere, they'll swarm the beaches, overrun the land, kill everyone in their beds, and replace the constitution with Sharia Law, as soon as they smarten up enough to buy explosives to blow up an airport before they're arrested on the word of a paid FBI collaborating infiltrator. If they can get the pizza store to deliver a map of the airport. And there's hordes of 'em. Billions. Just ask AC.

    Only Rudy can save the world. Have faith.

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    On reflection (none / 0) (#14)
    by Edger on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 11:21:52 AM EST
    There has been so much growth of liberal progressivism at Talkleft over the years that I've been here that I'd like to make a suggestion to everyone.

    It think it's time to remove the "s" from the plural term "wingnuts", and replace it with the singular "wingnut".

    It's more descriptive of the reality here, imo.

    I know ppj would agree. Anyone else?

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    EastWest (none / 0) (#6)
    by Edger on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 12:48:31 PM EST
    With God On Our Side (none / 0) (#7)
    by Edger on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 03:25:29 PM EST
    Evangelical Christianity On Steroids In Military:
    "The rise of evangelical Christianity inside the military went on steroids after 9/11 under this administration and this White House," Weinstein said in an interview. "This administration has turned the entire Department of Defense into its own personal faith-based initiative."
    Video: Jason Leopold interviews Mikey Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, a nonprofit government watchdog...

    The US needs foreign aid? (none / 0) (#8)
    by Edger on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 06:12:10 AM EST
    While the price tag for killing almost a million Iraqis and killing and maiming more than three thousand Americans in The Iraq Debacle and making Bush's friends obscenely rich beyond their wildest dreams while their supporters giggle and drool their way through their trolling fishing trips here and elsewhere approaches half a trillion dollars... Mayor Nagin and the city leaders of New Orleans have received just over half of the $320 million FEMA has obligated for rebuilding city infrastructure and emergency response related costs. The city has estimated its damage at far more than that - at least $1 billion.

    $1 billion? $1 billion? Approximately ONE FIVE HUNDREDTH of the money Bush and Cheney have spent creating the Iraq Debacle.

    Bush's administration has not only been unwilling to provide the aid that New Orleans needs, it continues to block foreign aid offers.

    NEW ORLEANS -- The cash-strapped city of New Orleans is turning to foreign countries for help to rebuild as federal hurricane-recovery dollars remain slow to flow.

    Kenya Smith, director of intergovernmental relations for Mayor Ray Nagin, said city leaders are talking with more than five countries. He wouldn't identify the countries, saying discussions were in the early stages. But he said the city is "very serious" about pursuing foreign help.
    ...
    Discussions with foreign representatives have been occurring off and on since the storm, but Smith said the city became re-engaged after a news report in April that millions of dollars in aid offered by foreign countries after Hurricane Katrina went unaccepted.

    It wasn't clear how much of the $854 million in aid originally offered remained on the table. In Katrina's wake, Cuban President Fidel Castro's proposal to send more than 1,000 medical personnel to New Orleans was among the offers of aid.

    Compassionate Conservat(dry heave)ism.

    Wouldn't that be something.... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by kdog on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 09:21:49 AM EST
    America pays to destroy all and rebuild some of Iraq, while other countries pay to rebuild New Orleans.

    Put that in the "you can't make this stuff up" file.  Classic.

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    Typical republican deal (none / 0) (#11)
    by Edger on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 11:00:16 AM EST
    make someone (else) pay.

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    He wouldn't identify the countries... (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by desertswine on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 01:21:16 PM EST
    But one of them is reported to be Saudi Arabia. Thank you Prince Bandar, send us some of the millions you glommed up from the British defense contractors.

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    edger (1.00 / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 12:56:04 AM EST
    Since you brought Castro into the conversation, let's revisit a product of that lovely person..

    "And then we saw Che unholstering his pistol. It didn't seem possible. But Che raised his pistol, put the barrel to the back of the boy's neck and blasted. The shot almost decapitated the young boy

    Aren't these lovely people you like to do business with?

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    let's revisit (none / 0) (#23)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 10:37:29 AM EST
    Aren't these lovely people you like to do business with?

    I don't think so, ppj. But I know how much you love that kind of stuff.

    Is that what it takes to do it for you, ppj? That's sick.

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    edger (1.00 / 1) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 10:43:26 AM EST
    Well, if you don't think so, why bring it up??

    After all, I thought you wanted to marginalize all the bad guys??

    Oh... I forgot... Castro's Cuba has no bad guys....

    except of course, those Castro has put in prison... or killed.

    At the end of the day you are known by the company you keep.

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    You brought it up ppj. Not me. (5.00 / 0) (#26)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 10:53:41 AM EST
    I brought up the fact that that Cuba offered to send more than 1,000 medical personnel to New Orleans to help when Katrina devastated the city.

    I know you don't like offering help to devastated people either. That's sick too, ppj.

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    Edger (1.00 / 0) (#34)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 02:51:36 PM EST
    In my world it works like this.....

    I don't accept an offer for charity made by a dictator who has killed thousands, imprisoned even more and suppressed all political dissent for the past 41 years in the name of a failed political philsophy, but was really just another killer retaining power.. especially since the city, NO, on its worst day could do whatever it wanted...

    NO and LA in general have had, and continue to have, an appearance of acceptance of corruption. "The Big Easy" has described the overall situation very well in many minds.

    If you find me hard hearted, so be it.

    And yes, I continue to support shooting looters who shoot a first responders.

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    Don't be so hard on Bush, ppj. (5.00 / 0) (#35)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 03:00:09 PM EST
    He's jes' a good ole boy. He's one uh yorn.

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    At the end of the day (none / 0) (#37)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 03:25:25 PM EST
    you are known by the company you keep.

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    edger (1.00 / 0) (#42)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 09:41:20 PM EST
    I understand. That's why I like to get people to read this link.


    In cases where a serious insurgency cannot be managed, the state and its supporters might consider an approach designed to deliberately encourage the insurgency to mutate into something less dangerous such as an organized criminal organization. This is never desirable, but there may be rare instances where organized crime is less of a threat than sustained insurgency. Call this strategic methadone. [p.52]

     Is this how you convert them from radical Moslems terrorists to organized criminals????

    "Hey! No more jihad but we'll give you all the dope business on the west side......"

    or

    "Earth to moonbats! Earth to moonbats!"

    Sorry... I just can't quit laughing.

    You the man!!!

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    Ya gotta love (none / 0) (#28)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 12:01:37 PM EST
    how the term "elitist" is bandied about by those whose thought for the week is always fully vetted by by a Scaife or Coors funded think tank before it goes to A.M talk radio and all the right wing blogs seemingly simultaneously.

    According to the Audobon (none / 0) (#29)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 12:15:15 PM EST
    Society and U.S Geological Survey,"twenty different common bird species - those with populations more than half a million and covering a wide range - have seen populations fall at least in half since 1967..Audobon Chairman Carol Browner ( a liberal with a success-punishing agenda, no doubt) called the declines 'a warning signal'"

    The sky dosnt need to fall on Chicken Little, it's already part of us and we're part of it.

    No problems no grants... (1.00 / 0) (#43)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 09:47:24 PM EST
    Audubon Society, noting that the work of the division, with a budget of around ... is financed almost exclusively through license sales and federal grants. ...


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    And if pipes dont break (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 18, 2007 at 02:25:34 PM EST
    plumbers are out of work; if there was no WOT you'd have to get off your tired a*s and onto the neato reenactment circuit.

    So it's up to you Rush to provide one shred of scientific evidence that Audobon and the Geologic Syrvey are somehow perpetrating a commie hoax.

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    Is that sand you (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 18, 2007 at 02:28:37 PM EST
    keep your head perpetually buried in good for the complexion, Jim? Just asking.

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    Presidential Stone Walls... Crumbling? (none / 0) (#30)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 12:47:00 PM EST
    NYT Editorial this morning (via truthout)
    The template for the Bush administration's mania for secrecy was signed by the president six years ago - Executive Order 13233, reversing the presumption of right of public access to presidential papers.
    ...
    Mr. Bush's order would be rescinded by a proposal approved overwhelmingly in the House in March and now making its way to passage in the Senate. The White House, of course, is vowing to veto any final bill.
    ...
    The administration insists that only 64 of more than two million pages have been sealed thus far. They would be a good place to start reading once Congress re-establishes the public's right to know.



    edger (1.00 / 0) (#39)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 06:23:53 PM EST
     
    They would be a good place to start reading once Congress re-establishes the public's right to know

    Yeah. There may be something they haven't published that the terrorist shouldn't know...

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    Terrorist(s)? Good point, ppj. (5.00 / 0) (#44)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 09:49:26 PM EST
    You're too late though, as usual.

    They already know about it all.

    Isn't it nice of Mr. Bush to alert Osama when half our security forces are given the day off? Hmm. I asked an Israeli security expert why his nation doesn't use these pretty color codes.

    He asked me if, when I woke up, I checked the day's terror color.

    "I can't say I ever have. I mean, who would?"

    He smiled. "The terrorists."

    Would you like another drink, ppj?
    So, Osama Walks into This Bar, See? and Bush says, "Whad'l'ya have, pardner?" and Osama says, "Well, George, what are you serving today?" and Bush says, "Fear," and Osama shouts, "Fear for everybody!" and George pours it on for the crowd. Then the presidential bartender says, "Hey, who's buying?" and Osama points a thumb at the crowd sucking down their brew. "They are," he says. And the two of them share a quiet laugh.


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    Edger (1.00 / 1) (#46)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jun 18, 2007 at 12:19:02 AM EST
    So in order to confound the terrorists you believe we shouldn't warn the people?

    Hey, goes along with the terrorists to criminals conversion theory...

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    BTW - edger (1.00 / 1) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jun 18, 2007 at 12:24:01 AM EST
    BTW - Do you understand that if they tried to use a confidental warning system how out of hand things would get??

    Can you imagine the stock market?? Can you imagine rumors about say, terrorist plots to blow up a travel destination????

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    ppj doesn't understand (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Sailor on Mon Jun 18, 2007 at 05:04:03 PM EST
    Do you understand that if they tried to use a confidental warning system how out of hand things would get??
    Can you imagine the stock market?? Can you imagine rumors about say, terrorist plots to blow up a travel destination????
    the current system is only used to gin up support for bushco when yet another travesty is revealed on how they operate.

    But you can only fool all of the people some of the time and eventually (as in 'now') 70% of Americans have figured it out.

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    And (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 18, 2007 at 05:45:43 PM EST
    the other 30% still cant spell Iraq.

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    Actually, I think he understands (none / 0) (#52)
    by Edger on Mon Jun 18, 2007 at 05:49:52 PM EST
    perfectly.....

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