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Posted on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 02:59:54 PM EST
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Dave "Mudcat" Saunders is a Democratic political operative who hates "elites." That's why, in his first post at Time's Swampland, he defended Joe Klein's plea for no jail time for Scooter Libby.

This comment captures the mood:

Posted by Carneyvore June 11, 2007

Shorter Mudcat:

"Metropolitan Opera Wing" Democrats are losing the rural vote because they are being too hard on Joe Klein for carrying water for rural hero, Scooter Libby.

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    I think Joe Klein is a personal friend for Mudcat (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by teacherken on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 03:15:12 PM EST
    I remember a brief conversation with Klein at an event for Jim Webb the night before he was sworn in, and he was planning to have dinner with Mudcat as soon as the event was over.

    If so, that may have some impact.

    Mudcat was as Ykos2006 in Las Vegas - Steve Jarding was supposed to come but broke a foot and could not travel and Mudcat filled in for him.

    that's certainly possible jim (5.00 / 0) (#15)
    by cpinva on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 11:59:49 AM EST
    Maybe they're trying to tell you something???

    however, i suspect that, were i to go to western spotsylvania county, or louisa county, both less than 100 miles south of DC, and both still considered rural, less than 1 or 2 people out of 10 would have a clue who mr. libby is.

    further, i submit that all 10 would be surprised to discover that he's a hero to them.

    in light of this, i believe it isn't just me. :)

    btw, no reasonable person realistically expected a slim democratic majority congress to clean up, overnight, the huge mess created by the white house, and condoned/funded by a republican majority congress.

    that train left the station 6 years ago, it's going to take some time to get it stopped.

    cpinva (1.00 / 0) (#16)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 12:27:41 PM EST
    both less than 100 miles south of DC, and both still considered rural, less than 1 or 2 people out of 10 would have a clue who mr. libby is.

    I think you underestimate the power of satellite...

    Your excuse for the Demos is that Bush has been around 6 years? And that is the reason the Demos can't get anything done??

    The problem is they would rather do some partisan hacking than something to serve the people.

    Feel free to say the Repubs do it too. I won't argue.

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    I really don't care for Mudcat (4.00 / 1) (#2)
    by andgarden on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 03:20:46 PM EST
    It's not just the subtle homophobia; it's his perpetuation of the mistaken belief that there's much we can do about the south.

    I hope he takes this back, but I expect he won't.

    I always chuckle when (1.00 / 0) (#14)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 10:22:25 AM EST
    I see the Demos trashing someone from the South who is trying to tell them how they might have a chance at winning a few states, and a national election..

    The truth is that you had rather be, in your own minds, righteously right. That is the same attitude that, in general, you bring to the war, and the Demo congress..

    Me? I just like to get some things done that need to be done that I think we could do. NHC, etc., etc.

    Instead you get nothing. Congratulations.

    All politics is yokel (none / 0) (#3)
    by Ellie on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 03:24:00 PM EST
    Oh, so Dem political meta strategy, beltway insider baseball and the fascinations of doofuses like Joe Klein is what they're jawin' about at Cletus's still, huh?

    By an astonishing coincidence, that's the exact cud I chew when the girls down at the crick pause during laundry day and they get me started on how I, too, hate the elites.
    .

    Uh huh (none / 0) (#4)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 03:36:39 PM EST
    You don't do your clothes in the creek. You take the water from the creek and carry it up to the kettle, build a fire, throw in some lye soap and boil the clothes, followed by a good scrubbing on the scrub board and a rinsing in some fresh creek water...

    And don't forget to get your wash water upstream from where the animals drink, and other things... and your drinking water upstream from the wash water spot..

    As for cuds... everybody I know favors Sweet Garrett.

    ....and the Left can't figure out why they can never win the south...

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    Well dang that is a sweeter chaw! (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ellie on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 03:58:00 PM EST
    everybody I know favors Sweet Garrett

    A little out of my league though. We favor Old Nic -- the womenfolk, that is. It produces a stream of black gold so thick and righteous, the only way they'll pry the last tooth in my head out of my cold dead gums is with a ballpeen hammer -- and it's been tried, just so those drawers-wearin know it alls from snootville know we're not adverse to the scientific approach down in these parts.

    [/seriously I'm getting SFA done this afternoon while waiting to see where this IMO pointless Gonzales wrist slap is going]

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    edger doesn't know.... (none / 0) (#8)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:21:17 PM EST
    Hmmm, well by golly I never heard of anybody chewing snuff, but to each their own I always say.

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    You snuff your cud/chaw???? Well aren't you ... (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ellie on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:43:08 PM EST
    ... swank!

    We chew our cud around here.

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    Cud you pass the chew??? (1.00 / 0) (#10)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:52:51 PM EST
    Having considered all the variations, belching up partially digested food and chewing it doesn't strike this Southern boy as particularly appealing.

    Perhaps it is a New England thing. All those long winter nights and such.

    But I do highly recommend Snuff as a birth control and diet aid....

    ;-)

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    Re "Metropolitan Opera Wing" Democrats: (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 04:29:41 PM EST
    Ouch.  The shoe fits.

    I learn from the Big Orange that (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 05:15:21 PM EST
    Mudcat is Edwards' man in the South.  Didn't know that.

    i wasn't aware (none / 0) (#11)
    by cpinva on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 01:25:29 AM EST
    that mr. libby was a huge rural hero? when did this transformation occur, and why wasn't i informed?

    of course, what else do you with a (purportedly) grown man, who willingly goes by a nickname, especially one as dorky as "scooter"?

    cpinva (1.00 / 0) (#13)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 08:46:59 AM EST
    and why wasn't i informed?

    Who knows? Maybe they're trying to tell you something???

    ;-)

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    Rural Hero??? (none / 0) (#18)
    by squeaky on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 02:01:23 PM EST
    I doubt it.


    When a cable TV program in Manchester, N.H., included offensive Jewish stereotypes this summer, some in the area weren't surprised when, a few days later, a local synagogue was defaced with anti-Semitic graffiti. Or when, around the same time, extremist groups distributed hate literature in several other New Hampshire communities.

    Anecdotal evidence indicates that such incidents are on the rise across the country......

    .....The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) estimates that the number of racist skinhead groups in the United States has doubled over the past year, and that the Aryan Nations has 11 new chapters. The SPLC tracked 751 hate-group chapters in 2003, 43 more than the previous year.

    More recently, the Anti-Defamation League warned that right-wing militia activists have been recruiting members and mobilizing new groups or cells in at least 30 states as well as on the Internet.

    CS Monitor

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    squeaky (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 03:15:12 PM EST
    What you are saying is that people are influenced by what they see, read, hear, etc.

    Well, thank you for agreeing that the demonstrations against the war, Reid declaring it lost, etc. gives the terrorist a boost.

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    Quite a Leap there ppj (none / 0) (#21)
    by squeaky on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 03:34:09 PM EST
    Apples and Tire Irons.  The troops are fighting for democracy. That doesn't include censoring the press.
    Iraq war supporters have repeatedly claimed that U.S. troops are harmed when Congress debates alternatives to the Bush administration's failed policies in Iraq. "Think about the message we have sent them," House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) said recently. "We have undermined their efforts, lowered their morale, and clearly sent the wrong message." Vice President Cheney said the war debate was "detrimental to our troops."

    Today, however, Army Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute, President Bush's proposed "war czar," disregarded these claims.

    LEVIN: Do you believe, General, that the debate that we've had in the Congress on amendments that call for troop reductions starting at a certain point or -- that those debates undermine the troops?

    LUTE: Senator, I know of no evidence of that.

    I believe the sort of people that are serving in American armed forces today understand the democratic process. And, in fact, that's what we've sworn to protect and defend.

    And when they see it play out here in Washington, they understand that. And they're driving on with the mission they were given.

    LEVIN: So is it your answer, then, you do not believe that...

    LUTE: I don't believe it undercuts their morale.

    LEVIN: Thank you.

    He is not alone, Pace, et al, has also said the same.

    Think Progress

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    Squeaky is ducking an weaving.... (none / 0) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 06:31:32 PM EST
    From your own link:

    When a cable TV program in Manchester, N.H., included offensive Jewish stereotypes this summer, some in the area weren't surprised when, a few days later, a local synagogue was defaced with anti-Semitic graffiti.

    You further made the point:

    The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) estimates that the number of racist skinhead groups in the United States has doubled over the past year, and that the Aryan Nations has 11 new chapters. The SPLC tracked 751 hate-group chapters in 2003, 43 more than the previous year.

    Now I said nothing about people not being able to demonstrate, say the war is lost, etc...

    I just noted that you had agreed with me that such actions,according to your own link:

    gives the terrorist a boost.

    That of course is based on your own links.

    Lute, who you quote, said nothing about terrorists. He was saying that congressional discussions didn't undermine the troops morale.

    Do I think he is correct about this totally different subject?

    Well, if he was across the desk from me I'd say:

    Where in )(&%W%$Q&MFini(38q0 heck is your head at General?

    I

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    Your analogy (none / 0) (#32)
    by squeaky on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 09:35:04 PM EST
    Is quite bogus. The white supremacists have an entirely different motivation than the US soldiers do. US soldiers are fighting for US values and democracy. That means a free press. The troops moral is directly affected by the horrible conditions in Iraq and the the obvious lie that we are liberating anyone.

    It is clearly 21 century colonialism, nothing less.

    The neo nazis do not want a free press, they are the ones who support your view regarding the troops being harmed by any American debate about the war.


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    squeaky squrims (none / 0) (#33)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jun 13, 2007 at 08:42:19 AM EST
    Nope, I'm not gonna let you change the subject.

    My original comment was about the radical moslem terrorists and how, as your link showed, they are encourged by what anyone can see as signs of dissension over the war in the US.

    It had absolutely positively nothing to do with the troops.

    I pointed out that Lute's comments about the troops, which you use to try and defend your first statement, is just that. Lute's comments about the troops.

    Note the difference. .... Ayran Brotherhood, skinheads, etc. encouraged by TV broadcast.. Further defined by the SPLC. YOUR quote.

    My comparsion is that radical Moslem TERRORISTS will also be encourged by dissension in the US.

    The terrorist groups are not the same. No one said they were.

    What you, through your link and comment proves is that people react positively to information they see as helpful for their cause. The terrorists are people.

    Most of us have known that to be true for years. Congrats on catching up.

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    Stupid logic (none / 0) (#12)
    by Domino on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 02:25:18 AM EST
    Those who consider Scooter Libby to be a hero would never vote for the Democrats unless they are DINOs.

    There (none / 0) (#26)
    by jondee on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 04:54:43 PM EST
    are just as many salt of the earth, God fearin', rural living people in New England, the Pacific Northwest and the Great Lakes states as there in the self-mythologized, self-romanticized South; regardless of what New Canaan country (club) gal Ann Coulter and plain speakin' good ole boy David Brooks say. And they tend to vote Democrat; so called populist appeal aside.

    You think you got your as*'s kicked 150 years ago by the Harvard Glee Club, ppj?

    Jondee (1.00 / 0) (#30)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 07:07:52 PM EST
    1. The issue isn't something that happened 140 years a go.

    2. The issue isn't how many rural folks live outside the south.

    3. The issue is why the Demos can't carry the south.

    4. Thanks for demonstrating why.

    I can always depend on you.

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    Lose the one line insults please (none / 0) (#34)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jun 13, 2007 at 12:53:04 PM EST
    I've deleted a string of them. Please don't waste my bandwidth with that stuff.  You all know better.

    Do you have any way to control replies that (none / 0) (#35)
    by oculus on Wed Jun 13, 2007 at 01:40:35 PM EST
    scroll so far off to the right of the page that each line=1 word?  

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