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Sadr: US Should Leave Iraq

Muqtada Al Sadr demanded US withdrawal from Iraq today in his first public appearance in four months:

The powerful Iraqi cleric Moktada al- Sadr surfaced in his home base of Kufa in southern Iraq today, delivering a sermon in a local mosque after what American intelligence officials called a four-month sojourn in Iran.

The cleric, addressing a large crowd amid heavy security, called for American forces to leave Iraq and for the Iraqi government to make sure that the Americans leave as soon as possible. He called for and end to fighting between his own Mahdi Army and Iraqi forces and police, asking his followers to conduct peaceful demonstrations instead.

. . . Mr. Sadr’s appearance came as the American military announced today that six more soldiers had died in Iraq, five on Thursday and one on Tuesday, according to Reuters. April was the worst month this year for the American military since the invasion, with 104 soldiers killed. About 90 have been killed in May so far.

Not a new position for Sadr, but the timing makes for an interesting development to say the least.

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    Maybe The Iraqi's Are (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by talex on Fri May 25, 2007 at 10:42:02 AM EST
    our quickest way out.

    This is not the first time al- Sadr has called for the end of the occupation and it won't be the last.

    In fact it was he who sponsored the recent draft bill voted on in Parliament:

    144 lawmakers signed onto a legislative petition calling on the United States to set a timetable for withdrawal, according to Nassar Al-Rubaie, a spokesman for the Al Sadr movement, the nationalist Shia group that sponsored the petition.

    "Lawmakers demanding an end to the occupation now have the upper hand in the Iraqi legislature for the first time; previous attempts at a similar resolution fell just short of the 138 votes needed to pass (there are 275 members of the Iraqi parliament..."

    Of course this is a non-binding resolution and although it can be forced to be brought to the floor there are ways for the PM to sidetack it. But still it represents 65% of the populations desire to see us leave. Which just might make Bush want to eat his words in the Rose Garden press conference on Thursday someday.

    We are there at the invitation of the Iraqi government. This is a sovereign nation. Twelve million people went to the polls to approve a constitution. It's their government's choice. If they were to say, leave, we would leave.

    It is sounding like we won't have an invitation for long Chimpy.

    Thanks to a--Sadar and the Iraq Parliament maybe they are a quicker ticket out than Date Certains or Veto Proof Majorities.

    Gen John Batiste (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Peaches on Fri May 25, 2007 at 11:44:55 AM EST
    Today on Democracy Now

    Tough decision [To speak out]. As you said, both grandfathers served. My father served multiple times, career infantry officer. Myself, a West Point graduate, thirty-one years in the military. Decision was made in my quarters in Germany in the summer of 2005.

    You see, we got this war terribly wrong. I'm not antiwar at all. I don't support MoveOn.org. That's the reason I joined Vote Vets. This is all about getting it right. This is all about recognizing that it's not about timelines and deadlines. It's more about recognizing that this administration got the national strategy so wrong in Iraq, wrong in March 2003, wrong today in May 2007. This administration failed to mobilize this country in any way, shape or form to complete the important task of defeating worldwide Islamic extremism, global terrorism.

    ...For a moment, I had doubts. Remember where I came from: West Point graduate, thirty-one years in the Army. We take an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States and to obey the orders of the President and the officers appointed over us when we're commissioned. That's the reason I chose to get out of the Army, before I started to speak out.

    But any moment of doubt was quickly eclipsed with absolute certainty that I knew what I was doing, it was the right thing to do, and it is important to keep speaking out for our country, for our incredible military and their families, who are bearing the brunt of this war. The military is the only element of our national strategy that this administration is focused on. It seems to me they've all but forgotten about the diplomatic, political and economic hard work that needs to be done before the military is even committed and concurrently to accomplish what needs to be done. It's absolutely outrageous.



    Micael Gordon (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by squeaky on Fri May 25, 2007 at 11:50:25 AM EST
    Has zero credibility in my book.

    He may as well be working for the WH.

    The cleric had left for Iran after the Bush administration announced its new security push in January, and his militia immediately went underground, in an apparent effort to outwait the Americans and avoid a head-on clash. Members of his political party, however, say he never left.

    al-Sadr in Iran? Where did he get that info?

    According to American officials familiar with intelligence reports, Mr. Sadr slipped into Iraq almost a week ago and was recently at Kufa, his home base near Najaf.

    Oh, anonymous government officials. The same ones that told you about the Aluminum tubes, Mr. Gordon?

    Despite his efforts to present himself as an Iraqi nationalist....
    What utter BS, al-Sadr is nothing but an Iraqi Nationalist. Is this supposed to imply, supported by the above misinformation,  that he is a Iranian operative?

    Recently, Mr. Sadr has been taking a different tack. His supporters have met with Sunni Arab tribal leaders from Anbar Province who have been feuding with the insurgent group Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia.
    More BS as this is nothing new. He has been appealing to the Sunnis since the beginning of the occupation.

    American officials presume that Mr. Sadr, in returning to Iraq, has been assured by the Maliki government that he will not be detained. The United States appears to be taking a wait-and-see attitude, hoping that he will be more flexible in practice than his fiery speeches would suggest. While some American officials expect him to rally support for an American departure from Iraq, others say they hope he may seek some sort of accommodation.

    Translation: will he also turn his back on the Iraqi people and ask the US to stay longer. Absurd.

    Still, not even American officials privy to classified intelligence on Mr. Sadr's return pretend to be certain what he has in mind.....

    .....One matter of speculation concerns how long Mr. Sadr intends to remain in Iraq. One theory is that he may make an appearance to impress his supporters, condemn the American occupation in a Friday sermon and then head back to Iran

    More BS and innuendo. The only reason al-Sadr went into hiding was that the Americans have desperately been trying to assisinate him. His message has always been crystal clear so there should be no doubt what "he has on his mind".

    US forces out of Iraq and Sunnis, Shia's and Kurds come to the table and reclaim their great country.  Simple as that.

    Nothing new here. Gordon is not a Journalist, he is a propagandist for the Bush WH.  I wouldn't be surprised to find out that this entire story is a fabrication.

    WaPo (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by squeaky on Fri May 25, 2007 at 12:38:37 PM EST
    Thomas E. Ricks and Sudarsan Raghavan write at WaPo a more balanced assessment.

    Compare this from WaPo which is accurate:

    Sadr's apparent reemergence comes days after his main Shiite rival, cleric Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, went to Iran for treatment of lung cancer.

    To this which is a half truth:

    Some Americans also suggest that he may be trying to take advantage of the absence of one of his main Shiite rivals, Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, who has come to the United States for medical treatment.

    al-Hakim is Bush's man and has been for a long time.  Gordon wouldn't want to use his name in the same sentence with "Iran" though, would he. That might tarnish his name. It is ok for Gordon to speculate a rigourously denied claim that al-Sadr was hiding in Iran while it is fine to omit the fact that al-Hakim is in Iran right now. A country that he chose to get treatment for lung cancer because much of his family is there.  

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    Squeaky writes: (none / 0) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 26, 2007 at 02:26:43 PM EST
    US forces out of Iraq and Sunnis, Shia's and Kurds come to the table and reclaim their great country.  Simple as that.

    Uh, could you provide me some examples of "great country??"

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    Pick Up A History Book (none / 0) (#19)
    by squeaky on Sat May 26, 2007 at 02:32:14 PM EST
    Squeaky (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 26, 2007 at 03:10:11 PM EST
    Nope. You shot your mouth off.

    Give me some examples of what Iraq has done for you to call it "great."

    If you can not, kindly admit that you are wrong.


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    solipsism (none / 0) (#21)
    by squeaky on Sat May 26, 2007 at 03:34:43 PM EST
    Give me some examples of what Iraq has done for you to call it "great."

    You reveal yourself all to well. Greatness is only great if it does something for you?

    The world centered around ppj.

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    You are the one making claims!! (none / 0) (#22)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 26, 2007 at 05:13:06 PM EST
    It really is a simple question.

    You wrote that Iraq is a great country...

    I ask for some proof.

    You can't provide a single link.

    That is called being unable to prove what you claim.

    Rather poor performance, eh??

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    Okay (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Repack Rider on Sat May 26, 2007 at 05:24:40 PM EST
    You wrote that Iraq is a great country...

    I ask for some proof.

    They invented agriculture, the wheel, symbolic writing and the concept of codified laws.

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    RePack (none / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 26, 2007 at 06:45:55 PM EST
    Uh, okay...

    That makes:

    Iraq was a great country 2700 years ago.

    Of course it wasn't even Iraq.... but details, details...

    Link

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    Try Google (none / 0) (#25)
    by squeaky on Sat May 26, 2007 at 07:27:29 PM EST
    You can't provide a single link.


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    Squeaky - to stay out of trouble (none / 0) (#26)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun May 27, 2007 at 02:57:21 PM EST
    Try it like this.

    First: Engage brain.

    Second: Open mouth.

    Third: Speak.

    Repeat after me:

    Iraq is not a great country. Had some good things 2700 years ago.

    That puts a whole new meaning to:

    "What have you done for me lately."

    Ta Ta

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    Not Disneyland Yet (none / 0) (#27)
    by squeaky on Sun May 27, 2007 at 03:24:08 PM EST
    Millions travel to Iraq each year because of Iraq's greatness. YOu and your fellow corrupt americans are trying their very best to destroy that country and turn it into a disneyland.

    What do you know about great things anyway. Seems to me that your ability to assess cultural greatness is limited to the poker table, first class travel and five star hotels.

    Sounds the very definition of superficial to me.

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    Squeaky (none / 0) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun May 27, 2007 at 09:49:51 PM EST
    Sounds the very definition of superficial to me.

    Spoken by someone who evidently has never enjoyed a 5 Star Hotel, First Class Travel and the thrill of competition....

    Trust me. That's better than explaining to a terrorist that you only came to see the greatness of Iraq 2700 years ago, hate Bush and...

    PLEASE DON'T CHOP MY HEAD OFF OH GREAT ONE...PLEASE...


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    ppkakakaKreskin (none / 0) (#29)
    by squeaky on Sun May 27, 2007 at 10:30:02 PM EST
    Amazing
    Spoken by someone who evidently has never enjoyed a 5 Star Hotel, First Class Travel and the thrill of competition..
    Hahahahhahaha

    You have no idea what you are talking about. ppjakaKreskin

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    So what are the chances... (none / 0) (#1)
    by magster on Fri May 25, 2007 at 10:22:07 AM EST
    ...that that provision in yesterday's capitulation re: if they ask us to leave, we'll leave, might force some drawdown?  Can Sadr allies force a vote.

    Question (1.00 / 2) (#2)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri May 25, 2007 at 10:26:03 AM EST
    Would you really want to be considered an ally of Sadr??

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    Question (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri May 25, 2007 at 10:27:42 AM EST
    Do you know how to read? The comment was "can Sadr allies force a vote?" In the Iraqi Congress.

    For the freaking record, the Bush Administration was "an ally" of the Maliki government which, until recently, included Muktada Al Sadr.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#4)
    by dead dancer on Fri May 25, 2007 at 10:29:54 AM EST
    Correction (none / 0) (#6)
    by talex on Fri May 25, 2007 at 10:48:04 AM EST
    For the freaking record, the Bush Administration was "an ally" of the Maliki government which, until recently, included Muktada Al Sadr

    The Iraqi government still includes Al Sadr with voting seat in Parliament. In fact it is those seats that keep al-Maliki as PM.

    What you might be referring to is that al-Sadar withdrew his people from Ministries in the government - but he did not lose any power to vote and make law as a result of that. Ministries in Iraq are the equivalent of 'Secretary of Departments' here in the US.

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    And the question was...... (none / 0) (#7)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri May 25, 2007 at 10:52:37 AM EST
    Can I read?? Well, yes.

    The question was:

    Would you really want to be considered an ally of Sadr??

    I thought the reader(s) would understand that question, does Sadr actually have allies that would want to be identified with him, while at the same have enough "oomp" to do anything.

    Sorry you found it difficult.

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    Here is a Chance (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by squeaky on Fri May 25, 2007 at 11:18:14 AM EST
    For you to test your favorite theory. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Don't you usually repeat that line once a month or so?

    Sadaam killed al-Sadr's father. al-Sadr hated Sadaam. He would have of loved us had we cared one hoot about the Iraqi people and not proven to be a dishonest and corrupt occupiers rather than liberators.

    But instead we tortured, imprisioned and killed his countrymen. Worse than Sadaam. Now he wants us to leave as do 90% of the Iraqi people.

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    dishonest (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Sailor on Fri May 25, 2007 at 11:53:00 AM EST
    I thought the reader(s) would understand that question, does Sadr actually have allies that would want to be identified with him
    No, it was your standard attempt to equate anyone who is against the war with being anti American.

    And Sadr not only has allies he is a leader in the iraqi government with more individual power that the PM of iraq.

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    Apparently yes (none / 0) (#15)
    by Al on Fri May 25, 2007 at 08:35:06 PM EST
    See my comment below about Al Sadr's approach to the Sunnis.

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    The US military was right about this guy (none / 0) (#13)
    by downtownted on Fri May 25, 2007 at 07:55:23 PM EST
    when they went in the first time to neutalize his army and neutralize him as well. The Politicos, and it had to come from the White House, recoiled in horror that the post invasion military might undertake and win an important fight against an insurgent Iraqi killer.  Called off the Sadr mission and the troops have paid the price ever since.  The military was ready to put this very nasty man out of business.  Look what his is, and does, today

    Al Sadr also seeks an alliance with the Sunnis (none / 0) (#14)
    by Al on Fri May 25, 2007 at 08:31:45 PM EST
    According to this BBC report,
    "I say to our Sunni brothers in Iraq that we are brothers and the occupier divided us in order to weaken the Iraqi people," he said.

    "In unity is strength, and in division weakness. We say to them, welcome at any time.

    "I am ready to cooperate with them at all levels. This is my hand I stretch out to them - in so doing, I seek only God's satisfaction."

    He has already begun by signing an agreement with a Sunni group called the Anbar Awakening Council. And the vice-president of Iraq has expressed his satisfaction.

    they should have destroyed him, and (none / 0) (#16)
    by cpinva on Sat May 26, 2007 at 04:34:12 AM EST
    his militia early on. just another screw up by the present occupant of the oval office.

    Gosh (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by squeaky on Sat May 26, 2007 at 11:42:25 AM EST
    You sound just like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson here. Are there any other national leaders, judges, or civilians you want dead?

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