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The "last round" of the Great Netroots Debate, about which I wrote previously here and here, seems to have taken place at TNR, with Jon Chait exchanging salvos with Chris Bowers, Matt Stoller, Rick Pearlstein and Ezra Klein. There is a lot there but I found Ezra's piece outstanding and was very interested in Jon Chait's response which actually identified two real dilemmas the Left blogs face today. Chait wrote:

[Klein] tries to defend the netroots' treatment of internal enemies, like TNR or the DLC . . . Having decided that TNR and the DLC are enemies, they go on to accuse their enemies of being monolithic institutions, of being tools of the right, and so on. I understand the reasoning. They have decided that their foes are more hindrance than harm. But, from there, they proceed to banish all cognitive dissonance: They wildly inflate the sins and studiously omit any mention of the countervailing evidence. Once you have become an unperson to the netroots, you can do no good. Admitting any countervailing evidence would just complicate their Manichean argument. Klein wants to defend their means by changing the subject to their ends.

First, Ezra did NOT say that but I think the description is somewhat, but not totally, accurate, for a goodly portion of the Left blogs. But there is a good reason for this as I will explain on the flip.

It surprises me that Chait misses the reason for this treatment. He mentions it himself:

Once the movement has settled on a position, it will not tolerate members who side with the opposition. I'm not saying that the position itself is unprincipled. I'm describing a tactic they use to advance it. The inability of Bowers and Stoller to distinguish between the morality of their ends and the morality of their means is a good example of the phenomenon I'm describing.

And politics is like that. Politics is not beanbag. What Chait seems not to grasp still is that however much he wishes the game were different, it is not. Again, his reliance on Norquist as a supposed doppelganger of the Netroots fails to appreciate the basic point I made in my first piece:

It is not admiration that the Netroots expresses here. It is dealing with the reality of the situation. Chait mistakes understanding your political adversary, what you are up against, with admiration. No one wants the nation so divided politically. Everyone wishes we could all be reasonable. But only a fool acts as if the world is how he wishes it to be.

Chait WISHES Grover Norquist and his ilk did not exist. But they do. TNR and the DLC wish it. And by acting as if what they wished were the actual case, they did serious harm to the Democratic Party and even to the issues they support.

Kevin Drum told him this and Chait did not absorb it:

Chait makes an obvious point: netroots bloggers are advocates. Their goal isn't to tell both sides of the story or to engage in dispassionate inquiry. Contrarianism isn't seen as a virtue for its own sake. They have a point of view, and their goal is to marshal the best arguments they can come up with to advocate for that point of view. Political calculation is part of the game. This is unremarkable. In fact, it's so unremarkable that Chait could have simply said this in a paragraph or two and then moved on. It's not as if anyone would argue the point. But instead of doing that, he spins this idea out to nearly 3,000 words using language that seems deliberately designed to be as loaded as possible.

And because of this advocacy role, the undermining of the political advocacy by supposed allies, like TNR and the DLC and Joe Lieberman, etc., are seen as particularly harmful. And they are. The term Fox News Dem is not just catchy, it means something. Oh by the way, Chait plays the innocent if he is arguing that TNR and the DLC are not themselves full of willful blindness and invective as well. They seemed to enjoy the skirmishes when it suited them.

As for the idea of the Netroots turning someone into an unperson, I think there is too much of that. But sometimes what else is there to do. Take David Broder for instance. But for the most part, it is not a good thing to do.

Jon Chait is a gifted writer and thinker and the Netroots SHOULD engage him. Peter Beinart wrote a good book and he was engaged. Joe Klein has improved markedly, ironically since he began bloggin imo, and folks are engaging him and Karen Tumulty in positive ways I believe.

My final point is one that Chait alludes to but does not draw out - the marriage of the Left Blogs to the political fortunes of the Democratic Party, as it exists today. The biggest threat to the Netroots, imo, is cooptation by the Democratic Party. I am one who is at risk of this as well. I believe the Democratic Party is the only political vehicle for progressive change. But I try to limit my utterly partisan cheerleading for the election season. Unfortunately, I think some in the Netroots now treat the election season as all the time. There is no offyear for some.

To me, when Chait compares the Netroots to the Right Wing, he missed this as the biggest risk. It is not that the Netroots will war with erstwhile political allies, but rather that it will fall in line with all pronouncements Democratic. But then, I am fixated on Iraq so perhaps my perspective is skewed on this.

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    asdf (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by oculus on Thu May 10, 2007 at 07:26:47 PM EST
    Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you. -- Pericles (430 B.C.)


    Excellent! (none / 0) (#1)
    by Kewalo on Thu May 10, 2007 at 03:30:00 PM EST
    I think it is great that you are staying on top of this, thank you.

    When I first read the Chait article I was astounded at what I thought he got all together wrong. First I just couldn't understand how he could possible think that the netroots admired the right. That totally blew my mind.

    It also suprised me he did so little research on our demographics. He came very close to describing us as the pj clad kid in the basement. He would have an entirely different view if he had gone to YearlyKos. We were very diverse but we were mostly adults about 40. Very few really young people, and while I realize that economics may have played a part at keeping young people away, it seems to me that I read blogs everyday written by my age group...over 40.

    But what I am delighted to see other people addressing is the statement that truth didn't mean anything to the netroots. I can only speak for myself, but if I thought a blogger was lying to me, or even shading the truth I would not frequent their blog. And I actually think I am speaking for most of us.

    So, thanks again for keeping me updated on what is going on. This blog is on my daily round of reading and it is because I think I read the truth here.

     

    BTD, time to post on Iraq supplemental nightmare (none / 0) (#2)
    by fairleft on Thu May 10, 2007 at 03:31:52 PM EST
    coming down. Looks like Bush is getting flexible on those meaningless 'benchmarks'.  


    trying to marginalize net w/ frames from (none / 0) (#5)
    by seabos84 on Thu May 10, 2007 at 07:27:00 PM EST
    DLC sell outs ... sounds to me like that is what he is doing.

    here are a couple of broad generalizations leading to my point that the DINOS / DLCs / Blue Dogs gotta go.

    1. I more or less trust the claims that many of the net rooters are relatively educated and affluent.

    2. I get trashed / ignored on the net for my perspectives, imho, cuz

    too few of relatively affluent / educated people do NOT know what the hell life is like at 25 grand for 1 or 40 grand for 3 or ... more? um, they are affluent, not perpetually broke deciding tween tires, teeth,... kid's teeth. Reading 'nickled and dimed' is noble, but, it ain't living on nickles and dimes.

    3.
    a. those DLC / DINO / Blue Dog sell out f$$$s have been incredibly successful at staying in charge for 3 decades while,
    b. for hte rest of the bottom 80 or 90%, it is harder to move up the ladder, harder to stay where you are on the ladder, and a LOOOOOOT easier to fall down the ladder, and REAL easy to be off the ladder,
    c. the affluent can afford to wait 3 or 6 months, A-F$$$ING-GAIN, that is AGAIN, for the latest greatest excuse, cuz ... they are affluent.

    4. EVERY bad policy, rule, regulation, law costs me time, which is money, OR money, OR time and money.  That is Money I can NOT invest in my finanical security, I can NOT invest in retraining skill security, I can NOT invest in health security ... and all that money got stolen by the exxons and the halliburtons

    AND the DINOS and BLUE DOGS and DLCers stood by,

    AND they made excuses,

    AND they got paid well.

    screw this jackass with his 3000 words dumping on the netroots - in a fair world he'd be delivering pizza ... no ... never mind,

    in a fair world the people who bring me my pie would make a living wage and would have beyond penury retirement, they would have retrianing opportunities and health care access, cuz, ya know what, they are doing something useful by providing a service tens of millions of us use.

    this rich boy synchophant should be pounding rocks.

    Robert M. Murphy
    PCO 36-1392