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Minneapolis to Steal Pigeon Eggs to Force Extinction

Minneapolis seems to be the domestic news hotspot today.

With the Republican convention scheduled to hit town next year, officials are worried about pigeon poop. So, they are going to send officials up to rooftops to spring out through trap doors and steal the pigeons' eggs after they are laid and before they hatch.

"We'll build them little condos. We'll keep taking the eggs, and they won't have little ones," said Bill Stephenson, the city's animal control supervisor. "Slowly they'll die off."

The scheme has the blessing of the St. Paul Audubon Society. Member Val Cunningham said pigeons aren't native, and their eggs aren't protected. If the plan works, "it would be sweet for the city," Cunningham said.

They considered but decided against contraceptives because they didn't want to sterilize eagles or hawks by mistake.

I've never lived in a city with pigeons, but don't they have feelings too? Where are the Republican right to lifers on this plan to kill the unborn?

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    In my brief tenure at TalkLeft I've been thinking (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 04:46:15 PM EST
    a little humor would be a good thing.  Now this!  Segue:  NY Times food section this week featured methodology for trapping squirrels, sparrows, and other common backyard critters plus tasty recipes.  None for pigeons, as I recall.

    Pigeon Recipies (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by squeaky on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 05:03:25 PM EST
    Lets Not Restrict Pigeons Right To Free Speech (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by john horse on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 08:04:15 AM EST
    If the pigeons in Minneapolis want to poop on Republicans, then I say let them.  After 8 years of George Bush who doesn't think Republicans deserve to be pooped on.  This is a free speech issue.

    You funny! (none / 0) (#1)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 02:14:46 PM EST
    Where are the Republican right to lifers on this plan to kill the unborn?
    Similarly, where are all the liberal Democrats on this plan to waste perfectly good food?

    Shouldn't they be demanding the eggs be cooked up into omelets or something for all the SO's forced to live under bridges? ;-)

    Rats with wings. (none / 0) (#2)
    by jerry on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 02:18:15 PM EST
    Give me your address, I'll send you about a billion from Phoenix, and it won't even make a dent.

    Yes (none / 0) (#3)
    by squeaky on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 02:21:33 PM EST
    Fry em up and serve em to the poor. But then then wouldn't it be like welfare? The Republicans would not want to give them away for free. But, there is a soultion,  charge the govenment 5000% labor and expenses and funnel 75% of the money into RNC re-election campaigns. Then blame the Democrats for the ensuing raise in taxes.

    Huh, (none / 0) (#4)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 02:24:47 PM EST
    not a bad idea....

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    Not original (none / 0) (#6)
    by squeaky on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 02:26:34 PM EST
    and not without risks, I am sorry to say. Ask Abramoff, Delay, Cunningham, et al

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    From someone who works in St. Paul (none / 0) (#8)
    by Peaches on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 02:36:04 PM EST
    The Pigeons are not the only thing city officials are worried about. A couple of blocks from the Xcel center, where the convention will be held is a soup kitchen for homeless that daily attracts homeless from all around the city. There is a contingent that goes by that goes by the convention center daily on their way from the river to the shelter.

    Feeding the poor might be a good idea, but the poor and homeless in St. paul will probably go the same way as the pigeons - well, they'll be moved offsite anyway.

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    You guys should hire.... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 08:41:20 AM EST
    Guiliani as an adviser in this regard....nobody makes the homeless disappear like Rudy.

    Just don't ask questions, he doesn't like that.

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    Actually kdog, (none / 0) (#41)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 09:34:20 AM EST
    studies have shown that press stories about the homeless decrease when Demos are in control and increase when Repubs are in control.

    The exception being San Francisco where no one can afford a home except Nancy Pelosi and other rich people...

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    Right on Cue (none / 0) (#42)
    by squeaky on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 02:21:44 PM EST
    Divert the thread to Pelosi.

    Guess she is your new Clinton.

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    squeaky..... you are so much fun (none / 0) (#43)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 03:38:26 PM EST
    Why make such a dumb comment when anyone can look up to the previous comment by kdog and see that he brings in Rudi and politics?

    You know, open door and come in, etc., etc.

    The more I think about, the more inclined I am to believe that you actually can't see what you did wrong with the "Rove smear" comment and can't understand that just saying "diplomacy," is actually meaningless without the details.

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    Dumb? (none / 0) (#45)
    by squeaky on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 03:54:56 PM EST
    kdog brought up Rudy as a person to call to get rid of the pigeons, since he did such a good job of disappearing the homeless in NYC..

    You on the other hand inject, as a total non-sequitur, the fact that only rich people like Pelosi can live in SF.

    I cannot see what that has to do with the Republican convention or getting rid of pigeons. Seems like you just wanted to slam Pelosi for the fun of it. No connection to the topic by any stretch of the imagination.

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    Hah. (none / 0) (#5)
    by Gabriel Malor on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 02:25:36 PM EST
    Where are the Republican right to lifers on this plan to kill the unborn?

    Surely there is some difference between human unborn and pigeon unborn?

    human unborn (none / 0) (#7)
    by nolo on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 02:35:52 PM EST
    make better omelets.

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    ewwww (none / 0) (#9)
    by Peaches on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 02:37:34 PM EST
    Have you no conscience?

    That's funny, though...I just feel bad for laughing.

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    eggs too small (none / 0) (#26)
    by Jen M on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 04:44:27 PM EST
    really teensy omlettes

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    Privatize... (none / 0) (#10)
    by desertswine on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 02:37:41 PM EST
    Sounds like a job for Haliburton.

    Lordy (none / 0) (#15)
    by Peaches on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 03:12:29 PM EST
    Its a taxhike on the rich which I will gladly pay with the rest of us lucky few in Minnesota enjoying this marvelous state.

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    Yes, I'll enjoy it (none / 0) (#18)
    by Peaches on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 03:48:10 PM EST
    A gas tax is well overdue not only for MN, but for the entire nation (I drive a Toyota Echo that costs me aproximately $420.00 in fuel per year to drive. My budget allows for more. I recommend a used Echo or some other high milage car). WE both know noone is fooling anyone with the fees. What we need in MN, and what the DFL is proposing, are progressive taxes, not regressive fees. That said, I don't smoke, paint, use a cell phone, and I only operate the one car and drink about a grogger a week.

    I don't get your point about Pawlenty, but I sure don't want him as my Vice-President, let alone my governor.

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    The Rethugs are all lined up (none / 0) (#11)
    by scribe on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 02:41:49 PM EST
    with Dick Cheney, waiting for the live pigeon shoot (a competitive sport for money) to start, viz.:

    Some years ago a group of my acquintances who had been badly stricken with shooting fine double-barrel shotguns at anything they could find did quite a bit of pigeon shooting here in the Delta. A few farmers had pigeon cotes and lots of birds and the shooters would shoot them as they left and returned to the cotes and in fields they found the birds to be using.

    Some of these fellows were also addicted to live pigeon shoots, a rich man's game played all over the world. One of my former friends, Don Whittaker, was a champion and won the world championship in Mexico once some 30 or more years ago. He traveled all over the civilized world for a few years shooting. At times he won some really big money. I suspect that he also lost some nice sums at other times.

    This game is quite interesting. You shoot from a ring with a pigeon box in the center. The bird is released and the shooter must drop him dead inside the ring. He is given two shots to do so.

    Here's another article, with this description of controversy surrounding one in rural Illinois:

    Former Texas rodeo cowboy John McSweeney said all he wanted to do was hone his shooting skills. Clay pigeons weren't challenging enough.

    So the Will County electrician looked outside at an empty field that surrounds Carpy's Cove, the remote rural tavern and restaurant that he lived above, and decided to hold a live pigeon-shooting contest.

    McSweeney said he bought pigeons from a broker who had trapped them in municipalities and industrial complexes. Then he invited about a dozen or two fellow shooters and charged each $100 for a go at 25 birds apiece. In the last two years, McSweeney said, he held about four shoots a year.

    The winners walked away with a 14-carat gold pigeon pin, a local bird dog trainer got the dead birds and sometimes McSweeney had "a few extra dollars" in his pocket. Sometimes, because of costs, he had a few less.

    As far as McSweeney was concerned, contestants were only shooting "rats with wings," and everything was going along just fine - until the end of the first season.

    That's when animal rights activists showed up ....  

    With videocams:

    The videotapes show how the live birds are catapulted by a spring mechanism from one of five box traps.

    Shooters stand about 30 yards away from the trap boxes. They are allowed two tries to hit the birds. The birds must fall within a circular fence, whose diameter is about 50 yards, in order to score. High school boys retrieve both the dead birds and the fluttering wounded. They twist the neck of the injured birds to kill them.

    David Petzal, executive editor of Field and Stream magazine and one of the magazine's shot-gunning columnists, said neck-twisting is the traditional way to kill small game birds.

    And even more aspects sure to appeal to Rethugs:

    {Petzal] said although in the United States live pigeon shoots attract only a small number of participants, the contests usually are shrouded in secrecy for "all the obvious reasons."

    Petzal would not delve into the ethics of live pigeon shoots, saying that "was a question for the individual, because shooting and hunting sports attract people with just about every viewpoint you can find."

    That includes, he said, "most hunters who feel you don't shoot it if you can't eat it."

    Tell that to Deadeye Dick.  Of course, he might be inclined to go for the sport.  One of the protestors noted:

    "Killing anything for sport is cruel," .... "Most mass murderers started out by being cruel to animals."

    Yup.


    Isn't Kerry a hunter? (none / 0) (#12)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 02:48:59 PM EST
    Wasn't that goose hunt more of a campaign (none / 0) (#24)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 04:34:52 PM EST
    photo op?  

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    Dunno (none / 0) (#31)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 04:52:41 PM EST
    John Kerry eats dove. Even better, he shoots them. From behind the stalks of a Southern cornfield, he'll watch them flutter and dart, and fire.

    "You clean them. Let them hang. It takes three or four birds to have a meal," said the Massachusetts senator. "You might eat it at a picnic, cold roasted. I love dove."

    Dove, quail, duck, deer. Kerry described how to hunt and gut them, talking as he sliced through a steak at midnight after campaigning all day in Iowa for the Democratic presidential nomination. Carve out the heart, he said over dinner, pull out the entrails and cut up the meat.

    If he's not a hunter, then he must be a...


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    If the likely voter had this information, (none / 0) (#32)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 04:58:16 PM EST
    Kerry might be President today.

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    Maybe he should have brought (none / 0) (#33)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 05:01:38 PM EST
    it up in the debates.

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    This topic reminds me of a story (none / 0) (#14)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 02:58:44 PM EST
    When but a child, a neighbor had a friend visit one day who was driving a Ferrari. Not the type of car one often saw in my neighborhood.

    After the friend left I asked my neighbor what the friend did for a living. She told me his co had the gvt contract to keep pigeons off federal buildings.

    It didn't seem like such a big deal at first, as I was thinking only of DC, but she pointed out that there are federal buildings all over the country - including every post office.

    That's a big contract.

    Hmmm (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 04:02:27 PM EST
    The Marriott at LAX has fake owls on the window ledges, which the pegons use as handy places to stand...

    Do you think this person did that???

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    all the little birds (none / 0) (#29)
    by Jen M on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 04:47:31 PM EST
    at our local grocery store loved the large wooden owl that was put out to scare them away -- until the woodpeckers got to it.

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    Gotta watch them peckerwoods (none / 0) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 07:31:25 PM EST
    pigeons (none / 0) (#16)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 03:26:25 PM EST

    I worked painting steel highway bridges one summer.  Dirty work.  Every so often you had to clean off a pigeon's nest.  A pigeon's nest is made up primarily of pigeon poop and dead pigeons with a few wormy things.  Good riddance.

    Pigeon egg... (none / 0) (#19)
    by desertswine on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 03:51:46 PM EST
    Recipe.  

    Almost yum!

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    Lutefisk recipe. (none / 0) (#23)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 04:20:42 PM EST
    In line with that, here is my favorite recipe for Lutefisk.

    Ingredients:

    1 pound Lutefisk,
    1 six inch iron (not galvanized) nail
    1 one foot square freshly cut pine board, with the more sap the better.
    1 half fresh lemon.

    Preparation:

    1.  Nail the Lutefisk to the center of the pine board.
    2.  Cover Lutefisk and board with wet towel.
    3.  Squeeze lemon onto towel.
    4.  Place board with nail, Lutefisk, and towel on back of bottom shelf of refrigerator.
    5.  Wait two weeks for cure.
    6.  Remove from refrigerator, remove towel, remove nail, remove Lutefisk, eat the board, burn refrigerator.


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    Very similar to the recipe for Southerner carp... (none / 0) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 07:33:00 PM EST
    except the Swede(?) had first choice

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    Under glass (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 04:03:44 PM EST
    They could wait until they are hatched and have squab...

    Is this strictly necessary? (none / 0) (#22)
    by HK on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 04:13:20 PM EST
    I find the idea of stealing the eggs of birds, even those considered by some to be flying vermin, distasteful.  And I live in a town that has plenty of pigeons.  But worse is the idea that officials are perfectly happy to spend tax dollars on this that could be spent on tackling homelessness or rehabilitating ex-convicts or providing extra public playgrounds for kids or any number of other things that would have wider and longer lasting benefits than reducing pigeon poo.  Is it really in the greater public interest to pay someone to come up with these ideas?

    It's not STRICTLY necessary (none / 0) (#25)
    by Peaches on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 04:35:49 PM EST
    but, we got some money from the state and federal gov't to cleanup our city for the Republican convenition in 2008 and, by golly, we are going to do it.

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    Has Minneapolis decided where to place the (none / 0) (#28)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 04:47:22 PM EST
    protestors' pen?  It was quite a along way from the convention center in San Diego, but quite public.

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    Just think (none / 0) (#38)
    by scarshapedstar on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 09:18:56 PM EST
    Someday, kids will look at the "First Amendment Zones" and wonder what the name means, just like Labor Day.

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    Republican convention? (none / 0) (#30)
    by Jen M on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 04:50:16 PM EST
    Quick, start buying birdseed and passing it out!

    tuppence a bag

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    The final solution (none / 0) (#44)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 03:41:31 PM EST
    Seagulls catch, kill and eat pigeons.

    Perhaps some of St Paul's movers and shakers can  put in a call to Mitt Romney who can call Salt Lake and..........

    but then (none / 0) (#46)
    by Jen M on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 04:46:08 PM EST
    you have to get rid of the seagulls

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    Have Mitt call Salt Lake... (none / 0) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 08:26:22 PM EST
    ;-)

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    no, pigeons don't have feelings (none / 0) (#48)
    by walrusk on Thu Jun 11, 2009 at 03:09:46 PM EST
    I stumbled across this site in my search to find out if pigeon eggs are safe to eat.

    They are, and the pigeon that was foolish enough to nest on my balcony is wondering where it's egg and poorly made nest is.

    It was delicious by the way.

    Minneapolis has got the right idea.