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Getting Seung-Hui Cho's Parents to Talk

Journalist Dave Cullen, who is writing a book on the Columbine killers, and wrote a diary at TalkLeft on the Virginia Tech killings, The Myth of the School Shooter Profile, has an op-ed (free link) in today's New York Times, proposing a compromise solution to allow the parents of Virginia Tech killer Seung-Hui Cho to talk about his early years and psychiatric issues so that the public can glean some insight, without being exposed to lawsuits.

In Columbine, the federal court sealed the depositions of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold's parents for 20 years, to protect their privacy.

Dave first explores the questions the public wants the answers to:

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Was Mr. Cho bullied or sneered at by the rich brats he railed against? Or was he responding to voices in his head? When did he first experience difficulty socializing? Did those troubles lead to withdrawal, or was he already a loner? How did his parents respond? Was anything successful?

We know Mr. Cho demonstrated symptoms consistent with autism and Asperger’s syndrome, but these can also be signs of schizophrenia. Experts are eager to interview the Cho family to tease out the differences. If Mr. Cho experienced outright psychotic episodes, they might have been mystifying to acquaintances but painfully obvious to his family. When did the Chos first observe such episodes, how often and with what intensity? How was he treated, and what were the results? A deeper understanding of Mr. Cho’s pathway to murder can help us predict dangerous behavior and respond better to warning signs.

Dave's solution to enable the public to get the answers:

The Chos’ lawyers should broker a deal with psychiatric experts before trust is eroded. The psychiatrists can offer medical privilege and the hope of authentic scientific advancement in exchange for openness from the family. They should promise to divulge their conclusions to the public, but to work with the Cho lawyers to withhold any details likely to land the family in court.

There are risks in this for the Cho family, but inaction presents the greater risk — of lawsuits and of never finding answers. The questions that plague the victims’ families weigh just as heavily on those who loved the perpetrators.

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    In my opinion, neither the interests of the (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 27, 2007 at 01:11:25 AM EST
    public or that of the "experts" should outweigh the right of the family members to privacy.  

    I agree with you (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Apr 27, 2007 at 01:32:43 AM EST
    But Dave, who is my friend, has spent the last 8 years investigating Columbine. He sees the need for the parents' information as important to discern why the various killers acted as they did.

    I approach it like a defense lawyer...viewed from the lens of the parents of the killers, they too have suffered, and should be under no obligation to further put their family under the public microscope.

    I suspect each of the school shootings are so different, whether it be Paducah, Jonesboro, Colubine or Va. Tech, that it's not possible to lump them into one or two groups with labels.

    Everyone wants to know the warning signs. That's like profiling. It's rarely accurate when put into real life.

    But, Dave knows more about this than I do, he's spoken to the top experts all over the countries, and I think his argument is worth reading and considering.

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    antidepressant drugs (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by diogenes on Fri Apr 27, 2007 at 02:27:34 PM EST
    The problem with blaming antidepressant drugs for the shooting was that Mr. Cho either suffered from a personality disorder, a psychotic disorder, or both.  Antidepressant drugs don't help this, and the untreated illness led to the killings.  If he had taken some Haldolor zyprexa, maybe things would have turned out differently.

    I'm still wondering... (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Fri Apr 27, 2007 at 04:15:45 PM EST
    Never got an answer to the question I posed in the diary...why don't these type of shootings happen with the same frequency in other countries that they do in the U.S.?

    No (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by squeaky on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 06:57:09 PM EST
    The impression I get from your posts is that you're angry at the media for making too much of this story, and therefore you're going to deride anyone in the media who enters the conversation--whether psychiatrist or journalist or whatever--as profiteers.
    No, my only concern is that people with disabilities or eccentricities are not further stigmatized by generalizations from this unique case.

    It is natural for laypeople to want to understand something like this for various reasons ranging from self protection to plain old gawking. What seems to be the typical result of satisfying the public's thirst for a sensational murder is to stereotype.

    It is fine by me for knowledgeable experts to study and learn about human behavior in all its wondrous varieties. To think that something like this could have been prevented through examining other cases like this seems doubtful to me. Human behavior is unpredictable whether done by someone considered aberrant or someone considered normal.

    The idea of preempting unpredictable behavior in the name of the greater good would certainly cause more harm than good. Someone close to solving the world's energy problems could get swept up because they are acting weird or eccentric and when questioned act even weirder. Don't get me wrong, people that are having social or mental problems deserve to get the best help that they need. But intervening where help is neither  wanted nor needed can only be counter productive.

    So back to the parents. I believe that they should be left alone if that is what they want. I cannot see how they can contribute to preventing the next mass murderer from killing. There are plenty of weird people out there whose parents would love to talk about their children. Just because they are not made famous by a gruesome killing shouldn't make them less desirable by those truly seeking knowledge.

    I hope that your project works out well for you. It seems that you are more interested in dispelling stereotypes and myths than creating them.

    both are true (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by zun on Sat May 12, 2007 at 08:13:13 PM EST

    any knowledge gained could do damage IF used to target individuals who might struggle with some of the same challenges Seung faced.

    if only the experts and the interested folks would begin asking the following - exactly how people respond to this human being over a lifetime?

    that is where the potential for constructive learning truly will be found.

    in many ways and situations, behavior IS predictable.  much learning could come if we knew more - but rather than about Seung per se, about how he was (mis)treated, (mis)understood, and shamed by the systems in which he participated (family, school, etc...).

    based on deviant or poorly understood behavior, if someone - a child or adult - is othered, misinterpreted, and treated as the problem in a family system or community where their deviance is a symptom of family or community unhealth, then such angry behavior might be absolutely predictable.

    so far, in hearing reports directly of how members of his family and communities responded to him on many occasions, I have found little compassion for him evident in the choices folks made at the time and much judgment in how people responded to him when they felt offended by him.

    their responses to him would have made me angry were they directed at me.

    clearly he, and of course our society, requires much more compassion - acknowledgment of the humanness in even those who offend us or those who carry angry.

    so interesting that some singled him out b/c they were offended or concerned by his anger but by virtue of their fear could not give him complete compassion and kindness in return.

    if only Seung had trusted someone enough to connect or let his guard down.  to share how hurt he felt.  that trust was likely precluded when anyone responded to him with shoulds, disappointment, or disapproval.

    what must be learned here is as much as possible about how family, teachers, and community responded to this individual over a lifetime and then how to respond differently to others in the future.  for this Seung's parents would be a good source.

    then we must learn a different response, as human behavior and emotion is usually predictable when an individual is othered or disrespected over a lifetime.

    even naming Seung's quiet as a child as a problem he had, is to blatantly other, label, and ignore that usually a child's symptom in a family or community system is evidence of something that in that system or environment to which this is a response.

    you bet that Seung as a child knew he was being named as a problem when he may have been responding adaptively or even most aptly to his circumstance.

    we must start looking at ourselves and how we as fellow humans responded to Seung and how we can respond differently to those who seem other or whose behavior we do not understand so that they remain connected to others and find trust rather than disconnect and distrust.

    if Seung found most people responded to him with distrust rather than compassion when he did communicate or speak (i.e. through writing or deviant action) - as most people were afraid of his anger that he communicated - then speaking was not helpful for him and acting out was the way he felt 'heard'.

    in order to constructively change our future response to the Seungs of the world we must most importantly understand not Seung per se but how folks and family responded to him and how those responses may create and predict (not create) the anger and actions Seung demonstrated - as behavior is predictable when human beings live a life of feeling othered and misunderstood when they communicate.

    Were you typical (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by squeaky on Sat May 12, 2007 at 08:54:24 PM EST
    The world would be a much safer place. I agree with you 100% that many can be helped by compassionate and sensitive people like you who strive toward a non threatening approach.

    Sadly your obvious human evolvement is rare. Most these days are following the lead of our President who believes in preemptive attacks. That combined with profiling is the flavor of our time. The frenzy to understand Seung in order to prevent violence can only lead to tragedy as I see it. Once a profile is constructed its most likely use would be by law enforcement to preem