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9 U.S. Soldiers Killed in Iraq Monday

And the toll, it just keeps growing.

A suicide bomber rammed an explosives-rigged truck into a U.S. military outpost near Baqubah on Monday, killing nine soldiers and wounding 20 in one of the deadliest single ground attacks on U.S. forces since the start of the war in Iraq, military officials said early Tuesday.

....The truck bombing caused the highest number of U.S. fatalities in a ground attack since Aug. 3, 2005, when 14 Marines were killed after their amphibious assault vehicle hit a roadside bomb in Haditha.

How many times have we heard that phrase, "one of the deadliest attacks since the start of the war?"

The House and the Senate have now agreed on a compromise Iraq funding bill.

The measure, a compromise between separate legislation passed earlier by each chamber, requires U.S. troops to begin withdrawing from Iraq by Oct. 1, with the goal of completing the withdrawal within 180 days. Some U.S. forces could remain in the country for training and counterterrorism operations.

Bush still threatens to veto it. Democrats may not have the votes necessary to override the veto.

Your unitary executive at work. He refuses to listen, is unable to grasp and unwilling to concede this war cannot be won by military means. And every day, more soldiers continue to die.

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    We voted for Bush (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by koshembos on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 12:50:53 AM EST
    Readers of this blog don't tend to vote R, but Bush still enjoys 33% approval rating. This is beyond shocking. Olmert in Israel has a single digit approval rating and his failure is a huge success compared to Bush.

    Americans reelected Bush, we enable him by not marching on Washington, our representatives treat him nicely and respectfully, we argue whether the war is lost and our media claims that it's not. We hardly mention the mass murder of Iraqis.

    May be Bush is what we deserve.

    HISTORY TELLS US (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by numike on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 07:05:35 AM EST
    "Beyond the Euphrates began for us the land of mirage and danger, the sands where one helplessly sank, and the roads which ended in nothing.  The slightest reversal would have resulted in a jolt to our prestige giving rise to all kinds of catastrophe; the problem was not only to conquer but to conquer again and again, perpetually; our forces would be drained off in the attempt."

    Emperor Hadrian AD 117-138
     

    Hadrian... (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by desertswine on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 09:55:33 AM EST
     - smarter than Bush.

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    Too many war profiteers (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by Lora on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 08:55:40 AM EST
    This is why any bona fide attempt to get out is stalling.

    Bill Moyers Wednesday Night (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 09:02:24 AM EST
    From Editor and Publisher:

    The most powerful indictment of the news media for falling down in its duties in the run-up to the war in Iraq will appear next Wednesday, a 90-minute PBS broadcast called "Buying the War," which marks the return of "Bill Moyers Journal...

    The war continues today, now in its fifth year, with the death toll for Americans and Iraqis rising again -- yet Moyers points out, "the press has yet to come to terms with its role in enabling the Bush Administration to go to war on false pretenses."

    Among the few heroes of this devastating film are reporters with the Knight Ridder/McClatchy bureau in D.C. Tragically late, Walter Isaacson, who headed CNN, observes, "The people at Knight Ridder were calling the colonels and the lieutenants and the people in the CIA and finding out, you know, that the intelligence is not very good. We should've all been doing that."...

    ...Isaacson notes there was "almost a patriotism police" after 9/11 and when the network showed civilian casualties it would get phone calls from advertisers and the administration and "big people in corporations were calling up and saying, 'You're being anti-American here.'" ...

    Phil Donahue recalls that he was told he could not feature war dissenters alone on his MSNBC talk show and always had to have "two conservatives for every liberal." Moyers resurrects a leaked NBC memo about Donahue's firing that claimed he "presents a difficult public face for NBC in a time of war. At the same time our competitors are waving the flag at every opportunity."

    Not to be missed. Especially recommended for the Bush enablers on this blog.



    PBS has a clip from the program (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Edger on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 09:06:38 AM EST
    Jim in his delusions insists (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Edger on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 09:37:29 AM EST
    on blaming the deaths of US Troops on the 'left' or on democrats.

    Jim - I've already said that I (for one) will be happy to take the blame for the fact that Bush and the peasants have so wretchedly lost public confidence, but as I conceded earlier all my efforts are as nothing compared to yours: "Collateral damage is not an argument, but a description of damage".

    But the responsibility for the deaths of the troops falls squarely where it belongs - on the heads of those who sent them there, and on their enablers and supporters.


    Denial (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by squeaky on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 09:48:10 AM EST
    All that blood on his and our hands. PPJ can not face up to his responsibilty for all the death and destruction not to mention losing the scam war. So he is blaming the democrats. Everyone but himself.

    How original. Monkey see monkey do.

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    3,332... (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by desertswine on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 09:58:54 AM EST
    and counting.(Not to mention several hundred contractors)

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    and about 1mm iraqis (and counting). nt (5.00 / 4) (#30)
    by conchita on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:18:47 AM EST
    Squwaky (1.00 / 2) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:36:08 AM EST
    That claimed worked so well out of Vietnam that you elected Regan....

    And you are doing it again.

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    Hat Tip to aw from last November (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by Edger on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 10:25:29 AM EST
    The Painful Object of the Verb
    All sentences beginning, "What we should now do in Iraq ... " are devoid of meaning. We are in no position to do anything. We have no potency; that is the definition of anarchy.
    ...
    [Bush and Blair] will have to stop the holier-than-thou name-calling and the pretence that they hold any cards. They will have to realise that this war has lost them all leverage in the region. They can insult and sanction and threaten. But there is nothing left for them to "do" but leave. They are no longer the subject of that mighty verb, only its painful object.
    So only one course remains: Get Out Now.


    Roy (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by Che's Lounge on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:14:35 AM EST
    Let me ask you back if the average Iraqi citizen has a better quality of life now versus pre invasion? IMO those whose lives are not directed daily by the actions of the war are few and fortunate. Many have left.

    Your reference to Saddam Hussein enslaving the people of Iraq was a poor choice of words. We financed Saddam's arsenals, largely because of our ideological dispute with Iran. Yet at the same time Iraq's economy thrived. As it turns out, many of the people that SH was repressing were Islamic fundamentalists! Bush's war has not improved anything for the people of Iraq. It has turned the balance of power into chaos.

    All good points (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by roy on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:35:04 AM EST
    Iraqis' quality, not to mention quantity, of life has certainly decreased.  I still believe they have more say in how their country is run today than they did before the invasion; now they have the ability to vote for an ineffective government rather than not voting at all.  That doesn't make the invasion good, it just makes it less bad than it could conceivably be, and not "taking a country away from its citizens".

    Whenever I attack one narrow point from an anti-war commentator, y'all seem to assume that I'm broadly defending the war.  This is not the case.  I'll cop to not being convinced that a quick withdrawal is the best course, but I'm already on record admitting that invading was a big mistake in the first place.  Even generously assuming that Bush's preemption doctrine might work, it was an exercise paying for American safety with Iraqi blood.  We have no right to do so.

    If you want to argue with somebody who's convinced that a full-force occupation must continue, you'll have to take it up with Jim.  You have my sympathy.

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    Roy, I'm pretty sure (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Edger on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:46:05 AM EST
    no one here equates you with ppj. I certainly don't. I doubt Che does.

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    Peace or War (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by squeaky on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:18:07 AM EST
    As usual, in light of the recent US casualties,  Juan Cole is right on the money regarding the death machine we turned Iraq into:

    Saddam is gone. There was never any threat to the US or UK from Iraq, and there is not now one. What is the mission, for which these young people have given their lives this spring? What do we tell their children about why their daddy is no longer there for them? Is it just Karl Rove's best guess about what will win the next election? Better business for Dick Cheney's golf buddies among the Big Oil CEOs? George W. Bush's cokehead emotional shallowness and inability to admit he ever made a mistake? What?

    We ask our men and women in uniform to risk their lives, sometimes to sacrifice them, for the security of our nation. But the security of our nation is not in doubt.

    The more I read the clearer it becomes that the US policy has taken its cues from Leo Strauss, in that war is the prefered state, and peace offers no advantage to those wishing to maintain control and power over any given populace.

    Via Laura Rozen, this interview with the US Ambassador to Syria says it all:

    How do you respond to the U.S. assertion that Syria is undermining stability in Lebanon?
    Today the Lebanese are divided half and half. The tension is very high and Lebanon can easily reach a tipping point after which, God forbid, a civil war might erupt. And there is a very keen initiative to try and convince the Lebanese to have a coalition of national unity. We are supporting this, the Saudis are supporting this, the United States is opposing this.... Yet we are considered as negative and disruptive, and the United States considers itself the moderate player in the Middle East.


    According to Seymour Hersh the U.S. and the Saudis (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by conchita on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:40:54 AM EST
    are actively working to destabilize Lebanon:

    To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has cooperated with Saudi Arabia's government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.

    He reported this in the New Yorker in March and Bernhard at moonofalabama connects the dots with recent articles in the Lebanonese and Israeli press.  Deja vu on Iran Contra anyone?

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    The Alamo, or, Juicy Targets (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by squeaky on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:30:50 AM EST
    From Swopa:
    Their outpost here, a cluster of fortified houses officially designated a joint security station and unofficially called the Alamo by some of the soldiers, is a test case for President Bush's new Baghdad security plan. The strategy envisions at least 20 more facilities like it in other troubled neighborhoods, all jointly staffed by Iraqi and American forces.

    . . . In the week since the Americans arrived, however, the troops have seen the truth of what their commanders warned in announcing the plan: it leaves Americans more exposed than ever, stationary targets for warring militias.

    . . . Over the course of three days spent with the 105 soldiers here -- Company C of the Second Battalion, 12th Cavalry -- four American vehicles were hit by roadside bombs near the outpost. No soldiers from Company C were wounded, but they know the fighting will intensify.

    "I'm a juicy target they are just trying to figure out," said Capt. Erik Peterson, 29, the commander at the outpost.

    via C & L

    How else (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by Edger on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:41:59 AM EST
    can Bush justify sending more troops unless he creates more attacks on them?

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    Roy (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Che's Lounge on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:08:26 PM EST
    Acknowledged. There's no comparison, and I knew that.

    Peace

    What is so complicated? (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Al on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:16:05 PM EST
    The occupation of Iraq has failed. Everybody knows that, including the Iraqi suicide bombers. Specially the Iraqi suicide bombers.

    If anyone thinks that we should not be talking about getting out, because that encourages the insurgents, they're delusional. The insurgents don't need any encouragement. They know the occupation is a failure. It's no secret.

    A bit off topic (3.00 / 0) (#26)
    by naschkatze on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:01:52 AM EST
    Jeralyn, I'm sure you will be covering the story that appeared in the LA Times about the WH having the Office of Special Counsel consolidating all the congressional investigations going on now into one big internal administration investigation of itself.  Many of us are concerned about what this means to the congressional investigations.  Will the internal investigation stifle Congress and prevent it from getting the evidence?  Is the law, specifically the Hatch Act, on the side of the administration taking precedence over Congress?  Will the WH be able to come back to Congress and say that they cannot comment on anything "while there is an ongoing investigation" as they did in the CIA Leak?  This seems to me to be an attempt by the WH to contain the truth, as it was able to do with the Fitzgerald investigation, or to out and out whitewash all their misdeeds.  Thanks.  I will be watching your other posts since this is not really the one on which to answer.

    The actions of this Congress (1.00 / 4) (#5)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 07:17:25 AM EST
    are sending a clear signal to the terrorists.

    "We are ready to surrender.

    Keep killing."


    Uh they don't appear to need any encouragement (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 08:56:59 AM EST
    And...if we're not ready? (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by Lora on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 08:57:32 AM EST
    Then they'll be so cowed they'll stop killing?

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    Nobody is buying anymore ppj. (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by Edger on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 09:04:59 AM EST
    More Like (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by squeaky on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 09:27:02 AM EST
    You are sending a clear signal to the troops that you could give a sh*t about their sorry a$$es.

    May their ghosts haunt you and your family for an eternity.

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    Squeaky (1.00 / 1) (#33)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:33:37 AM EST
    I don't believe in ghosts and have a low opinion of those that do.

    What's next? Throwing chicken bones and muttering a curse?? ;-)

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    Black Heart (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by squeaky on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:58:06 AM EST
    And no conscience to boot. I am surprised that Stalin is not also one of your heros, along with Rove, Bush, Cheney, Pearle, Pipes, et al.

    He was not afraid of ghosts and did not care much for poetic metaphors either.

    Social Liberal when it comes to mass killings?  One death a tragedy, but millions no problem?

    Did I get it right?


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    There are lots of signals (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by roy on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 09:37:04 AM EST
    To the terrorists: "We'll be gone soon, don't stick your necks out"

    To our troops: "You're coming home"

    To the Iraqi people: "You are a sovereign nation"

    And, after passing through a thought filter, to Republican loyalists: "Here's an way to pretend that the blood from Bush's war is on his critics' hands"

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    Roy (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Sailor on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 07:37:23 PM EST
    there are a lot of messages ... but very few of the folks fighting in iraq are 'terrorists.' Most are insurgents trying to get their country back ... the hate each other and us most of all.

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    When did Iraq belong to its citizens? (1.00 / 2) (#11)
    by roy on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 09:03:39 AM EST
    If our troops are trying to "take a nation away from its citizen", then the nation must belong to its citizens.  It certainly didn't under Saddam Hussein, who would still have the Iraqis enslaved if we hadn't intervened.

    To the extent that the nation belongs to its citizens today, it's through the new democratically elected government.  That government still depends on American troops to maintain its authority.  

    So it seems that our troops are trying to restore a nation to its people, not take it away from them.  If you don't think that goal is feasible, or is not worth the price we're paying, fine, but don't muddy the waters.

    And while many of the insurgents may live in Iraq, they pursue only their own or their sects' desires for power, not the good of the people.  You can tell because those insurgents are also terrorists, blowing up more Iraqis than Americans.

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    Roy, I don't recall anyone in Iraq asking (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by Edger on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 09:12:49 AM EST
    for a US Invasion. Other than Chalabi, of course.
    Al-Mutlak's allies say that rather than unleashing a worsened civil war, a U.S. troop withdrawal would have a calming effect.

    "If there is a timetable for the U.S. troops to get out, if a real Iraqi government has authority to make decisions, it can reach an understanding with the groups in the Mahdi Army to solve the situation, to stop the violence, and also with the insurgent groups," said Jawad al-Khalisi, a Shiite ayatollah and seminary leader in Baghdad who has tried to reconcile the radicals under a nationalist, pro-withdrawal banner. "The Iraqi people will get rid of the extremist powers from both sides. We won't allow them to continue their violent and terrorist acts."

    Link



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    Fair enough (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by roy on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 09:32:23 AM EST
    But that's separate from the question of whether the invasion increased or decreased the extent to which Iraq belongs to Iraqis.

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    By that logic (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by Edger on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 09:42:43 AM EST
    America no longer belongs to Americans. Maybe the troops should be reassigned to preemptively invade the White House and use overwhelming military force to achieve regime change and instill freedom and democracy there.

    This could be a problem.

    Better to just leave Iraq.

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    Belong to Iraqis? (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by squeaky on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 09:43:35 AM EST
    Iraq has always belonged to the Iraqis by definition. The question is how much longer the US is going to claim Iraq its own. Force may be profitabe for those invested in the ammo biz, but it will never win the hearts of the Iraqi people.

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    Occupation by definition (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 09:52:54 AM EST
    decreases the extent to which Iraq belongs to Iraqis.



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    There are examples to the contrary (none / 0) (#36)
    by roy on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:40:26 AM EST
    Consider the occupations of Germany and Japan after WWII.  Both were initiated without the citizens' invitation, and both facilitated greater democratic power for the citizens in the long run.

    Iraq's case looks quite simple.  Before the invasion, Iraqis couldn't vote.  Now they can.  Does that decrease the extent to which the country belongs to them?

    (I am not putting the invasions of Germany, Japan, and Iraq on equal moral footing.  Only illustrating the point that an occupation can improve citizens' ownership of their country.)

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    And while we occupied Germany and Japan (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:51:33 AM EST
    it did decrease the extent to which it was their country. At least we didn't strip Germany and Japan of raw materials. Were we considered benign occupiers? Perhaps, but that most certainly isn't the case in Iraq.

    Bottom line is the Iraqis are in the same position as Washington strategically. They only have to not lose. They don't have to win. They know some day we will go home.  We are to them as the British were to us



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    Both Germany and Japan (none / 0) (#39)
    by Edger on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:43:30 AM EST
    were justifiably occupied. They had attacked other countries.

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    Agreed (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by roy on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:46:59 AM EST
    And Iraq was not justifiably occupied.

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    If your definition of Iraq includes Iraq's oil (none / 0) (#46)
    by Al on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:11:04 PM EST
    AC (1.00 / 1) (#31)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:30:34 AM EST
    Evidently you know no history or else you don't care.

    Either way or both, you are wrong.

    Have a nice day.

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    The problem is (none / 0) (#28)
    by HeadScratcher on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:18:02 AM EST
    If you are going to fight then you need to fight to win and fight to keep your losses at a minimum. That's what the Hiroshima and Nagasaki were all about.

    I'm not in any way advocating using nukes, but if you're going to have a war and people are bombing you then you have to take the gloves off and demolish them. If you can't bring yourself to do that then you need to refrain from fighting. This is the failure of Vietnam and the failure of Iraq.

    Kind of off topic, but I was reading about the Phamaceutical factory we bombed in Sudan in response to the embassy bombings in 1998 - Did you know that the Clinton administration believed there was a connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda with that?

    Since when do conservative cite President Clinton? (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 11:57:53 AM EST
    Also name the countries in this quote:

    I was reading about the Phamaceutical factory we bombed in Sudan in response to the embassy bombings in 1998 - Did you know that the Clinton administration believed there was a connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda with that

    Sudan, where the factory was and where Al AlQaeda was.

    Iraq fits into that equation how- other than a lame attempt to justify  invading Iraq "as connected" with Al Qaeda?

    Even if President Clinton believed there might be an Iraq Al Qaeda connection, he was at least not so stupid to invade Iraq as the means of solving the problem.

     

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    There're several different concepts at work. (none / 0) (#48)
    by walt on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 05:51:34 PM EST
    To obtain full power, the government of Iraq, this one or any subsequent group, need only wait for the US to withdraw.

    To perhaps find some semblance of a reasonable, normal life, the citizens of Iraq need only wait for the US to withdraw.

    The Shia majority need only WAIT to work their will (whatever that may be) on the Sunni after the US troops withdraw.

    The Sunni are probably motivated to keep the US Armed Forces in Iraq as a means to gain time & find some way to function as a potentially oppressed minority.

    The insurgents & what elements of al Qaeda may be present are motivated to keep the US military in Iraq.

    The geographical neighbors of Iraq are motivated to keep the US occupying forces in country to produce a type of stand-off or neutrality--a form of pax Americana.

    It's interesting to recognize which of the stakeholders Bu$hInc supports by keeping the troops in Iraq.