The War On Immigrants: Rudy Was Against It Before He Was For It

Synonyms for flip-flop:

about-face, adaptation, alteration, born again, changeover, exchange, flip-flop, flux, growth, innovation, metamorphosis, metanoia, metasis

Which one of the synonyms will Rudy use to describe his flip-flop on the War On Immigrants? In 1996, Rudy said:

The anti-immigration issue that’s now sweeping the country in my view is no different than the movements that swept the country in the past. You look back at the Chinese Exclusionary Act, or the Know-Nothing movement — these were movements that encouraged Americans to fear foreigners, to fear something that is different, and to stop immigration.

Rudy today:

If they want to become citizens, they should have to “get on the back of the line,” he said. “And then, at the end of the line, if they are ever going to become citizens,” he said, “the thing I am really interested in, they have to read English, write English, speak English and be able to understand the basics of American civics.”

But, like abortion, this is not the first Rudy flip-flop on immigration policy:

When he worked in the Justice Department under President Ronald Reagan, he defended the administration’s policy of keeping thousands of Haitian refugees in detention centers and denying them asylum. When he first ran for mayor in 1989, with immigration a potent subject in city politics, Mr. Giuliani moved quickly to distance himself from that policy, and embraced a role as both a spokesman and protector of new immigrants through his power as mayor.

There is not a position he won't abandon or a principle he won't sacrifice to win political office. There is no doubt that if Giuliani was running for Senate in New York this year he would hold the exact opposite views he now espouses. Is there a less principled person in politics than Rudy? Joe Lieberman? It's close.

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    Um, (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by andgarden on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 10:38:59 PM EST
    Is there a less principled person in politics than Rudy?
    According to Barney Frank: MItt Romney.

    Which one of the synonyms will Rudy use (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Freewill on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 03:54:18 PM EST
    Which one of the synonyms will Rudy use to describe his flip-flop on the War On Immigrants?

    My guess is that Rudy will cite that he has been "Born Again" on not only this issue but numerous other positions of his that change daily.

    "Born Again" really plays well to the base and is a great way to distract from the actual issue Rudy is speaking about. Just say "Born Again" to those who deeply reguard this term and they will start equating Rudy as being Spiritually Connected and start thinking about the day they themselves started brandishing that "Born Again" title thus, completely forgetting what Rudy is currently speaking about.

    Reconcile (none / 0) (#1)
    by TexDem on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 09:56:41 PM EST
    refurbish, rehabilitate, renovate. Shall we go on? What it really means is pander.

    Exactly...pandering (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by kdog on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 09:59:59 AM EST
    Rudy is like most politicians, better than most, in that the answer changes depending on who asks the question and who is in the audience.

    He rivals Bill Clinton in the slimy slickness department, only without the charisma.

    Be warned America...all Rudy stands for is authority and power-grabbing, everything else is open to negotiation.

    I bet the real reason he is such a George Bush fan is that he can't wait to try on the new executive powers seized by the Bush regime.


    Are you so unsure (none / 0) (#3)
    by Pancho on Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 11:58:36 PM EST
    of your argument that you must always drop the word ILLEGAL?

    I am desrcibing Rudy's arguments (none / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 02:13:41 PM EST
    I made no argument at all.

    You called it (1.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Pancho on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 03:49:44 PM EST
    a war on immigrants, rather than a war on illegal immigrants. That tells me a lot about you.

    RUDY DID! (none / 0) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 04:18:04 PM EST
    Your inability to read tells me a lot about you.

    There is no (none / 0) (#17)
    by Pancho on Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 12:23:59 AM EST
    war on immigrants. There are some very weak efforts to limit ILLEGAL immigration, but that is very different.

    The Difference (none / 0) (#4)
    by jarober on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 12:38:55 AM EST
    The difference - which TL steadfastly refuses to notice - is that the immigrants that flooded in during the late 19th and early 20th century came in legally - while the flood across the southern border today is completely illegal (and uncontrolled).

    If you want to have open borders, then have some intellectual honesty and advocate for that, instead of painting the illegal entrants as victims.

    Exactly (none / 0) (#8)
    by Pancho on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 10:34:39 AM EST
    Their arguments all lead to open borders, but they will never admit it.

    If you don't want to deport anyone and you are against strict border control, that is the same as open borders.


    Whose' arguments? (none / 0) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 02:14:42 PM EST
    The Old Rudy's arguments, Ponch?

    YOu mean Rudy used to not notice (none / 0) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 02:14:06 PM EST
    You have no idea qhat I think on the issue.

    I believe it was President Bush who... (none / 0) (#16)
    by Freewill on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 11:06:54 PM EST
    preached about the Illegal Immigrants coming across our Southern Border were coming here to do the work that Americans refused to do. I believe it is the same, yes same President Bush whom you so steadfastly defend on National Defense but, but, you somehow try to blame Democrats for this immigrant mess? I believe it's the POTUS who dictates to his Agency heads whom he put into those positions to enforce the laws of the United States of America. You might be thinking, "This problem didn't start with President Bush, look at what Clinton didn't do." As I have read your talking points time after time I realize that the depths of your memory only serve you when they fit your agenda. This issue is ages old and has been ignored for generations. If you do the math I believe that your favorite party was in control for most of those years.

    You are absolutely correct about the late 19th and early 20th century history. However, you don't mention the fact that once we used them up (alternative to slavery) we outlawed marijuana and tagged many Mexican heritage immigrants as law breakers and deported them for their use of marijuana. Thus, reducing the Mexican heritage work crews no longer needed to "Do the work that Americans would never do"

    Yes, history of the late 19th and early 20th century mirrors many of today's actions. The President at the time also started wars and he also convinced Americans at re-election time that they shouldn't change the Commander in Chief during war time. The POTUS also was creative in conspiracy tactics to get us into war so that a select few could reap huge rewards from the spoils of war.

    Please Jarober, please keep giving us the history lessons. As I see you are endowed with major reserves of propaganda like information that seems to leave out the lessons America should have learned long ago and should have never repeated!


    Open Borders (none / 0) (#5)
    by koshembos on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 03:33:34 AM EST
    How about a North American common market, open borders with Mexico and Canada and realizing that Los Angeles not only speaks both English and Spanish but is also the 3rd largest Canadian city?

    Not convincing (none / 0) (#6)
    by jakesavage on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 07:47:41 AM EST
    Where is the contradiction in the two passages you have quoted? From these quotes, one could infer that Rudy believes that legal immigration should be encouraged, but that immigrants should learn English and know some American civics before becoming citizens. You may disagree, but that doesn't mean that the two positions are inconsistent.

    You're kidding (none / 0) (#12)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 02:15:42 PM EST
    HE called what he is doing now Know Nothingism in 1996.

    You really MUSt be kidding.