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Portrait of the Enigmatic, Violent Obsessed Loner

The Washington Post has some new details on Cho Seung Hui, the Virginia Tech shooter, including statements by Nikki Giovanni, a poet and teacher who warned others about him when he became a problematic student that scared others in the class.

Days later, seven of Giovanni's 70 or so students showed up for a class. She asked students why the others didn't show up and was told that they were afraid of Cho. "Once I realized my class was scared, I knew I had to do something," she said.

She approached Cho and told him that he needed to change the type of poems he was writing or drop her class. Giovanni said Cho declined to leave and said, "You can't make me." Giovanni said she appealed to [Professor] Roy, who then taught Cho one-on-one.

...Roy said she warned school officials. "I was determined that people were going to take notice," Roy said. "I felt I'd said to so many people, 'Please, will you look at this young man?' "

The Smoking Gun has posted one of his "plays." It's predictably ugly.

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    warning signs and other near misses (none / 0) (#1)
    by aztrias on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 12:19:36 AM EST
    Really, the warning signs ay VT were there but the magnitude is beyond imagination.

    De Anza Community College in Cupertino was spared a shooting incident in 2001 when a photo lab saw pictures of a young man posing with his stockpile of weapons. The disturbed man was hinting at his plot.
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/01/31/MNDEANZAPM.DTL

    Police say DeGuzman also created bombs, stockpiling them over the two years he allegedly planned the attack on the junior college where he was a second-year student. The alleged plan was discovered when DeGuzman took photos of his arsenal, police said, then had them developed at a Longs Drugs a few miles from his house.

    The clerk who developed the photos was 18-year-old Kelly Ben nett, whose father is San Jose veteran patrolman Robert Bennett. Kelly Bennett said today that what she saw in the photos disturbed her: Molotov cocktails, pipe bombs, and a T-shirt printed with the words "Natural Selection."

    This guy made it obvious. Bombs, stockpiles and pictures.

    At VT it was done with a Glock 19 and a box of ammo. So simple, low profile and deadly.

    Can you please (none / 0) (#2)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 12:21:04 AM EST
    repost your comment putting the link in html (see box).  It will skew the site, it's too long. I want you to have the chance to repost it before I delete the one with the long link.  Thanks.

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    'Walking Hate...Ready To Snap' (none / 0) (#3)
    by Kitt on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 02:35:37 AM EST
    De Anza Community College in Cupertino was spared a shooting incident in 2001 when a photo lab saw pictures of a young man posing with his stockpile of weapons. The disturbed man was hinting at his plot.

    That's a powerful indictment: 'Walking Hate' or as he (Al DeGuzman) writes himself, he is "The Walking Hate Crime, Ready to Snap," and says he is 19 years old "probably as far as I'm gonna go."


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    Who knew (none / 0) (#4)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 07:18:24 AM EST
    "Once I realized my class was scared, I knew I had to do something," she said......

    "You can't make me." Giovanni said she appealed to [Professor] Roy, who then taught Cho one-on-one.

    ...Roy said she warned school officials.

    It's pretty clear now. The only question remaining is who she told, and who they told.

    Let's try not to exaggerate "warnings" (none / 0) (#5)
    by Hardheaded Liberal on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 07:41:04 AM EST
    I tend to agree that the shooter was a time bomb, and there were a number of warning signs, including responding to a "who are you" question (about names of students in the class) with a "?" rather than his name; most of the writing class getting weirded out by Cho enough to boycott class; reports that Cho was so much a loner that he was aloof and non-responsive every time that his suite-mates tried to exchange greetings with him; and the hints that he had a one-way romantic obsession about the girl he killed at the dorm.  

    But I don't think that a fair-minded reading of his one-act play would incline anyone to interpret the play as a warning sign.  The action is plainly modeled on Hamlet.  Now I know that Hamlet is about a young man who may be pretty scr***d-up.  But the young man in "McBeef" is much younger than we usually think of Hamlet today, and the action makes his accusations about the father being murdered seem almost completely unfounded.

    The last action is "(Out of sheer desecrated hurt and anger, Richard lifts his large arms and swings a deadly blow at the thirteen year old boy.)"  The extreme accusations that the boy has hurled at Richard have turned Sue against Richard in an instant, without a chance for Richard to say a word in his own defense.  

    The reference to Richard's "hurt" is in fact inconsistent with Richard being a pedophile.  I can't say how Cho meant the reference, but "desecrated" could have been an attempt to describe the hurt and anger as frustration or as an angry response to an unjust accusation.

    In other words, my first impression of this one-act tragedy is that Cho set up a conflict in which the boy's hurt and anger at losing his father results in verbal aggression against Richard; that that verbal aggression is so hurtful to Richard that he strikes back in frustration, with tragic and unintended consequences.  Richard seems to be the victim, and his fatal blow to be a tragic mistake.

    The boy's remarks about "father not being good enough for my mother" may be some of Cho's own emotions about his own parents -- those remarks certainly don't have any analogue in Hamlet.  Who knows?

    Discussions of Cho can only lose credibility from relying on cursory references to this play.  The poems may or may not be more disturbing, and may have justified the counseling referral, but my own experience is that many school administrators tend to over-react to some unusual behaviors and to miss the significance of true warning signs.

    Let's stay "on message" in discussing the real-life tragedy at Virginia Tech.  If all Cho's written work is as ambiguous as this play, making it a big deal would be unfair to the university administration, as well as being a distraction from focusing attention on the important issues and the evidence that should have gotten more attention (e.g., if he was acting like a stalker when he argued with the dorm victim the day before the killings).  

    Hardheaded Liberal (none / 0) (#6)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 08:36:09 AM EST
    Let's stay "on message" in discussing the real-life tragedy at Virginia Tech.

    I didn't know we had a messgae. Can you tell me what it is?

    The failure of the administration to take no actions after the warnings from the professors is damning. Especially after Columbine, etc.

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    Failure to see signs (none / 0) (#7)
    by Al on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 10:21:30 AM EST
    Here's another quote from Ms. Roy:
    She said that was worried that Mr. Cho could be a threat to other students as well as to himself.

    "I really felt very strongly that he was suicidal, that he was so depressed that he had a negativity about him, like it was like talking to a hole sometimes, that the person wasn't really there," she said.

    "Of course, we never imagined these kinds of things."

    After Columbine, how could someone not imagine something like this?

    I work at a university, so I am aware that when you bring together tens of thousands of people in one place, statistically you're sure to get all kinds of outliers. I know that I have helped prevent two suicides, by recognizing certain signs, talking to the subjects and staying in touch with them permanently during a crucial period, and consulting with the university counselling services. But this is something that university staff are not generally  trained to do, and not everyone knows to do this on their own. University administrations should give training to their staff, talking about signs of trouble, and telling them who to refer to. It's like mental first aid, and it can save lives. Ms. Roy should have been talking with a counsellor; the administration officials should have referred her to one. It's not just because a student may hurt others; if a student may be about to hurt him/herself, that alone should trigger a prevention mechanism.

    There should be training (none / 0) (#8)
    by Carolyn in Baltimore on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 11:46:59 AM EST
    Our current society does not teach us to cope and often warning signs are seen but not acted on.

    FWIW - I have a friend and the last time I saw her ex-husband before he killed himself and their son I felt I was talking to him through water, he was so strange. I will not ignore that feeling again. I may not have been able to stop him, but if I had talked to his ex-wife she may have been able to save their son.

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