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Malkin Wins CPAC Accuracy Award . . . Coulter Wins Civility Nod

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Other Politics
Posted on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 10:09:49 AM EST
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This is interesting. The Coulter line is snark, but I figured the Malkin line was too. I was wrong on that.

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    Holy Sh*t (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by squeaky on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 10:19:38 AM EST
    But then again it seems perfectly natural behavior from an organization that sells
    "Muslim = Terrorist" bumper stickers like they were going out of style

    CPAC is the new NSDAP

    Squeaky, oh really? (none / 0) (#3)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 11:00:22 AM EST
    thoseshirts.com

    Squeaky, are you saying that the shirts are sold by the Repub Party? That's a reach. What proof do you have? Don't you need proof?

    "thoseshirts" is a commercial organization, and it looks like to me that they are selling distasteful comments on cheap T shirts to people who think that reasoned debate consists of insulting someone.

    But isn't protecting distasteful speech the real deal in the First Amendment??

    Are you suggesting that they be censored?

    Don't you defend freedom of speech?"

    Didn't you just post this in defense of Sami Al-Arian on yesterday's Open thread?

    The defense rested without calling a single  witness or presenting any evidence since the government's case  rested entirely on First Amendment ¬protected activities

    I think your double standard is showing.


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    Nice smear (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by squeaky on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 11:11:53 AM EST
    Never said anything about tshirts ppj and no unlike you I am  not against free speech.

    My comment was about bumperstickers sold at CPAC that said Muslim=Terrorist, a line you have often repeated.

    Whether or not these bumperstickers were sold at the CPAC is not the point. The point is that they sold like hotcakes.

    Also Coulter and Malkin are free to spread their hate speech, what is revolting is that it is featured and embraced by the Republican party and 'social liberals' like you.

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    Nice try, but no cigar.. (none / 0) (#7)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 12:15:05 PM EST
    But then again it seems perfectly natural behavior from an organization that sells

        "Muslim = Terrorist" bumper stickers like they were going out of style

    First you say, "an organization that sells"

    Then you link to Digby who coments about all the evil things the Repubs/Right says, ending with a picture of a T-Shirt that links to the "thoseshirts" website.

    What you were doing is making a smear.

    BTW - How many were sold, and how long did they sale? "like hotcakes" is a terribly inaccurate definition.

    And yes, they should be allowed to say what they say, just as the Left should be allowed to demonstrate against the war, etc.... (You did open the link to the demonstration, didn't you??)

    And yes, you are perfectly free to attack them.
    But if you don't want to grant them that right, I am free to point out your double standard.

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    Wow (none / 0) (#8)
    by squeaky on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 12:40:26 PM EST
    What a strech ppj. To say I am smearing an organization that hires Coulter on a regular basis and wildly applauds her hate speech, by mentioning that they condone the sale of the hateful and bigoted items like Muslim=Terrorist bumperstickers which sell like hotcakes, is patently absurd.

    Keep gnawing on that bone, ppj, I am sure that you can find better comments of mine to twist in your convoluted mind.

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    Methinks (none / 0) (#10)
    by Al on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 03:31:44 PM EST
    thou dost protest too much.

    Never mind the T-shirts. I don't see you explicitly condemning all these death threats coming from your fellow "conservatives". And I'm not hearing a peep out of you about the people who applaud them.

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    Al, I specifically (none / 0) (#13)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 08:07:50 PM EST
    called Coulter's statement despeciable.

    Now since I condemned her statement I would think that anyone would know that I also condemn anyone who defends it.

    And one more time.

    I am a Social Liberal who supports the war. Think Scoop Jackson, etc. I am registered as an Independent. For every $20.00 you contribute to TalkLeft I will provide links. Here is a free one.

    BTW - Note that someone named Al is just above my comment. Could that be OUR Al??

    Re: Canada Legalizes Gay Marriage (none / 0) (#17)
    by Al on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:41 PM EST

    I am normally proud to be Canadian,

    Now one comment down, what do we find??

    Re: Canada Legalizes Gay Marriage (none / 0) (#19)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:41 PM EST

    et al - As someone who has previously commented that he doesn't care if John weds Bill... Government should not bother, except to enforce contracts, and contracts should exist, even for Jane marying Tom, and I have expressed this to my congress people

    Al, I hope your memory failings isn't a sign of senility. It is a terrible disease..

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    I didn't ask you about your opinion (none / 0) (#17)
    by Al on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 01:51:27 AM EST
    on gay marriage. I was curious to know what you felt about Ann Coulter, since you were going on about the T-shirts. You do have a strange tendency to go off on a tangent, as if your attention span was exceptionally brief ... Hmmm ... senility, you say?

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    Let ne see... (none / 0) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 06:53:47 AM EST
    I said her comment was despicable.

    Want me to whip her dog, too??

    Re-read comments #3 and 7.... Or read them, which seems more likely.


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    Just so we're clear, Jim (none / 0) (#11)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 03:50:35 PM EST
    You DO disavow and repudiate the disgusting hatred and racism that Coulter and Malkin spew, right?

    Because even though Republicans do not distance themselves from these disgusting evocations, and in fact cheer them wildly and pay Coulter and Malkin big bucks to hear their disgusting thoughts, you are not a Republican, so you condemn them absolutely.

    Right?

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    RePack (none / 0) (#14)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 08:12:01 PM EST
    What is it about my comments that I find her comments despicable that you don't understand.

    That isn't too complex, is it??

    BTW - See my comments to Al.

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    Coulter and bumper stickers (none / 0) (#15)
    by onit2day on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 10:56:06 PM EST
    Trying to be outlandish doesn't surprise anyone but protected speech that incites hatred coming from an organization that is involved with trying to be a part of representing and governing this country is petty and stretches 1st amendment rights' principles.  The right is basically freedom of speech, to say what you please, but the principle is that it be used for discourse, discussion and debate, not to call people names just to hurt or to build hate toward others.  Used in that manner it's an abuse of 1st amendment rights which get by on a technicality.  It's not a double standard it is simply recognizing abuse of our rights and you know this.

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    Wonderful thoughts, (none / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 07:10:57 AM EST
    who could disagree?

    I just googled "bush lied" on this blog and came up with 556 hits.

    I did the same on an open google and came up with 1,720,000.

    Would you agree that making such a claim is not conducive to debate?

    What do you say about the following as guidlelines for debate:


    Anyone who wants me or others to be constrained from saying things that insult so that they will NOT feel constrained from doing things that kill, is trying to draw equivalence where there is none, and deserves absolutely no respect, civility, or any kind of tolerence whatever.


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    hit the post button too soon (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 07:18:15 AM EST
    Abuse? No. Distasteful? Yes.

    And as you know, both sides do it.

    BTW - The comment guideline quoted is from Edger. a regular on this blog.

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    Two suggestions (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by roy on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 11:17:16 AM EST
    Assuming you want to be taken seriously.

    1. End your comments 75% earlier.  You have the makings of a relevant point in this one, the question of who is actually selling the shirts, and then you go and tack on this censorship / First Amendment stuff.  You do this a lot, adding wild tangents to an otherwise not entirely terrible post.  Why?  Are you just planting the seed for a way to change the subject later?

    2. Read your own links.  Thoseshirts does not appear to offer a "Muslim = Terrorist" bumper sticker, or any item bearing that text, or any bumper stickers at all.


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    roy, of course the links don't show (none / 0) (#9)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 12:41:59 PM EST
    the bumper sticker he uses as an example of "an orgaznization that sells Muslim = Terrorist bumper stickers."

    He didn't mean for it too. He just wanted to make the charge, show a link and let everyone assume.

    That's the basis of any smear.

    And when he's caught, he claims that isn't what he was doing. I wonder if the bumper sticker ever existed? Although I have no doubt someone is quite capable of printing them.

    As to the First Amendment, I was commenting that both sides have the right to Free Speech. Since we are discussing political speech, very nasty ugly political speech, I don't see it as a tangent.

    Especially when Squeaky had just used it as a defense for a convicted felon in a comment less than 8 hours old.

    That is a double standard, and deserves to be noted.

    BTW - Thanks for your criticism. I'll try to quit assuming that everyone has read all the comments made over the past week and be more descriptive and concise.

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    Sounds about right (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by squeaky on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 11:22:06 AM EST
    Here is something from TPM reader RB's suggested response to Republican hate speech:
    "This is who and what the once proud and honorable Republican Party has turned itself into. It is a party of hate, intolerance, incompetence, greed, treason, fanatical, hostile to science and reality, and totally corrupt. They have no honor and no shame. They're fascists and a cancer on our great nation, plain and simple and this is just another example of that."

    TPM

    Coulter is pesky. (none / 0) (#12)
    by Che's Lounge on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 06:29:52 PM EST
    Like a roadside bomb.

    HT to Laura (the twit) Bush.

    coulter is playing the rubes (none / 0) (#16)
    by cpinva on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 12:15:15 AM EST
    just like malkin, limbaugh, o'reilly, et al. for a buck, she'll say anything they want to hear, as will the rest of them. i don't think for a moment she actually believes any of the swill she spews, it's just a way to make cash. actually, i don't think she cares one way or another.

    if the rubes believe it, that's their problem.

    RePack, Al, onit2day, squeaky, et al (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:26:40 AM EST
    "At least 19 die in a suicide blast near Afghanistan's main US base, as Vice-President Dick Cheney visits.

    19 people die yet that son of a b*tch survives. Life just isnt fair."

    Link

    I linked to Blue Collar Heresy and it appears that the comment has disappeared.

    Now, since we're asking opinions, what is your opion of this comment?

    OK (none / 0) (#22)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 10:38:54 AM EST
    But why don't you pass judgment on these 13,989
    comments first. Enjoy it is right up your alley.

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    He could have (none / 0) (#23)
    by jondee on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:26:10 AM EST
    said "That son of a gun survives." But as Ann has always told us, the left loves vulgarity (and pornography).

    Ann is the queen (none / 0) (#24)
    by Che's Lounge on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 02:17:50 PM EST
    of leader-killing comments. Cheney is different from other murdering dictators only in that he has bigger weapons. But Jim has hit another vein, as many of us had "mixed feelings".

    You define yourselves (none / 0) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 05:48:28 PM EST
    I said that I found Coulter's remark despicable.

    Yet when we have an equally dspicable remark made by someone on the Left, none of you call it despicable.

    Hmmmmmm. Very interesting....

    He's on to us. (none / 0) (#26)
    by jondee on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 03:23:49 PM EST


    amazing to what lengths ... (none / 0) (#27)
    by Sailor on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 03:41:11 PM EST
    ... rethuglicans will go equate the hate filled speech by their popular spokepeople with some obscure commenter on a blog. yes, someone that made a comment that was deleted from a blog is exactly like best selling authors, guest speakers and national commentators.

    rethugs have defined themselves as the party of hate, prejudice and fearmongering because the ones they flock to hear (rush, coulter, malkin, beck, et al) constantly spew such filth and they reward them with millions of dollars

    Coulter's invitation to speak at the defining conservative event of the year, along with cheney and the three pandering flipflopping fools the rethugs are fielding, is proof of their sickness.

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    I read (none / 0) (#28)
    by jondee on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 04:13:19 PM EST
    a despicable comment, obviously written by someone on the Left, on a mens room wall today; the fact that no one on the Left condemns this, says alot about the Left.

    Wish I had those wicked skills (none / 0) (#29)
    by Sailor on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 06:10:02 PM EST
    Jondee's response was so much better than mine.

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