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Kyle Sampson Contradicts Alberto Gonzales on PurgeGate

Via Atrios.com

Specter asked about Attorney General Gonzales' "candor" in saying earlier this month that he was not a part of any discussions on the firings. He asked about the November 27, 2006 meeting "where there were discussions" and Gonzales allegedly attended. Was Gonzales' statement about taking part in no discussions accurate?

"I don't think it's accurate," Sampson said. "He recently clarified it. But he was present at the November 27 meeting."

"So he was involved in discussions in contrast to his statement" this month? Specter asked.

"Yes." Sampson replied.

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Sen. Charles Schumer then asked about Gonzales also claiming that he saw no documents on this matter.

Sampson replied: "I don't think it's entirely accurate."

Schumer: "There was repeated discussions??

Sampson: "Yes...at least five."

Schumer then asked if Gonzales was truthful in saying Sampson's information on the firings was not shared within the depaartment.

Sampson: "I shared information with whoever asked."

Schumer: "So the Attorney General's statement is false?"

Sampson: "I don't think it is accurate."

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    sampson offers NO "scooter" service! (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by the rainnn on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 12:52:11 PM EST
    i think the toughest questions
    are yet to come -- tune in this
    afternoon -- more on that, in
    a moment. . . i do think sampson
    showed, with his testimony this
    morning, just how clever he is
    at parsing his syntax to avoid
    a direct-hit-amid-ships. . .

    this afternoon's session, otoh, will
    not go nearly as easily, in my estimation.

    yet to come, is the direct grilling
    from sen. leahy on sampson's dec. 2006
    e-mail
    saying griffin's appointment was
    "important to karl; harriet. . ."

    vs. . .

    sampson's preparation of an e-mail
    in feb. 2007, outlining the rove had
    "no involvement in the selection" of
    griffin theme -- a line offered by DoJ
    to congressional inquiries, which we
    now know, and sampson MUST have known
    THEN, was FALSE -- c'mon! -- he wrote them
    both, and they are separated by only
    two months' time!

    leahy will take. him. apart. into.
    little. tiny. pieces. on. this.

    he's likely disbarred.

    is gonzo next? almost certainly.

    why? because sampson gave gonzo
    no "scooter libby-esque" bob-n-
    weave room at all, this morning. . .

    oops -- time to tune back in!

    afternoon session DOES NOT disappoint! (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by the rainnn on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 03:18:10 PM EST
    after kennedy grilled him
    on the emails i mentioned
    above, he said UNDER OATH,
    to the fury of arlen specter(!),
    that he had advocated the
    circumvention of the senate's
    authority -- using the patriot
    act -- on griffin's appointment,
    and "running out the clock" in bad
    faith. . .  sheesh!

    his law license seems toasted. . .

    later. . .

    he had suggested FIRING patrick
    fitzgerald during his investigation
    of the c.i.a. leak -- plame matter.

    amazing! -- he's now saying,
    under oath, that the white
    house may have specifically
    approved the termination list.

    "perhaps harriet mier?" - the attorney
    general did, but maybe someone
    in the white house "may" have
    also specifically approved it.

    sampson is singing like a
    canary now. . . he is gonna'
    burn the whole administration's
    house of cards down -- without even
    realizing he's doing it. i think
    he is genuinely not aware of the
    gravity that attaches to these
    statements he is making re
    himself, rove, gonzales, etc.. . .

    and ultimately, bush and cheney. . .

    developing. . .

    Huh?? (1.00 / 1) (#8)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 11:59:10 PM EST
    Let me see, he has confessed to recommending a legal act...

    Hmmm. Sounds very bad to me... But maybe I don't understand what is illegal about recommending a legal act...

    Parent

    He also confessed (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 01:40:26 AM EST
    that his boss is a liar.  On multiple occasions.

    Bummer.

    He confessed that the complicated process of selecting and grading US Attorneys was done ENTIRELY IN HIS HEAD.  Yes, that's right, a dozen people contributed to this two year process without writing down a word of it!  I know it's hard to believe, but that's what he told the Senate.

    Who knew that the DoJ was illiterate?

    Funny how he could maintain all that stuff in his head for two years, and can't remember any of it a month later.

    Parent

    RePack (1.00 / 1) (#17)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 10:07:21 AM EST
    No, saying that someone made an inaccurate comment is not calling them liars.

    And claiming that in itself inaccurate.

    So, If I wantd to, what should I call you??

    I'll just settle with the fact that you, like many, many, many on the Left like to use the lie word every chance you get.

    When I read the word being used in such a manner, I alwats wonder what type of a personal life you must lead that makes you act so.

    Do you do it in your other activities?

    "Hey Pack! I think Joe's estimate on the Smith's Job was inaccurate!"

    "What? He's a liar. Yes a liar!!!!!!!"

    Have a nice day.

    Parent

    lying to congress is a crime ... (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Sailor on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 12:02:12 PM EST
    ... and he was hoist on his own retard.

    Parent
    see, jim -- he swore an oath, as an attorney. . . (4.00 / 1) (#13)
    by the rainnn on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 07:57:20 AM EST
    sampson is not supposed to
    advise his clients to
    engage in unlawful -- read
    criminal -- circumventions
    of senate advice and consent
    power, nor abuses of the
    patriot act -- re the
    appointment of u.s. attys.
    this he admits was offered
    in "bad faith" -- my point
    was, in this way, he has
    likely shown himself unfit
    to practice law. . .  but
    we will see what his state's
    bar authorities have to say
    about that. . .  i, too, will
    go long orville redenbacher
    stock -- way long! -- later
    this morning (h/t redpack rider).

    cheers!

    Parent

    No, the patroit act was legal (1.00 / 1) (#16)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 10:01:13 AM EST
    No what he said, according to you:

    he said UNDER OATH,
    to the fury of arlen specter(!),
    that he had advocated the
    circumvention of the senate's
    authority -- using the patriot
    act --


    Parent
    please read for comprehension, jim. (none / 0) (#30)
    by the rainnn on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 01:25:26 PM EST
    . . .and understand that mine
    was a short-hand for almost
    ten minutes of back and forth,
    in which, at the end, d. kyle
    sampson -- a lawyer -- admitted,
    under oath that he was advocating
    a "bad faith" circumvention of the
    law -- to which criminal penalties
    attach -- and advocating a
    "bad faith" abuse of the pro-
    visions of the patriot act, all to
    acheive a political favor for
    a close protege of karl rove
    .

    the patriot act is supposed to
    help fight terror, and allowed,
    for a time, the appointment of
    AGs without advice and consent
    of the congress. . .

    he wanted to stand a terror-fighting
    measure on its head to deliver a pol-
    itical favor. . .

    the bar authorities will very
    likely ask him about all of this. . .

    Parent

    the problems not found in most media clips (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 09:58:14 PM EST
    I watched some of the hearings on C-span and all the clips on all the media since then.  I am one of those civic-minded troublers of society, I guess. . .

    There is an awful lot missing on your local TV news, but the best first step is six minutes of Olberman and his selection of clips.  The MSM selection of clips mostly focuses on irrelevant things or Sampson saying that Gonzales was at the Nov 27 meeting.  That is only a very small first step.

    The first major thing to note is that we have a complete disagreement between Gonzales and Sampson about who was the principal decision maker for this process.  Sampson says it was the pair: Gonzales and Harriet Miers.  Gonzales says it was Sampson.  It seems to me that additional testimony should be taken to determine which of these 3, if any, was the principal decision maker.

    According to Harriet Miers, who was the principal decision maker?  If there is a White House spokesman who takes questions, isn't this a fair question?  And, according to the persons at the Nov 27 meeting, who was the principal decision maker?  Personally, I would guess that Sampson is right and that Gonzales and Miers were the chief decision makers.  Someone came up with the idea to fire some and put in others, and to do so based on some criteria.  We may agree that the criteria are as yet imperfectly clear, perhaps even to the Democrats.  It wasn't Sampson's idea; it was that of Miers.  Presumably, Sampson, with Gonzales's permission and instruction, carried out her wishes.  So, in that case, Miers is the principal while Gonzales watched passively as the DOJ was politicized and Sampson carried out her wishes?

    Also, in the testimony on C-span, one of the senators goes over with Sampson the alleged reasons for getting rid of Iglesias and shows how the alleged and purported reasons can't be squared with known facts about Iglesias performance, notably, his being tasked by the DOJ to instruct other US attns about combatting voter fraud.

    So, the claims that there are no improper reasons for the firings appears impossible.  Perhaps Sampson honestly somewhat believed it, but after his testimony re Iglesias with the senator, how could he believe it now?  If there were no improper reasons for the firing of Iglesias, why has the DOJ lied and produced obviously false ones?

    And, if he admits that the official reasons for firing Iglesias can't be squared with the facts, shouldn't he be recalled and asked again to reaffirm his belief that no one was fired for improper reasons?

    Even Sampson, after reviewing the record with the Senator, agrees that Iglesias was doing a good or excellent job, and should not have been fired, or, at least, that his firing cannot be justified based on the reasons officially given heretofore.  If not, that leaves only that Iglesias did not keep some Republicans happy as the reason, and Sampson believes that that is a sufficient reason to fire any US attn at any time!

    Why should it be justified? (1.00 / 1) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 10:08:40 AM EST
    .....At the pleasure of.....

    Parent
    Sampson seems to be a pretty tough cookie (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 09:23:21 AM EST
    so far.  He has a cute pout too, it reminds me of someone from the Little Rascals gang but I can't quite place it, is it Spanky's pout?  My teen daughter is home in the mornings now due to new school scheduling from the tornado.  We shared a baked brie for lunch yesterday as she is starting to develop some adult aquired tastes.  She asked who I had been watching on Cspan all morning saying he couldn't remember over and over and over again?  Even teenagers who know nothing of the details and care to know nothing of the details find Sampson's constant pleading of forgetfullness impossible to believe.

    Can't get away from the Spanking, eh? (1.00 / 1) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 10:15:06 AM EST
    BTW - You should explain to your daughter that when you are a Repub under oath speaking to a Demo committee that anything you say will have to be 100% correct at all times or else they're gonna try and nail you for perjury..

    In a greater view, your daughter's reaction, and the fact that you, and other Lefties and Demos, understand that reaction and is using it, shows how the group colors, and how far it will go to win.

    Parent

    Win what? (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 10:19:05 AM EST
    Political power (1.00 / 1) (#26)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 10:45:06 AM EST
    BTW - I recommend you as the Director of Spanking.

    Parent
    I brought up spanking once (none / 0) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 12:29:09 PM EST
    You on the other hand can't seem to get me + spanking out of your mind. Everything I write is somehow mentally connected to spanking for you.  To each his own though.

    Parent
    In other words Jim - (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Edger on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 10:25:06 AM EST
    You think it's a good idea to explain to your daughter that lying is not a good idea? Especially under oath because she might be held accountable for it? And just in general also?

    Wow. What a concept.

    Parent

    If only Sampson had been (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 10:29:36 AM EST
    getting blowjobs from U.S. Attorneys, then we would have an honestly moral reason to hold hearings.

    Parent
    Hey!!!! (4.00 / 0) (#24)
    by Edger on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 10:32:09 AM EST
    Now there's coffee all over my monitor.

    Jeeze. LOL!

    Parent

    edger (1.00 / 1) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 10:43:43 AM EST
    Yes, I think explaining the facts of life to children, and how careful you must be when you are egaged with people who are seeking to destroy you, is very important.

    Do you now, or have you ever had a child??

    BTW - Your base premise is incorrect because you assume that "a lie" is involved, and imply one is.

    Reminds me of squeaky's law.

    Posted by Squeaky at September 19, 2005 11:19 PM

    Rove never needed proof for his smear machine, why should I.



    Parent
    Think it through, Jim. (none / 0) (#27)
    by Edger on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 11:03:26 AM EST
    Think of the consequences.

    My gawd Jim, a concept like that, if applied to everyone, would BURY the Cheney/Bush crime family utterly, finally, and forever.

    Heh. You sure you want to go down that road?

    Parent

    A toast! (4.50 / 2) (#6)
    by Joe Bob on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 07:41:24 PM EST
    That's quite possibly the best graphic I've ever seen on this site.

    agreed! (none / 0) (#14)
    by the rainnn on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 07:59:06 AM EST
    very clever, that!

    salud!

    Parent

    And what would be an improper (1.00 / 0) (#9)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 12:00:55 AM EST
    reason to fire a politcal appointee??

    umm...because they were US Attorneys (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by Teresa on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 12:53:30 AM EST
    who were prosecuting Republicans instead of Democrats to the dismay of the administration?

    Parent
    Let me help (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 01:55:59 AM EST
    And what would be an improper reason to fire a politcal appointee??

    As Mr. Sampson himself agreed while under oath, it would be improper to do so in order to influence an investigation into political corruption, because that would be obstruction of justice.  Obstruction of justice is a federal crime.  (See: Libby, Scooter)

    That being the case, according to the Chief of Staff for the Attorney General, who certainly should know, the Senate should look very hard at these firings to see if anyone was fired for that reason.  (Cough* Lam *Cough)  Since this prominent Republican attorney, formerly #2 at the DoJ, agrees that there is a good reason for the Senate to be doing what it is doing, who are you to argue?

    It is always my pleasure to help you understand very simple concepts.

    Parent

    Toast (none / 0) (#1)
    by HeadScratcher on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 11:35:08 AM EST


    Burnt toast. (none / 0) (#4)
    by Edger on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 01:12:49 PM EST
    "Whoever asked." What does that mean? (none / 0) (#2)
    by cal11 voter on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 11:46:17 AM EST
    Did anyone ask him?  If not, does that mean his information was not shared within the Department?  I hope a transcript or recording of his testimony is available somewhere.

    Um, atrios.blogspot.com (none / 0) (#29)
    by Avedon on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 12:59:20 PM EST
    (And yes, Gonzales and the whole gang of 'em should go to jail.)