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Beltway Amnesia: What O'Hanlon Was Ripped For

Kevin Drum and his Beltway correspondent have very bad memories:

A member in (extremely good) standing of the VSP community emails to suggest a delicate topic for the liberal blogosphere to take a second look at:
One thing you might write about — if only because nobody else has, I think — is how that whole dust-up over the O'Hanlon/Pollack op-ed looks in retrospect. I mean, clearly they were on to something — the relative quieting down of stuff that has taken place in Iraq over the last several months, etc. -- it's not like the caricature of them put forth in the blogosphere at the time . . . holds up, does it?
Hmmm. Yes.

Hmm, no. O'Hanlon and Pollock were ripped for LYING that they were critics of the Iraq War and Surge. I wrote this:

[G]ive [Congressman Brian] Baird his due, he is not lying when he says he was a war and Surge critic. Michael O'Hanlon IS lying when he says he was an Iraq war and Surge critic. One argument merits respect. It is not the one made by the dishonest Michael O'Hanlon.

Kevin Drum and his Beltway friend have very poor memories. On the merits of course, they are also wrong. But I will leave that for another post.

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    Why can't some of the O'Hanlon critics admit: (1.00 / 0) (#8)
    by Green26 on Fri Dec 21, 2007 at 05:01:51 AM EST
    1. They focused on a relatively small point in order to try to undercut the op-ed piece.

    2. They overstated the situation by saying the authors had "lied" about their prior war views.

    3. They, or at least most, refused to address the substance of what was said in the op-ed piece.

    4. The op-ed piece assessment turned out to be correct, or largely correct.

    5. They, or at least some, are still trying to defend their original position--even though it almost looks silly that they are still clinging to their original small point of criticism.

    P.S. To anyone who may recall from last summer when I was posting a bit, and when I said my son, an Army Ranger, had been wounded in Iraq, his unit is now back on US soil and he will be home next week for the first time since Feb. After surgery in Qatar (to fix a 4-inch shrapnel hole in his back and remove a piece) and a couple months of rehab, he recovered enough to get back in action before his unit left Iraq.

    Really, O'Hanlon didn't say this? (none / 0) (#9)
    by Dark Avenger on Fri Dec 21, 2007 at 08:39:52 AM EST
    From an NPR Interview, September 28, 2003:

        LIANE HANSEN: Michael O'Hanlon is a senior fellow at The Brookings Institution. He just returned from a Pentagon-sponsored visit to Iraq and he's in the studio. Welcome back, Michael. What's it like in Iraq?

        MICHAEL O'HANLON: Well, it's obviously tough. It's a little better, however, than I thought for a couple of reasons. One is I think the counterinsurgency effort is going fairly well. Now obviously, you mention the number of attacks per day that continue; it's a real concern. We're still losing troops. Everyone's aware of that. The truck bombings in August were tragic. The assassination of the Governing Council member was tragic, but overall, the counterinsurgency mission seems to be going well in that we are taking out a lot more people than we're losing and I believe we're using force fairly selectively and carefully on balance.

        There's some mistakes here and there. Also, security is pretty good in most of the country despite the fact that it's not good everywhere and that we certainly hear the reports of violence on a daily basis.

        HANSEN: You say it was better than you thought. What were the surprises? Were there any?

        O'HANLON: I would say that the main surprise for me was probably that one could travel around the country, even flying over contested areas, with relatively confident sense of security. There wasn't as much need to avoid certain areas as I might have expected.

        There is obviously violence. There was violence in some of the regions that we visited on the days we were there. But you're talking about specific, isolated acts just like you would get in an American city. I'm not trying to say that this is a country at peace, but overall, we really do run most of the country together with our Iraqi partners and the resistance forces are very small pockets who operate only at a given moment here or there. . . .

        HANSEN: The Defense Department this past week announced the mobilization of 10,000 soldiers from the Army National Guard. The Bush administration has been trying to get countriesâ€"actually, mainly trying to get countries to sign up for peacekeeping responsibilities. Is the contingent, do you think, of the 160,000 American and British troops in and around Iraq sufficient?

        O'HANLON: My impression is it's roughly sufficient. I would probably go a little higher. But the bigger problem is just sustaining that number is going to be very hard, and that's the reason we have to call up more National Guardsmen.

    And, just incidentally, despite heralding his Recent Trip to Iraq, as though that demonstrates he really knows what is going on "on the ground," this is what it consists of:

        HANSEN: Final question. Your visit was sponsored by the Defense Department. Are you concerned that you perhaps were given a rather narrow view of the country by your hosts?

        O'HANLON: There's no doubt. But we only had a couple days there. We talked primarily to American officials. However, we could be quite prying and we could really push them. And I think overall, nonetheless, I was reassured. We didn't meet a lot of Iraqis who could tell us how things were going, but on balance, I think we had some access.

    As Greenwald himself says:

    they have these new things now called "computers" that record what people say and write and keep all of that stored. So if someone claims to be a "war critic" or "war opponent," you can actually look and find out whether that is true.

    Link

    As for the current situation in Iraq, Rosa Brooks covered it well in yesterdays' LAT:

    Over the last year, sectarian cleansing has often occurred with reluctant American connivance. Our troops have watched helplessly as neighbors have driven out neighbors, and the walls that U.S. troops build help freeze the new sectarian boundaries in place. In Washington, the administration still speaks of a unified Iraqi central government and "national reconciliation," but in practice, we've gained a respite from violence in part because we've given up on reconciliation and accepted sectarian segregation as the new status quo.

    In other words, for all the early rhetoric about benchmarks, "political progress" and reconciliation, the truth is that most Washington insiders accept that we're heading toward a different and much grimmer version of Iraq. As Joost Hiltermann of the International Crisis Group comments: "Iraq is moving in the direction of a failed state, with competing centers of power run by warlords and militias. The central government has no political control whatsoever beyond Baghdad, maybe not even beyond the Green Zone."

    We used to say we wanted freedom and democracy. But these days, we'll settle for more warlords, more segregation and fewer bodies.



    [ Parent ]
    I'm happy for your son and his family. (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 21, 2007 at 10:29:39 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    And isn't O'Hanlon a consultant to (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 04:23:53 PM EST
    Hillary Clinton's campaign, I'm sorry to recall?

    She dropped him (none / 0) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 05:20:27 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Glad to hear it. Was this publicly (none / 0) (#3)
    by oculus on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 05:27:31 PM EST
    announced?

    [ Parent ]
    Yes (none / 0) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 05:32:18 PM EST
    Saw it somewhere.

    [ Parent ]
    I checked Wiki, Greenwald interview, (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 05:35:12 PM EST
    and Hillary Clinton campaign webpage.  Nothing.

    [ Parent ]
    Check Yglesias (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 05:45:15 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Pfft. Clinton campaign should announce it, as (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 06:17:09 PM EST
    as should MY newspaper, which ran that deceitfull op ed.

    [ Parent ]
    Some on Left wrong; Surge basically worked (none / 0) (#11)
    by Green26 on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 11:42:02 PM EST
    I believe this is the phrase that Big Tent and some others criticized so harshly:

    "As two analysts who have harshly criticized the Bush administration's miserable handling of Iraq,...."

    Above Big Tent says: "Michael O'Hanlon IS lying when he says he was an Iraq war and Surge critic."

    It seems to me that bloggers, of all people, should be able to see some difference between someone saying they were critical of the handling of the war" and someone being an "Iraq war and Surge critic".

    To me, these things are not the same. Also, to me, the essence of the article was far more important than the phrase that BT and others seized upon.

    Again, I think BT and others may have realized the article might have some impact contrary to their own views, and they seized upon this (small) opportunity to try to undercut the article.

    I'm not saying the war is going to be won, or was a good idea, but the Surge appears to have been a good idea, and it has been largely successful in the military sense.

    Some of the Left said the Surge wouldn't work. Now, with it having worked, those same people can't admit it's worked. They have moved on to attacking something else.

    I don't have a big problem with them moving on to say that we're still not going to be successful in Iraq, but I would have more respect for them if they would admit that they were wrong on the Surge.