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    More comedy... (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by kdog on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 01:41:21 PM EST
    in the Brooklyn Bridge White Flag incident...NYPD Intelligence (oxymoron alert!) took a little field trip and climbed the bridge to "look at the process for taking the flag up and down."  With the chopper and police boats in tow.

    The comedic gift that keeps on giving, I swear, I hope this investigation makes it all the way to cold case because it's just so f8ckin' entertaining!  

    In serious news, "Broken Windows" policing broke another poor slob's head over the weekend.  Where's the hope and change DeBlasio/Bratton?  Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    Huh? I'm sorry, but ... (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 05:03:37 PM EST
    kdog: "Where's the hope and change DeBlasio/Bratton?  Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

    ... this isn't some TV show, where everything is neatly resolved in one episode. Given that Bill de Blasio's only held the mayor's office for seven months, I would expect that it's going to take a little more time than that to alter the collective mindset of an entire police bureaucracy, never mind one which has been in place and set in its ways for the better part of a century or more.

    And if you can't see that, then you're likely as much a part of the overall problem as the cops on the street. Because from a political standpoint, you're really nothing more than a fair-weather constituent who can hardly be counted upon to support the mayor in his struggle to reform the manner in which NYPD conducts business. And rest assured, if and when Mayor de Blasio and NYPD Commissioner Bill Bratton do finally undertake the reform of NYPD's ranks, they will face significant political pushback.

    And when I'm talking pushback, I mean the sort of emotional button-pushing "law and order / quality of life" folderol that once got you the likes of Rudy Giuliani and Bernie Kerik as Hizonner and Commish, respectively. Giuliani's 1993 election not only retarded the cause of NYPD reform for almost an entire generation, it actually served to exacerbate the department's longstanding ethical and behavioral issues, in particular its often rocky relationship with the city's various minority communities.

    You don't think that can't happen again? Well, it can and it will, if you and your fellow decent-minded New Yorkers don't show some testicular fortitude of your own and demonstrate to Mayor de Blasio that you have his back. Because honestly, why would either de Blasio or Bratton even attempt such a monumental task as the reform of NYPD, if they felt that the average NY voter has no real stomach to sustain such an effort on their part?

    Human nature being what it is, there are very few elected officials who are willing to allow their professional fate to rest in the hands of such a fickle voter base, and even fewer appointed officials who would willingly fall on their swords for reform simply as a matter of principle.

    As I've said earlier, if you seek real change, then you must resolve to become an effective instrument of that change. And that requires you to play the long game politically, which means standing behind the guy you supported for NY mayor in the recent election, and affording him and his team a real opportunity to prove themselves -- not throwing up your hands in impatient despair after only seven months, and writing them off for the duration.



    Isn't the mayor in Italy? (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 01:43:41 PM EST
    He was... (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by kdog on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 01:51:32 PM EST
    Just got back this weekend.  He didn't cut the vacay short over the rash of citizens winding up bloodied or choked to death on the streets of NY.

    Sh*t even the white flags didn't get him to change his flight! ;)


    More serious would be (none / 0) (#3)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 01:48:59 PM EST
    two US Marshals and an NYPD detective being shot today while attemting to serve a warrant in the West Village at West Fourth Street and Avenue of the Americas.

    I expect stuff like that to happen... (none / 0) (#5)
    by kdog on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 01:58:14 PM EST
    go to slap chains on people, they might try to defend themselves.  Go figure.

    4 human beings got shot fwiw...the suspect is dead, the marshals and cop are in stable condition.


    Are you serious? (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 02:03:32 PM EST
    Yeah... (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by kdog on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 02:16:30 PM EST
    serving arrest warrants is dangerous work...you don't expect some suspects to resist violently? Unfortunate, but understandable.  

    What one doesn't expect is to be choked to death for selling loosies, or getting stomped for rolling a joint.  ymmv


    loosies.. (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 05:10:05 PM EST
    that's so utterly pathetic. They've got a special police detail downtown here in Roc City that rounds up these old guys out-of-money-at-the-end-of-the-month who are trying to make a couple of bucks (literally); meanwhile I can go four blocks away and get a bag of heroin in a few minutes.  

    Nobody deserves to be treated like that, ... (none / 0) (#24)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 05:43:37 PM EST
    ... especially by members of a public agency which depends upon taxpayer funding for its operations. After all, it's 2014, and not 1910.

    Put your hands together... (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by kdog on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 02:59:32 PM EST
    for the Satanic Temple, using the Hobby Lobby decision for good instead of evil.

    "My dark lord said to stick your informed consent up your arse!  Got a problem?  Take it up with Reverend Roberts."

    NFL (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 04:11:06 PM EST
    Ray Rice knocks his future wife out cold and gets a two game suspension.  But he gets paid for one of the games.  Video, at 1:00 mark.

    Of the 39 substance use suspensions in 2013, two were for a single game, two for two games, one for three games, and the rest, 35 people, were four games or more.

    In the NFL eyes, taking Adderall or Ritalin is a far greater offense than knocking out a woman cold.  It's not like Rice is some phenom, he had 660 yards in 2013.

    The NFL isn't even trying to defend this non-sense, which IMO is indefensible.  Knocking out a woman cold in public, especially by a pure muscle machine, should have landed Ray Rice in jail for a month and sitting out a year from football.

    The NBA suspended an owner from ever attending a game because of words, yet the NFL can't find it in their reasoning to suspend a wife beater for at the least the same length of time as someone who tried Adderall at a party.

    Man it sucks to watch a game you love run by idiots who hate women.

    I think you'd really appreciate ... (none / 0) (#21)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 05:28:46 PM EST
    ... Keith Olbermann's spot-on take on the subject, which he delivered on the air at ESPN last Thursday to rave reviews. It's the sort of no-holds-barred editorial takedown which once endeared him to mainstream news audiences at MSNBC a decade ago, before his acerbic personality served to alter his career trajectory.

    Keith Olbermann is still in love with (none / 0) (#25)
    by Anne on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 05:46:05 PM EST
    Keith Olbermann.  Anyone who would so deliberately misstate the consequences of the league's substance abuse policy isn't interested in truth, he's interested in himself.  You don't get suspended for an entire year the first time you violate the substance abuse policy - but there's Keith, making it seem like you do, comparing Rice's first-time violation of the personal conduct policy to what someone would get after multiple violations of the substance abuse policy.

    He may have made some good points, but I can't get past his utter blowhardiness.  Maybe some people find him endearing, but I'm not one of them.


    Scott...there has never been any (none / 0) (#23)
    by Anne on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 05:40:30 PM EST
    definitive statement by anyone - by law enforcement, by the courts, by the parties involved, by the NFL, by the Ravens - as to what happened inside that elevator.  ALL anyone in the general public has seen is the video of him dragging her out of he elevator.

    So, when I hear people in the media, and the general public, state some version of "Ray Rice beat up his now-wife," I have to ask myself why people are so willing to state something they don't know to be true.  It's like they don't really care what happened, they just saw the aftermath and made up their minds what happened before those elevator doors opened.

    Reporting on this has been all kinds of terrible, with people who are supposed to know better seeming to deliberately be misleading the public.  Well, nothing new there.

    Don't get me wrong, please: I am not condoning any act of violence against women.  I'm not making excuses for Rice, I'm not assigning any blame to his wife.  Saying a woman provoked a man to hit her is the same as saying a woman "asked" to be raped or abused because of what she was wearing.

    I've had two thoughts on the whole thing: (1) if there was video of him cold-cocking her, I truly believe it would have made its way into the media.  That leads me to think it wasn't as clear-cut as him just hauling off and hitting her.  I think they were probably both hammered and close to falling-down drunk, and something between them got out of hand.  Which still doesn't excuse the incident.

    (2) We're still waiting for the Jim Irsay punishment, and someone today suggested the Ray Rice leniency was because what they're going to hand out to Irsay will be even more lenient.

    Please don't make the mistake everyone else is making, and compare this to the violations of the substance abuse policies - those are collectively bargained consequences, and every player in the NFL knows what those consequences are; the same is not true for violations of personal conduct.

    But at least tell the truth: he did not knock her out in public.  He just didn't.  We don't even know if he did knock her out - maybe he pushed her and she passed out.  Still not right, but please: there is no video that any of us have seen of him knocking her out.  There just isn't.

    If there was video that showed that, why did law enforcement let them go home together?  Don't you think that if he'd cold-cocked her, this would have been elevated to something a lot more serious from a legal perspective than simple assault?

    There's been more intervention in this case than the average domestic incident - and that's a good thing.  If this incident kept these two people from spiraling into something much, much worse, that's a good thing, too.  

    Trust me - this will dog him the rest of his career, just as there are still idiots who claim Ray Lewis murdered two people.


    Edgar Allan Poe (none / 0) (#26)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 05:46:09 PM EST
    wouldn't be that loyal a Raven's fan; even if they paid him royalties.

    Seriously, my first thought when I saw the video was "Man, that woman's trashed!" Is there any record of her being examined by anyone for marks or bruises?


    Anne, both Ray Rice and his then-fiancée ... (none / 0) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 06:48:08 PM EST
    ... Janay Palmer were arrested by Atlantic City police after the altercation -- and it was a physical altercation, by the couple's own admission. Further, Rice subsequently pleaded no contest to a charge of aggravated assault, the acceptance of which was deferred pending his successful completion of a domestic violence interdiction program, while the charges against Palmer were dropped.

    Obviously, there was some physical evidence that Rice punched Palmer out, and Atlantic City authorities have further stated that they possess surveillance video footage from that elevator clearly showing that he socked her, which they have declined to release to the public. I would have otherwise taken such a publicly unsubstantiated claim for what it was worth, had not Rice pleaded no contest to that aggravated assault charge. Why would he take a DANC plea, had Palmer simply passed out drunk in the elevator?

    Rice further courted public controversy after the incident, when he told the media during his May 23 press conference, after he entered his no contest plea:

    "I won't call myself a failure. Failure is not getting knocked down, it's not getting up."

    Personally, that doesn't sound to me like someone whose actions have been misconstrued. At the very least, I find that to be a remarkably revelatory (if very poor) choice of words, given what had happened. In my opinion, those were the tone-deaf remarks of someone who was not quite fully repentant about what he did to the woman he supposedly loves, and who was somewhat unconcerned about any further potential public fallout from the matter.

    Sorry, Anne, but I have to respectfully disagree with you here. You're absolutely correct in noting that Ray Rice did not coldcock Janay Palmer in public, and in pointing out that both may have been inebriated at the time of the incident. But by his own public admission, Rice punched Palmer in that elevator -- and for an NFL player to do that to a woman who's significantly smaller than he is, regardless of the alleged levels of provocation and / or inebriation, well, that's simply unconscionable.

    Not too long ago, the NFL suspended Pittsburgh QB Ben Roethlisberger for six games (later reduced to four) after he was implicated in an alleged sexual assault, an incident for which he was never legally charged with a crime by Georgia law enforcement. That the league would now find Ray Rice's actions worthy of only a two-game suspension seems inexplicable to a lot of people, and rightly so.



    Coming soon to a parallel universe near you! (none / 0) (#7)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 02:08:34 PM EST
    This is totally John McCain's fault -- and all for only $9.95 per month:

    "People are nuanced. They have different layers and different levels. Too often people in public life are reduced to easily digestible cartoons [...] What we're excited about is giving voice, for literally thousands of people who are out there, to someone who's got passion and something to say and has a rabid audience that wants to hear it."
    -- Jonathan Klein, former president of CNN's U.S. operations, announcing that "The Sarah Palin Channel" is up and running as of 9:00 p.m. EDT last might.

    "Nuanced" isn't exactly the term I'd use to describe Mrs. Bullwinkle's rabid fan base. I was thinking more along the lines of "insipid" and "gullible." The worst day's work the Arizona senator ever did in his life was the day he chose that flagrant opportunist as his 2008 running mate.

    And that concludes today's "Beam Me Up, Scotty" moment. Aloha.

    If word-salad politics from the right (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 03:24:26 PM EST
    are your thing, delivered in a voice that could cut through 1/2 inch-thick steel plating, the Quitbull can be all yours now for 10$/month.

    Ha! I hate to admit it, but ... (none / 0) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 05:12:31 PM EST
    ... Sarah Palin's voice sounds exactly like my younger sister's. Now, I love my sister dearly but that said, hers is a voice which can corrode the copper wiring of telephone transmission lines. (Good thing she doesn't read this blog.)

    9.95 (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 03:57:11 PM EST
    seems to be the going rate for cult membership these days. I guess she can't let Glenn Beck get all the action.

    What percentage of subscribers (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 05:08:23 PM EST
    Do you think will be press?

    Depends (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 05:34:03 PM EST
    on how many followers she gets. If she gets a million, probably a good 10,000 will be from the press corps. They seem to have a morbid fascination with watching the trainwreck named Sarah Palin. I'm QUITE SURE the GOP DC political establishment is not happy about this because at least when she was speaking at gatherings it was somewhat canned. Can you imagine what kind of stuff she's going to say when there is no one there to present any sort of filter? I mean it's already bad enough with the limited one there is now.

    "has a rabid audience" (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 02:36:11 PM EST
    Put them down.   Poor things.

    There is also a new NEWSMAX (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 02:41:19 PM EST
    Channel on dish.

    Newsmax Media today announced that it has reached a distribution agreement with satellite TV provider DISH Network Corp. for Newsmax TV, expanding the reach of the forthcoming news, information and lifestyle channel to nearly 35 million satellite homes and businesses when it soft launches on June 16.

    The new distribution deal puts Newsmax in more than one-third of U.S. cable and satellite homes. Last week the company announced a distribution deal with DIRECTV, the nation's largest satellite provider reaching more than 20 million subscribers.

    In announcing the DISH agreement, Newsmax Media CEO Christopher Ruddy said he expects Newsmax TV's distribution to grow by the time the channel, which targets the interests and needs of an underserved Baby Boomer audience officially launches this fall.

    "Newsmax TV's agreement with DISH further accelerates our path to initial carriage in 40 percent of U.S. homes," Ruddy said.

    Under served?


    Underserved (none / 0) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 04:10:56 PM EST
    is the same thing I was thinking. LOL. There's plenty of channels for the nuts already.

    A sawbuck a month... (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 03:44:14 PM EST
    for The Onion Network doesn't sound like a bad deal at all.