Your Liberal Media: Rudy "Straight Talking" Edition

How long with the "liberal" Media continue to refer to a bald faced liar as a straight talker? Bob Somerby documents the atrocities:

[P]onder this statement by the New York Post’s Charlie Hurt. The boys were discussing Saint Rudy:
HURT (11/6/07): You know, because [Giuliani] is such a gun-slinger, and because he is such a straight-talker, people believe him . . .

Giuliani’s endless, howling misstatements are becoming the stuff of legend—but to Hurt, he’s still a “straight-talker.” But then, Time’s Mike Allen had stated this view roughly one minute before:

ALLEN: . . . It turns out they like his gun-slinging, straight-shooting swagger, that he comes across—he will answer a question, he will say, “No way, no how.” People like that.
To Allen, he’s a “straight-shooter.” . . .

All week, Clinton’s “evasiveness” and “double-talk” have been trashed on Hardball—like Gore’s lies and Kerry’s flip-flops before her. But Giuliani is still a “straight-talker!” There is absolutely nothing on earth that will keep these lads from their Group Tales.

And the Hillary Haters cheer. More.

On Countdown last night, Wayne Barrett laid out some more howlers from Rudy:

OLBERMANN: There is also the question of whether Pat Robertson has now by endorsing Rudy Giuliani endorsed torture? Asked his views of waterboarding over the weekend, Mayor Giuliani telling Al Hunt of Bloomberg News that not only does he support the technique but also that he used, quote, “Intensive questioning” as a federal prosecutor in New York to elicit information from the mob.


RUDY GIULIANI, ® PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If I didn‘t use intensive questioning, there would be a lot of mafia guys running around New York right now and crime would be a lot higher in New York than it is. Intensive questioning has to be used. Torture should not be used. The line between the two is a difficult one.


OLBERMANN: Intensive investigating—enhanced interrogation—any way, right about now, David Chase has got to be thinking he took the sopranos off the air once he‘s do soon. Let‘s turn to Giuliani biographer, Wayne Barrett, author of “Grand Illusion: The untold story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11.” He‘s also senior editor of the “Village Voice” in New York. Thanks again for your time tonight, sir.


OLBERMANN: Though, there would seem to be only two options here. Either in his days as federal prosecutor in the southern district of New York, Rudy Giuliani waterboarded suspects in prosecutions of [RICO] cases or he‘s making all this up. Which one - as a guy who studied this man, which seems more realistic to you?

BARRETT: I think he might have been referring to the questioning he got when he got home from Donna (ph). He certainly, as a federal prosecutor, let‘s look at his big mob cases. His biggest mob case was the commission case. It was a tape case, Keith. He got some of the tapes. Mostly the FBI and even the state prosecutors in New York got tapes. They didn‘t flip a member of the commission. They had a bug in the home of Paul Castellano, the head of the Gambino crime family and the head of the commission. That‘s how they made those cases. There wasn‘t any serious interrogation. Not only that, assistant U.S. attorneys and FBI agents questioned witnesses. Not the United States attorney for the southern district of New York. Now, when he was a young prosecutor in the early 1970s, at the start really of his career, then he did make cases from the ground up. And he made himself famous, really in New York, by cross-examining a congressman who he indicted in 1974 named Burt Podell and he has claimed ever since that that cross-examination resulted in the middle of the cross-examination of Podell suddenly deciding to plead guilty. Well, in our books, both books, really, we examine his interrogation history and, clearly what happened, is that they had already reached an agreement—Rudy and the defense attorneys on the terms of a plea for Burt Podell. But they had to wait for the plea agreement to be approved in Washington. So the cross-examination proceeded and at the lunch break, Rudy walks up to the attorneys - and this is all supported in the transcript of the case, by the way. Rudy walks up to the attorneys and says “I‘ve got approval. Let‘s sign the agreement. Let‘s settle the agreement.” They get together in a conference room. They come back and the guy pleads guilty. Rudy attributed that to his cross-examination which was described in the news accounts as very—not very spectacular at all. Pretty mundane.

OLBERMANN: So, it‘s less waterboarding and more watercress sandwich that do that one. But to begin with, no New Yorkers ever going to believe there is a room in bowels (ph) of the Federal Court house in Brooklyn where made men was strapped down with the towel stuff in their mouths and noses and they were drenched with water and Giuliani supervised or had reports sent back to him. But, you know, he is not trying to convince New Yorkers who got on to his act a long time ago but does this not just play into this Giuliani fiction, this white knight idea on the national level, this idea that he single-handedly tamed godless, lawless, mafia-run New York and turned it into the shining Disney attraction it is today and he has merely updated the metaphor now for fans of the sopranos?

BARRETT: Certainly he has a decent record as a mob prosecutor. He happened to prosecute the wrong head of the Genovese crime family which was then the largest crime family in the city. He indicted fat Tony Salerno, the head of that crime family and it was subsequently established that John Gotti was the head of that crime family. So, he got the wrong head of one of the five crime families. But no one can take away from him he is a federal prosecutor successfully prosecuted important mob cases. You can‘t take that away from him. But it doesn‘t say anything about his ability to interrogate individuals in any kind of a setting. . . .

Rudy is a inveterate, serial, pathological liar.

But for your "liberal" Media, he is a straight shooter. Go figure.

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    What is the time limit on post conviction relief? (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 01:16:16 PM EST
    (Not that the jail house lawyers will worry about that)

    I can see it now:

    "Rudy admitted he violated my 5th amendment rights on TV! He beat a confession out of me"

    (Sidebar: Many years ago I was handed a file by the DA I worked for and was told to look into this. "This" turned out to be a post conviction relief petition based upon the alleged fact that the defendant was induced to plead guilty to armed robbery because he was told he could get earned time- which armed robbers were not eligible for. Another prisoner had gotten his plea revoked on those grounds. I dug up the file. I had happened under the previous DA's tenure.  I could see the prisoner had been charged with armed robbery, assault and kidnapping.  I talked to the steno, who gave me the sentencing hearing tapes. I listened to them over and over straining to make it out. Finally I figured out case numbers. He pled guilty to the Kidnapping and assualt charges after a jury convicted him of armed robbery.)

    i believe hizzoner (5.00 / 0) (#11)
    by cpinva on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 03:42:40 PM EST
    was also responsible for winning the battles of yorktown & gettysburg, and putting al capone behind bars. busy guy.

    this is the same media responsible for "straight talking st. john", so i wouldn't be too surprised.

    Straight talkin' Rudy? (1.00 / 0) (#3)
    by Edger on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 12:53:24 PM EST
    And I thought he was just reelin' in the suckers with his "folksy charm"... like straight shootin' George.

    She is not our nominee (none / 0) (#1)
    by Jgarza on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 12:43:14 PM EST
    Guiliani is not a straight talker.  That does not mean Clinton is one. If you point out the Clinton is over scripted, and calculating, that does not mean that you think Rudy is a straight talker.

    This is so ridiculous. We are in a primary campaign.  No one has voted she isn't our nominee.  Now is the time to point out her flaws.  

    Stop trying to subvert the democratic process, you cant anoint Hillary. She has to actually win elections.

    She has a cult of die hard supporters, but for the rest of us her biggest selling point has been that she will be the strongest candidates in a general.  I think the developments from the last debate have put that in doubt.  Before the debate it looked like her flaw, that she is over scripted and calculating, was actually an asset, because she would never make a gaffe.  I think after the debate we were shown that being over scripted and calculating will be a flaw.  It was never an asset, but she has a great campaign of professionals that made it look like one. The facade came crashing down, its going to be a liability. The beauty of the primary is that she has a chance to prove to us her flaw wont be fatal and she can over come it.  

    Stop calling people bad democrats for having doubts about your supreme leader!  

    Part of the reason Kerry was so vulnerable in the general was because he never had to take any heat in the primary.  GB had heard his flaws for 4 years he knew how to minimize them.  Hard fought primaries are important for our ability to win in a general.

    You took the bait (5.00 / 4) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 12:46:13 PM EST
    As I expected you would.

    Self identifying are we?


    that was bait? (none / 0) (#5)
    by Jgarza on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 01:56:08 PM EST
    You essentially said if say Hillary is evasive or speaks in double talk, you hate her, and are trying to help Rudy.

    It's the attack the massager technique, stop reverting to fox news tactics.


    I essentially said (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 02:10:27 PM EST
    was I actually wrote.

    You self identified as a cheering Hillary Hater.

    I did not essentially say anything you say I "essentially" said.

    I wrote it that way precisely to draw YOU, yes you specifically, in.

    You took the bait.


    lets look at what you actually wrote. (1.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Jgarza on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 02:49:08 PM EST
    first you say
    All week, Clinton's "evasiveness" and "double-talk" have been trashed

    then say

    And the Hillary Haters cheer. More

    implication if you think Hillary is evasive and uses double talk you hate her.


    Hate to burst your bubble (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 02:57:29 PM EST
    but, that was Somerby who wrote the first quote.

    Will Rudy get away with giving the appearance (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 02:43:35 PM EST
    of being a straight talker/shooter?  

    revisionist history (none / 0) (#8)
    by Jgarza on Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 02:45:15 PM EST
    You say that the flip flop label stuck Kerry because of the media.  Clearly you have learned nothing since 2004. The reason it stuck was because his campaign advisors told him he couldn't take a position against the war, or he would be portrayed as too weak.

    Same reason Hillary's double-talk/evasive label sticks.