home

WaPo Spreads Lies About Obama

Via Digby:

In his speeches and often on the Internet, the part of Sen. Barack Obama's biography that gets the most attention is not his race but his connections to the Muslim world.

Since declaring his candidacy for president in February, Obama, a member of a congregation of the United Church of Christ in Chicago, has had to address assertions that he is a Muslim or that he had received training in Islam in Indonesia, where he lived from ages 6 to 10. While his father was an atheist and his mother did not practice religion, Obama's stepfather did occasionally attend services at a mosque there.

Despite his denials, rumors and e-mails circulating on the Internet continue to allege that Obama (D-Ill.) is a Muslim, a "Muslim plant" in a conspiracy against America, and that, if elected president, he would take the oath of office using a Koran, rather than a Bible, as did Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), the only Muslim in Congress, when he was sworn in earlier this year.

This is about as low as I have seen an Establishment paper go. This is shameful stuff.

< ABA Journal Names Top 100 Law Blogs, Please Vote Soon | Koch: Rudy Covered Up Government Funded Trysts >
  • The Online Magazine with Liberal coverage of crime-related political and injustice news

  • Contribute To TalkLeft


  • Display: Sort:
    Twice shameful (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Lora on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 01:26:05 PM EST
    It's shameful to spread rumors that Obama has "Muslim connections;" it is at least as shameful that connection with one of the world's largest religions should be considered something that must be denied.

    "swift-boating" (1.00 / 0) (#43)
    by diogenes on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 06:51:47 PM EST
    Please drop the hypocrisy about doing this; this site details every allegation about Giuliani, and many 1990's examples of "swift-boating" Hillary proved to be true after the coverup ended ("missing" Rose law firm billing records miraculously appearing, truth about Monica, etc.)  

    We aren't (none / 0) (#44)
    by Jgarza on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 08:45:03 PM EST
    in the 90's this is 2007, this has nothing to do with Monica.  This is Barack Obama he is a Christian and if you say other wise you are a liar, and this article is trying to spread lies!

    Parent
    Actually the article (none / 0) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 08:44:37 AM EST
    is reporting on the spreading of lies and does a pretty good job of dispelling them.

    It left out his removal of the US flag collar pin, widely discussed on TL, and in this matter:

    Obama has denied a separate charge: that he does not hold his hand to his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance. This rumor stemmed from a photo that was taken while the national anthem was being played.

    failed to mention that whatever, everyone else was standing at attention with their hands over their hearts. He was not.  

    It also includes a favorable comment by the head of CAIR without mentioning that CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Fund affair. If what you claim was true that would have been an excellent "guilt by association" shot.
    Link

    In the final analysis Obama, like Hillary playing on the "woman" thing, is trying to use what some see as a negative. He can't claim that his background helps on foreign affairs without also calling into focus that very background.

    ....because I grew up for part of my formative years in Southeast Asia in the largest Muslim country on Earth."

    He also fails to say why having him as a President will actually do anything for relations with countries and groups that having been killing each other for hundreds of years.

    Parent

    They're not spreading lies - (none / 0) (#1)
    by scribe on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 11:04:03 AM EST
    they're spreading manure.

    And the WaPo no longer should be considered a reliable paper - it's long since passed into the realm of panegyrics to the Beltway elite.

    I meant to include this (none / 0) (#2)
    by scribe on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 11:05:48 AM EST
    the WaPo surely printed this as their big A01 today, to distract from the real story, which has changed to "Subject, Verb, 69/11".

    Parent
    Did they merge with the (none / 0) (#3)
    by Geekesque on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 11:35:55 AM EST
    Washington Times?

    My Fav part (none / 0) (#4)
    by Jgarza on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 11:38:04 AM EST
    Is the headline mentioning his "Muslim Connections."  his step father occasionally went to a masque and he lived in a Muslim country, if that counts as "Muslim connections,"  Then how it goes on with this "some say" crap like there is a question about his religion.

    How should Obama react? (none / 0) (#5)
    by magster on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 12:08:11 PM EST
    Can he reply forcefully without looking prejudiced at Muslims? If he replies forcefully, does it perpetuate the message of the article?

    I'd like to see a Joekleinesque netroot response to the Washington Post, with a boatload of letters to the editor.

    Another burning question is whether this article's "some say" people are GOPers or Clinton supporters.

    A good query (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 12:17:30 PM EST
    Personally, I would attack the rumor mongering without addressing the underlying charge.

    Parent
    Aren't you fomenting a rumor in (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 12:10:38 PM EST
    your final sentence?

    Parent
    Hmmm (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by magster on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 12:26:04 PM EST
    I think the last sentence is a legitimate question, but I could have asked it without naming "persons of interest". Sorry.

    Parent
    I do not see how this helps any Dem opponent (none / 0) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 12:53:28 PM EST
    This is pretty clearly GOP stuff.

    Parent
    Story on NPR the other day (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 12:09:26 PM EST
    about the rumor that the school Obama attended as a child was a training ground for future terrorists.  A reporter checked out the school and refuted the rumor, but the rumor is still frequently spread, oftern by e-mail.  

    I was a huge Kareem Abdul-Jabbar fan... (none / 0) (#9)
    by Dadler on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 12:21:39 PM EST
    ...so my muslim connections run pretty deep.  Better surveil me.

    Starting now! (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 12:24:37 PM EST
    For once I agree with BTD. (none / 0) (#12)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 12:30:11 PM EST
    From CNN
    But reporting by CNN in Jakarta, Indonesia and Washington, D.C., shows the allegations that Obama attended a madrassa to be false. CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate.

    He visited the Basuki school, which Obama attended from 1969 to 1971.

    "This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."
    [...]
    "I came here to Barack Obama's elementary school in Jakarta looking for what some are calling an Islamic madrassa ... like the ones that teach hate and violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan," Vause said on the "Situation Room" Monday. "I've been to those madrassas in Pakistan ... this school is nothing like that."
    [...]
    Obama has noted in his two books, "Dreams From My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope," that he spent two years in a Muslim school and another two years in a Catholic school while living in Indonesia from age 6 to 10.



    It Is My Distinction Impression (none / 0) (#13)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 12:31:51 PM EST
    That while these lies that are spread about Politicians are not the fault of the Politicians themselves, the mere fact that these lies exist will prohibit those Politicians from being effective leaders.

    This is something that I believe the Obama campaign has made clear in reference to Republican attacks and lies spread about his opponent, Sen. Clinton.

    If Obama would like to amend that statement (Paraphrased:  "It's not her fault, but that history is there."), then I think I'd feel 100% compelled to do a better job refuting these lies and refrain from pointing out that this history (the history of these attacks) now exists with Obama.

    It's not an easy point for everyone to get.  But boil it down.  Do two wrongs make a right?  Maybe not.  Do you reap what you sow?  Maybe so.  If this actually ends up hurting Obama, I'm not sure why a Clinton supporter should give a crap at this point?

    Maybe it's something I'll care about after the Primary is over.

    For now.  No.  This comment is no better than the Obama campaign itself on the larger issue.

    I fully admit that.

    I agree (none / 0) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 12:52:37 PM EST
    that this is a bit of a hoisted by his own petard issue but sorry, I will not go down that road myself.

    Parent
    If we are playing this game (none / 0) (#16)
    by Jgarza on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 12:59:35 PM EST
    I think the Question Hillary Clinton needs to answer is weather or not she or her "agents" was behind it.
    Ohh and the fact that i have to ask that is her fault.

    Parent
    Right (none / 0) (#17)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 01:07:53 PM EST
    The race to the bottom.

    If you can slow down a little, I think I can keep up.


    Parent

    Me slow down (none / 0) (#22)
    by Jgarza on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 01:52:58 PM EST
    I think you are in the lead, rejoicing at swift boating from republicans because one time Obama said something critical of Hillary.  If you truly want to make this about Hillary, lets do that, and my first question is what did she have to do with it?
    She ran Bill's war room, and did oppo. research. That is her "experience" being presidential.  SO if I'm following her experience it tells me there is a possibility she is involved with this.

    Parent
    I'm Not Rejoicing (none / 0) (#25)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 02:12:11 PM EST
    I'm quite sure of that.

    The whole thing has been very depressing.


    Parent

    not rejoicing? (none / 0) (#26)
    by Jgarza on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 02:20:01 PM EST
    only all to willing to turn it into an attack.
    this may even trump the shamefulness of the wapo article.

    When he says "history" I don't think he was referring to her having a history of being swift boated.  History meaning she has been around so long people have formed strong opinions about her either way.
    Only a cult of Clinton member would take that to mean, swiftboat attack.  Because after all, in the eyes of the Cult of Clinton, how could you not like her unless you have bought into republican lies.

    Parent

    Here's the quote (none / 0) (#30)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 03:48:46 PM EST
    "I think it is fair to say that I believe I can bring the country together more effectively than she can," Obama said. "I will add, by the way, that is not entirely a problem of her making. Some of those battles in the '90s that she went through were the result of some pretty unfair attacks on the Clintons. But that history exists, and so, yes, I believe I can bring the country together in a way she cannot do. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't be running."

    Now what you have to do here is explain to me why my response here to this attack on Obama should be any different than Obama's response there to those attacks on Clinton??

    ??

    Parent

    He said that (none / 0) (#31)
    by Jgarza on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 03:58:34 PM EST
    becasue she had been in battles with the right many people had made up their mind on her.  He nicely pointed out that some of those fights were from unfair attacks.
    For instance she had to fight with the right wing because they are obsessed with Bills sex life.  That is unfair, he rightly points it out.
    That has nothing to do with some crazy right wing jerk, or Clinton supporter, giving Obama a fake religion.
    No one ever said that because some crazed right wing jerk once said Hillary was a lesbian, that she was damaged and couldn't bring the country together.
    You on the other had said that because some crazed right wing jerk called Obama a Muslim, he is damaged.

    Parent
    That Really Didn't Give Me Any Reason (none / 0) (#37)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:16:35 PM EST
    To make my response here any different than Obama's response there.

    Just think how angry you'd be if I said this:

    "I think it is fair to say that I believe Clinton can bring the country together more effectively than Obama can.  I will add, by the way, that is not entirely a problem of his making. Some of these battles he's going through right now are the result of some pretty unfair attacks on Obama. But that history exists now, and so, yes, I believe Clinton can bring the country together in a way he cannot do."


    Parent
    how is this a Battle? (none / 0) (#39)
    by Jgarza on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:24:12 PM EST
    This isn't a political fight, to even call it that is to buy into the republican headline.  Obama fights to prove Christianity.
    John Kerry fights to prove his patriotism.
    Hillary fights to show she doesn't sleep with women.

    If you buy into this fight idea, your are feeding the republican headline.

    Just like when say that he is weaker because someone called him a Muslim, which is what you said, you are just as bad as the WaPo article.

    Parent

    This is just plain funny. (none / 0) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 07:41:15 AM EST
    For instance she had to fight with the right wing because they are obsessed with Bills sex life.

    Can you tell me why a wife has to fight with the other side about her husband's sex life??

    "Uh Mr. Repub, will you pleaseeeeeeee quit complaining about Bill's affair with Monica???"

    Parent

    haha (none / 0) (#32)
    by RalphB on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:02:07 PM EST
    Good qustion, to which there will be no good answer.

    Parent
    Another (none / 0) (#33)
    by Jgarza on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:03:52 PM EST
    Clinton supporter trying to get in on the swiftboating?

    Parent
    No (none / 0) (#35)
    by RalphB on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:05:30 PM EST
    Just trying to keep you honest, for a change.

    Parent
    WaPo is whose friend? (none / 0) (#27)
    by diogenes on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 03:03:55 PM EST
    WaPo is no friend of Republicans.  It is only a friend of the Clinton machine.  


    May I introduce you to Fred Hiatt? (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 03:10:16 PM EST
    Looking at (none / 0) (#29)
    by Jgarza on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 03:30:43 PM EST
    this guys history of articles i would tend to say he has Clinton sympathies.

    Parent
    haha (none / 0) (#34)
    by RalphB on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:04:14 PM EST
    Do we have to care what you have to say at this point?  I think not.

    The attack on Obama was shameful but no less than the attacks on Hillary from the 90s.


    Parent

    last time i checked (none / 0) (#36)
    by Jgarza on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:16:31 PM EST
    this was a post on the attacks on Obama in 2007.  So I don't see what the Clintons or the 90's have to do with it. Some cult of Clinton can't stand the fact their martyr, was at some point criticized by Obama, and can't help jumping in on the swiftboat. I personally would be happy seeing every post that mentions Hill being deleted, unless you guys think she had something to do with this?

    Parent
    Just FYI (none / 0) (#38)
    by LarryE on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:19:26 PM EST
    For anyone who might care, this is the email I sent to article author Perry Bacon:
    I expect you have gotten flak about your article on Barack Obama and the "rumors" that he is actually a Muslim.

    I also expect that a fair amount of that flak revolves around the undeniable fact that the story consisted of little more than repeating said "rumors" along with Obama's denials, thus serving only to give the stories a wider circulation in what amounted to an "A said B said, who knows if it's true?" format.

    Those criticisms are entirely valid, which brings me to the actual point of adding my voice: The part that struck me most strongly was your saying that Snopes.com had up a letter referring to the "rumors" - without noting that the site labeled the story flatly false.

    I can think of no reason for that omission except that a deliberate decision was made - by you, by your editor, by someone - to actively avoid labeling these "rumors" (and this is why I put the word in quotes) as what they are: demonstrably untrue. And that is unforgivable.

    Now, since it would be too easy to dismiss me as just an aggrieved Obama supporter, let me make clear that I am not. I'm not even a Democrat. But precisely because I do hold my own convictions and I do believe that in a true open "marketplace of ideas" they would succeed, I am a very strong believer in honest journalism - which the article in question was not.

    PS: The letter at Snopes.com neither begins with nor contains the phrase "Be careful, be very careful." In fact, that precise phrase appears nowhere on Snopes.com, with or without capitalization or punctuation. Just what was the source of the letter you quoted?

    Yet another march the right stole on the left was its willingness to make a damn big stink when media stories were offensive. We really need to do the same and not just to among each other but directly to the sources. Be nuisances!


    I wrote one to him (none / 0) (#40)
    by Jgarza on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:28:14 PM EST
    Though yours is better.  I also wrote one to Debbie H. couldn't find an editor or I would have written one to him too.

    Parent
    Shameful Is Right (none / 0) (#41)
    by BDB on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 05:43:32 PM EST
    This is the paper of Watergate and the Pentagon Papers?  Katherine Graham must be spinning in her grave.

    But, hey, at least they're honest about what Democrats can expect. The media has shown since at least the 1990s that no Democrat will get a fair shake.  Folks like to dream that only applies to the Clintons, but all you have to do is look at 2000 and 2004 to see the media operates more under a Democrats Rule than it does a Clintons Rule.  Until now, Obama had avoided most - but certainly not all - of this crap, but that couldn't last.  It wouldn't be the media if it weren't picking up and amplifying rightwing smears.

    But, of course, the media will want to be fair, so I predict a Post article about the smears out there regarding Hillary (lesbian Muslim lover) any day.  Because fairness requires they smear all Democrats equally.  If John Edwards wins Iowa, then they'll have to resume their interest in him.

    Meanwhile, Rudy gets caught having done something unethical, slimy and probably illegal - and it even involves sex! - and the entire story will probably be over in a day.  Hey, it's not like there are rumors Rudy has done anything wrong. Evidence and witnesses and facts are involved.  You can't expect the Post or Times to care about that.

    IOKIYAR (none / 0) (#42)
    by squeaky on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 06:12:55 PM EST
    The Clinton Campaign Is Not behind This (none / 0) (#45)
    by Aaron on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 11:45:34 PM EST
    Let's just be clear about this because I've heard some speculation in that regard, and as you all know I'm no Clinton supporter, at least not yet.

    Just so y'all know, it wasn't an easy decision throwing the full weight and power of my support, which is considerable, :-) behind Barack Obama.  I did so after carefully considering the positions I took in the last two presidential elections, in which I initially supported Bradley over Gore, and at least for time Edwards over Kerry.  But in both instances my support was rather soft and flexible, and I eventually came on board with the front runners, though I never joined either campaign or took a particularly firm stand.  Much the way Clinton is viewed today, both Gore and Kerry were the safe choices, that looked like they would win handily, at least in a country where reason and logic would prevail in the end.  And of course we all know what happened.

    So this time I'm not playing it safe, nor will I be willing to seriously entertain a second choice until the race for the Democratic nomination is decided.  No longer will I compromise my principles, for the sake of the Democratic Party who has consistently shown in recent years that they don't have the guts or the balls to take the presidency, even when it's all but handed to them.  Simply put I don't put much faith in the Democratic Party any longer, and apparently many Americans feel the same way, so I will no longer go quietly into that good night which they would decide for me and the rest of the American people.

    As to these attacks on Obama, this is nothing, it's only going to get worse.  And should he somehow win the nomination, I have no doubt in my mind that the Republican Party will do everything, and I do mean everything in their power, every dirty underhanded bigoted racist anti-Muslim trick that they can think of to try and undercut Obama's support in the hopes of putting another one of their corporate lackeys in the White House.  And I firmly believe that this is what America needs see, and it's what America deserves as well, an opportunity to see what the Republican Party has really become, and what they actually represent in this country today, the face of dictatorial monarchy and a future that will surely lead to the fall of the Republic and the rise of an American empire.  An eventuality that I think we still have time to prevent.

    Does anyone here believe that the Republicans won't play the race card and the religion card in a general election, of course they will, and they will play them to the nines.  They'll be portraying Obama as Rufus Rustus Johnson Brown in black face, they'll have posters of him alongside Osama bin Laden, with phrases like "Obama, Osama, What's the Difference".  

    Well the corporate controlled pseudo conservative's know that one more Republican president will lock down this country for the their interests permanently, through the Supreme Court which, who I have little doubt will begin deciding every US election, as the gap between the popular vote and the electoral vote continues to widen.

    (I hope everyone is paying attention to what they're trying to do in California).

    Bid to Change Electoral Vote May Decide '08 Race

    Backers Of California Electoral Vote Initiative Raise Half-Million Dollars In Two Weeks

    Obviously the Republicans are pulling out all the ethical stops in this election, and it won't really matter who the Democratic nominee is.  If it's Hillary, she'll be portrayed as the murdering lesbian devils concubine, out to destroy marriage and bring back the evils of free love, free speech and an uncorrupted media.

    But if it's Obama, then I believe we'll really get to see who these people are, and perhaps those who are still blind will begin to comprehend the depths of depravity and corruption to which the Republican Party has sunk.  The national election will be a great purging of the disease and putrifaction that resides in the bowels of this country .  We will once and for all finally know, assuming that the elections are legitimate, who will be the victors in this country, the human beings, or the ignorant apes who reject evolutionary theory, because they could never face who and what they really are, primitive primates who have gotten ideas above their station, and whose pretensions at civilization and reason are nothing more than a thinly constructed façade.

    I see the Barack Obama campaign and his candidacy as a crucible that has the potential to either burn away everything that is holding this country back, or it will confirm all of our worst suspicions about ourselves and what this country has become.

    Either way, it's time for showdown between the people and those who are bent on banishing our sovereignty to the pages of history.  And I for one I'm not going to go down without a fight.


    Obama Can Win Nomination + General Election (none / 0) (#46)
    by Aaron on Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 06:39:28 AM EST
    Obama's moment --Economist

    [Can Mr Obama recapture his early promise? And can he translate it into a victory in the primaries? Two months ago it looked impossible. Today, with just a month to go until the Iowa caucuses, he is on a roll. He delivered one of the best speeches of his career at the annual Jefferson Jackson dinner there. And his campaign has been reinvigorated by a recent poll that put him four points ahead of Hillary Clinton. ]

    [A few recent polls have shown him doing better than Mrs Clinton in head-to-head races against the main Republican candidates, and a Zogby poll this week showed her losing to all leading Republicans, but him winning.]

    [The case for Mrs Clinton has always rested heavily on a combination of inevitability and electability. People will vote for her not because they love her--her crowds are notably less enthusiastic than Mr Obama's--but because they calculate that other people will vote for her. An Obama victory in Iowa might just persuade Democrats to take another look. Mr Obama, who is by far the most popular Democrat among Republicans, is probably the best placed candidate to turn a good Democratic year into a landslide...]

    New poll shows Clinton trails top 2008 Republicans

    Obama Finds His Moment -- Time