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On Iraq: Is Steny Hoyer The Problem?

Via mcjoan.

In a recent post, I excoriated Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi for her statement on not funding the Iraq Debacle. But as mcjoan notes, one has to wonder who is calling the shots in the House. After all, Pelosi voted against the war and championed John Murtha for the #2 slot in the House leadership. The question to ask - is Steny Hoyer the actual Dem leader in the House?

Internal tensions erupted yesterday among House Dem leaders over Rep. David Obey's threat to block war funding without withdrawal timetables and his suggestion of a war tax, The Hill reports. . . . “It’s hard to believe you could pick a worse time to do something to divide the caucus than the day Democrats and Republicans come together on both an Iraq bill and in sending the children’s health bill to the president,” a Democratic leadership aide told the paper. “The timing of this announcement made no sense.”

I'm told, however, that there's a bit more to these tensions than meet the eye. House insiders say they think that this anonymous dumping on Obey came from the office of House Dem leader Steny Hoyer. Hoyer is a big proponent of the new House Iraq bill being sponsored by Dem Rep. Neil Abercrombie that was voted on yesterday and passed overwhelmingly. Because this measure lacks a binding withdrawal timetable, others in leadership -- like Pelosi -- are cool to the idea, insiders point out.

. . . "The dumping on Obey likely came from Hoyer, who was much more enthusiastic about the moderate -- read: toothless -- Ambercrombie legislation than the rest of leadership is," a House insider tells me.

Steny Hoyer, like Rahm Emanuel, has been awful on Iraq and obviously he seeks to torpedo the not funding without a timeline idea. It looks like he and Rahm Emanuel are the problem.

Greg Sargent updates:

Late Update: Hoyer's office adamantly denies that it was the source of the criticism of Obey. "This is categorically false and the person making this statement has no idea what he or she is talking about," Hoyer spokesperson Stacey Bernards told me. Just to clarify, the House insider quoted above was speculating that he/she thought that Hoyer's office was the logical source of the criticism based on his/her reading of the internal dynamics at play in the House. The insider conceded that he/she had no direct knowledge that this had happened, nor did he/she say she did.

What is interesting to me is what Hoyer does NOT deny, that he is not in favor of Obey's initiative and that he is still championing Abercrombie's ridiculous proposal.

In other words, Hoyer is STILL the problem.

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    That Steny Hoyer must go (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by scribe on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 01:59:03 PM EST
    was obvious from minute one, when he started "reaching out" to the WH immediately post-election.  I'm convinced he made a back-door deal with Rove and Bushie to undermine Pelosi.

    I wish those folks in Maryland who just won the Mega Lotto would take some of their winnings and run a primary campaign against Hoyer.  If only to smoke out his corporate-wh*redom and closet-Rethugicanism into the open by forcing him to raise money to compete.  If I was in that guy's shoes (just having won 48 mil or so), I'd spend a mil or two on ads against Steny, just for the hell of it.  I'd even move to that district....

    I mean, the guy's an accountant, and the Wicca gods liked him enough to give him the winning ticket...  the least they could do is give Steny a new job.

    Hoyer is one of many problems. eom (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Geekesque on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 03:42:40 PM EST


    At a more meta level (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Ben Masel on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 03:56:58 PM EST
    the funding battle has the potentilial to redefine the relative powers of Committee Chairs vs the Caucus operation, so other Chairs have n incentive to back Obey.

    Caucus (none / 0) (#3)
    by chemoelectric on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 03:46:04 PM EST
    Steny Hoyer as direct problem implicates the caucus as a whole indirectly, especially given that the Speaker was, and probably still is, in favor of someone else. I guess an inference to draw is that Pelosi is scared of Hoyer, but why? Who has the numbers, she or Hoyer, and if Hoyer than why?

    Taxes are not in Appropriations's turf (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ben Masel on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 03:54:08 PM EST
    But appropriations are.

    scared of Hoyer (none / 0) (#6)
    by diogenes on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 07:16:05 PM EST
    Given the quality of Pelosi's leadership to date, would she or Hoyer win a secret ballot for the speakership if it came to it?  
    Especially if enough blue dogs went with the GOP to outvote her?  The dems will hardly eject fifty blue dogs, and many of them come from such conservative districts that a primary challenge will be impossible and a liberal will lose to a republican.
    I think that Pelosi doesn't want to provoke a him-or-me vote that she might not win.

    I knew that this would happen (none / 0) (#7)
    by kovie on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 07:45:50 PM EST
    when all those Dem fools who thought that retaking the majority meant rolling the calendar back to 1994, as if nothing's happened since, voted for Hoyer for Leader, instead of Murtha. Idiots. And that's being kind.

    I doubt it would happen, but given that Pelosi is clearly not cut out to be Speaker in such a pressured time, I wonder if it would make sense for the progressives to try to force Hoyer out of the leadership position. I doubt it would succeed, but perhaps a deal could be cut in which the challenge would be called off if Murtha replaced Pelosi as Speaker. Or better yet, play off Emanuel against Hoyer and have them destroy each other. Just a thought...

    to elect a speaker (none / 0) (#8)
    by diogenes on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 07:55:27 PM EST
    You need 218 votes.  When things looked good in January Pelosi could be sold, especially since she had been minority leader and in line for the post.  Don't be too sure that Murtha would be the speaker in a battle against Hoyer.  Given his past, though, it would sure help Republicans running for the house to run against him as opposed to running against Hoyer.  
    Why are the Democrats so scared of waiting 15 months to take the presidency and withdraw from Iraq then if withdrawal is such a good idea and a large majority of Americans really favors it?  Since the war won't be ended through veto wars why not let Bush and the Republicans own it and take the blame?

    Answer: death and injury in the interim. (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 08:20:13 PM EST