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Why the World "Flinches" at the Prospect of Giuliani

James Carroll in the Boston Globe provides a decimating assessment of Rudy Giuliani. The theme:

Where the world once looked toward all that Giuliani embodied with admiring compassion, today it flinches.

Why? Here are some choice quotes:

COULD THE United States actually elect as president a Yankee fan who has been rooting for the Red Sox? A father whose own children would boycott his inauguration? A husband whose first wife was his cousin and whose current wife can't remember how many times she married? Could the United States, for that matter, elect a cross-dresser? The Rudy Giuliani surge would be comic if its broader implications were not so grave.

More...

A run-of-the-mill political hack was transformed into the nation's only hero on Sept. 11, 2001. While President Bush cowered in Curtis LeMay's SAC bunker in Omaha, Giuliani was striding toward Armageddon.

And

He's like a gang leader now, roving the streets, looking for some punk to bash. Iran will do.

And

There are no dangers that justify the massive insecurity that marks current US foreign policy, even if - punklike - that insecurity manifests itself as bullying. The biggest bully on the block turns out to be Giuliani. That would be a sad reason to make him president.

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    he's a joke. (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by cpinva on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 02:02:49 AM EST
    how's that for succinctness gabe? however, in fairness, he's certainly representative of the republican party as a whole.

    a dangerous, crackpot, "the "odd" nephew in the attic, that noone talks about" kind of joke.

    Why the World "Flinches"? (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Edger on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 05:36:42 AM EST
    Easy one.

    It would be like having Gabe or ppj for president. And you think America's moral standing in the world is bad now?

    Edger (1.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Wile ECoyote on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 06:25:46 AM EST
    the determiner of morals.  Say hey to the pope for me.  

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    I'd rather have the ghoul than the pope (1.00 / 0) (#6)
    by Edger on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 06:44:01 AM EST
    for president. Thanks anyway wile.

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    Or Peaches. ;-P (1.00 / 0) (#9)
    by Edger on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 09:42:43 AM EST
    Wouldn't you rather have the ghoul Peaches? ;-) (1.00 / 0) (#13)
    by Edger on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 11:18:02 AM EST
    I hear that (1.00 / 0) (#15)
    by Edger on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 11:23:40 AM EST
    he can "charm" the "folks". At least, he can "charm" 26 percent of "folks" anyway.

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    If elected I will serve (1.00 / 1) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 11:56:34 AM EST
    Tell me again why I should care what the world thinks??

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    Not careing enough (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 02:32:55 PM EST
    is known in psychiatric circles as psychosis, or worse, sociopathic.

    But, why should you care what doctors think?

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    The multi-colored (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 02:34:49 PM EST
    top hat wearing eagle flys alone.

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    It's difficult to imagine (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Dulcinea on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 07:18:17 AM EST
    anyone worse than Rudy to succeed the current idiot.

    Moshe Katsav (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 11:13:25 AM EST
    now, there's a guy with folksy charm.

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    World better flinch.... (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 08:10:18 AM EST
    when you govern with a billy-club like Rudy, you tend to treat all problems like a skull that needs cracking.

    Go Rudy! (1.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Gabriel Malor on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 12:53:14 AM EST
    COULD THE United States actually elect as president a Yankee fan who has been rooting for the Red Sox? A father whose own children would boycott his inauguration? A husband whose first wife was his cousin and whose current wife can't remember how many times she married? Could the United States, for that matter, elect a cross-dresser? The Rudy Giuliani surge would be comic if its broader implications were not so grave.

    The best part is that it will be the Republicans who elect all that, and not the Democrats with their much-vaunted and much-flaunted "tolerance."

    While Obama frets about "values voters" and Clinton worries over whether women will warm up to her, Giuliani is out there living a real life. His humanity is attractive in the same way that President Bush's folksy charm was attractive in the 2000 and 2004 campaigns in contrast to Gore's woodenness and Kerry's Lurch impression.

    Does James Carroll really think that the "broader implications" of a man who has cross-dressed for  a joke are "grave"? What is Carroll really saying about divorcees in this country?

    Tell your evangelical base (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 09:56:54 AM EST
    how "attractive" his humanity is, Gabe.

    Something tells me they may need some convincing; afterall, "humanity" may smack a little too much of (yankee, catholic, eye-talian) secular-humanism in alot of quarters.

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    Folksy charm? (1.00 / 0) (#4)
    by Edger on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 05:59:56 AM EST
    Folksy charm?

    Heh. Heh heh. Heh heh heh heh! Hahahahahahahahahaha!

    Folksy charm? Bush president?

    You don't get out much, I guess.

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    Folksy charm is a long (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 10:02:54 AM EST
    standing Repub euphemism for dumb and controllable; in lieu of "smaller govt", pinhead govt.

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    Please come (1.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Slado on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 11:21:32 AM EST
    up with something better then this.

    If we can't ignore this minor PR glitch does that mean TL will focus on Hillary's campaign finance questions, her loveless marriage for political gain, her sudeen residency in NY state so she could get elected etc...

    No we won't because this is simple partisan bickering where we hold the other side to a much higher standard.

    Can't wait for '08.

    Partisan bickering? (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Edger on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 11:24:53 AM EST
    This your first time here?

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    Loveless marrige for political gain.. (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 11:41:24 AM EST
    lol! What is that, Rush meets Inside Edition?

    Someone lowered the bar so you decided to crawl under it, eh Slado?

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    you're right slado, (none / 0) (#21)
    by cpinva on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 04:10:55 PM EST
    No we won't because this is simple partisan bickering where we hold the other side to a much higher standard.

    the republicans do have standards. really, really low standards, but standards nonetheless. they seem but a mere blip on the screen. what's worse is that they aren't even very entertaining. by god, if i'm to go, i must be fed!

    the only repubican candidate with only one marriage is mitt romney. probably something about those magic undies, and the fact that he's just as big a crackpot as the rest of them.

    i find it amusing that the clintons, having gone through some very public difficult times in their marriage, still managed to keep it together, and get pilloried for it by the social "conservatives". of course, this goes with those "red state" stats, showing they have the highest divorce rate in the country. so much for "family values".

    while i shan't be able to attend the republican's funeral, i most certainly will send a nice letter, saying i heartily approve.


    I Love It (none / 0) (#22)
    by john horse on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 05:05:27 PM EST
    Personally, I couldn't care less about Guiliani's personal life.  I oppose Guiliani for his policies.  

    Still I can't help but get a chuckle that Guiliani is the GOP frontrunner.  I love it!  The nominee of the party of people who were complaining about books like Heather Has Two Mommies will be pro-abortion and pro-gay.  Its a win-win situation for Democrats.    

    Reminds me of the Florida GOP primary. The fundamentalist supported candidate Tom Gallagher ran a whisper campaign against Charlie Crist alleging that Crist was gay.  And then Crist became the GOP nominee and these fundamentalist GOP activists were in the awkward position of having to support someone they were accusing of being gay.  For a Democrat, it doesn't get any better than that.

    Doesn't anyone remember this? (none / 0) (#23)
    by Comrade Rutherford on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 05:45:25 PM EST
    The article says: "While President Bush cowered in Curtis LeMay's SAC bunker in Omaha, Giuliani was striding toward Armageddon."

    Doesn't anyone remember the video footage of him running like a scared little girl up Church Street with a dust mask clamped to his face?

    Giuliani's tenure in NYC was to make the most liberal city in America into a fascist police state.  And he succeeded.  Bloomberg has continued Giuliani's inhumane policies, but not to such an extreme degree.

    Giuliani is the closest to Bush as the GOP has.  Giuliani has a proven track record of ignoring the Rule of Law, just like Bush, and denigrating everyone that points out that he's not above the law, also just Bush does.

    Giuliani's (none / 0) (#24)
    by tnthorpe on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 06:11:20 PM EST
    policies seem to follow perfectly in Cheney's backward footsteps.  What can you say about a "socially liberal" (reminds me of someone, but who...?) pro-torture, pro-war, pro-imperial presidency guy except that with any luck his nomination will crack the Republican party apart?