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Al Gore Wins Nobel Peace Prize

Congratulations to Al Gore and the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change who were jointly awarded the Nobel Peace Prize today.

He said he would donate his half of the $1.5m prize money to the Alliance for Climate Protection, reported the news agency Reuters.

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    Kudos! (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by scribe on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 10:51:38 AM EST
    I wish he'd run - but he won't.  Our loss.

    Would love to see (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by tnthorpe on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 06:04:56 PM EST
    Gore run again. If just winning the Nobel prize brings the wingnuts to this level of hysteria, and they are hysterical, what might a campaign do?
    All that science and reason after so much "gut feeling" and faith-based denial, could the wingnuts stand it?

    Which planet do you live on? (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Aaron on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 07:34:11 PM EST
    I don't know how Al got the Nobel Prize, according to the folks over at Fox news, and a truck driver in Great Britain, Gore just made all this stuff up about global warming, and doesn't have any conclusive concrete evidence to back him up.

    Al Gore's Convenient Untruths

    It's like these people live on another planet.

    The heat and light in global warming

    Apparently the global warming deniers have just been playing it cagey all along, a group of them recently purchasing the rights to build a floating summer resort at the North Pole, which will very shortly be completely clear of ice and those pesky polar bears.  Soon the latest rage for hip conservative vacationers will be waterskiing under the aurora borealis, and drinking all night in the new Arctic Sea where the nights go on for six months.

    Global Warming: Scientific Consensus Proved Wrong

    Check the Retreating Ice Graph to see the planned site of the new summer resort.


    Close. (1.00 / 1) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 09:31:58 AM EST
     
    Gore just made all this stuff up about global warming


    [ Parent ]
    Slado (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Oct 13, 2007 at 10:24:07 AM EST
    Arafat shared the prize with Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres. Do you hate the jews too?

    And Gore should honor your question and NEVER fly again. That should fulfill your wish and keep him in his home where he can't threaten the infantile sensibilities of morons like yourself and your play pal Jim.

    You call us morons?? (1.00 / 1) (#41)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 09:58:55 AM EST
    Whatever Slado and yours truly are, we have more taste than to have a moniker with the name of a stone cold child killer in it.


    [ Parent ]
    Yes Jim (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by squeaky on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 11:06:57 AM EST
    And your moniker has the name of the man who invented the phrase "drink the kool aid".

    [ Parent ]
    Che Guevera killed more people than Bush (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Edger on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 11:41:48 AM EST
    and his moronic supporters?

    Wow. Who knew?

    [ Parent ]

    Who knew? (1.00 / 1) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 02:14:14 PM EST
    Everyone but you.

    [ Parent ]
    I don't know who killed more people.... (none / 0) (#67)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 12:57:53 PM EST
    I do know that Che helped more sick kids:)

    [ Parent ]
    Did he fly on his (1.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Pancho on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 11:11:09 AM EST
    private plane to Oslo?

    A carbon credit idea (none / 0) (#5)
    by roy on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 11:31:44 AM EST
    Every time a university doesn't invite Al Gore to speak, they get a credit for the amount of fuel he would have used to travel there.

    [ Parent ]
    The Nobel Peace prize has (1.00 / 0) (#8)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 12:12:24 PM EST
    been declining in stature for years.

    Giving it to Gore takes it lower.

    BTW - roy, love your idea.

    Pancho - Most excellent question. Anyone??

    SUO - Isn't there supposed to be an election? ;-)

    Declining is stature for years... (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Dadler on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 01:28:21 PM EST
    Go through the list, Jim, besides Arafat, who is OBVIOUSLY the most difficult person on that list, and explain how these folks represent a decline.  I bet you don't even know who won last year or what they won it for.  Here's a clue: micro-credit to help the poor start their own businesses.  His name is Muhammed Yunus, and he started a little miracle called the Grameen Bank.

    Or what about Shirin Ebadi, the year before that, a courageous Iranian lawyer fighting the power there.

    Doctors without Borders?  

    A few people you don't agree with does not a Peace Prize in decline make.  Hell, Kissinger got it while secretly bombin Cambodia.  That decline in stature happened almost forty years ago.

    [ Parent ]

    Dadler (1.00 / 1) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 05:49:03 PM EST
    Then there's Carter.....who did more (by doing less) to jump start the terrorist in the middle east....

    Gore is worse because he politicalized science with his propaganda.

    Link

    [ Parent ]

    The Heartland Institute (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 05:57:55 PM EST
    personally: I prefer those Bible-based-mineral-exploration folks you linked to a few weeks back at Whirled Nut Daily.

    But you're right Jim: it's all an enviro/pinko conspiracy to make folks like you look dumber and more selfish than you really are.

    [ Parent ]

    Nobel (none / 0) (#9)
    by Slado on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 01:00:52 PM EST
    The real question is if today's elitists could even award the honor to the man it's named for since he is most known for inventing dynamite.

    Arafat, Carter and now Gore.

    Even if you accept his philosophy (which obviously to me is horse poop) how is this helpful in relation to peace?

    What has he done to bring peace?  Even though Carter and Arafat where terrible winners at least they did thier work in the feild the prize is supposed to be for.   Gore is a public speaker who's goal is to raise awarness of climate change.  What does that have to do with world peace?

    Shouldn't the monks in Asia or women fighting for rights in the Muslim world get far more consideration then a man who charges thousands of dollars for speaking arrangements, makes a propogandist film with multiple errors and doesn't live the gospel he has no problem preaching?

    Nobel is turning over in his grave.

    [ Parent ]

    Maybe you should read (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 06:33:23 PM EST
    what Nobel thought of working for peace before you pronounce judgement on todays "elitists" (whatever the hell that means).

    Possibly Gore's contribution consists in poking more holes in your antiquated, tribalistic model of reality and the world that is based more on a childish wish to continue to be entitled than on an understanding of cause and effect.

    [ Parent ]

    I'd give it to the monks.... (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 01:20:06 PM EST
    but the world can't afford to piss off the Chinese.  Christmas is coming.

    [ Parent ]
    Me too (none / 0) (#15)
    by Slado on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 01:37:39 PM EST
    and don't forget about the olympics.  We'd hate to let geopolitics get in the way of a international money making enterprise.

    [ Parent ]
    Yes, (none / 0) (#18)
    by Pancho on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 02:29:56 PM EST
    good call.

    [ Parent ]
    Philosophy? (none / 0) (#17)
    by Al on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 02:10:27 PM EST
    What do you mean?

    [ Parent ]
    lower than (none / 0) (#10)
    by Deconstructionist on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 01:05:14 PM EST
    Arafat???????????????????????

    [ Parent ]
    Scrapple Face has a great tidbit on this... (none / 0) (#12)
    by Slado on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 01:18:22 PM EST
    2007-10-12) -- Although former Vice President Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize this week for his work as a global-warming performance artist, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled early today that President George Bush would receive the gold medal, the diploma and the $750,000.

    Mr. Bush, who was narrowly defeated by Mr. Gore in the 2000 presidential election, thanked Justices John Roberts and Samuel Alito "for swinging the vote my way, and helping me to join the pantheon of great Nobel laureates like Jimmy Carter and the late Yassir Arafat who together brought peace to the middle east."

    Mr. Gore could not be reached for comment as he was returning from Oslo, Norway, in a private jet. However, his spokesman said that his efforts to bring peace on earth speak for themselves.

    "Thanks to Al Gore's movies, speeches and books," said the unnamed spokesman, "Terrorists and tyrants around the world will soon lay aside the weapons of war and give peace a chance by working together to develop a hybrid car that runs on cheap, clean-burning gunpowder."


    [ Parent ]

    Scrapple face (none / 0) (#26)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 07:16:49 PM EST
    Now, why wasnt he nominated?

    Thats SIR Scrapple Face to you..

    [ Parent ]

    Whatever you think about man-made global warming, (1.00 / 0) (#65)
    by Pancho on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 12:29:52 PM EST
    there is NO question that Al Gore is a hypocrite with regards to his own carbon emmissions.

    Interesting (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by glanton on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 12:41:59 PM EST
    That the only people saying this are people who never listened to Gore on anything anyway, and who express regular contempt for environmental causes.

    I guess it's all coincidence.


    [ Parent ]

    Why can't (1.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Pancho on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 01:28:29 PM EST
    anyone actually address the issue of Al Gore and Barbara Streisand et al, wasting vast amounts of energy on enormous homes and private jets?

    These people preaching conservation is the height of hypocrisy.

    I do nearly everything I can to conserve energy, including bicycling to work, and Al Gore merely tells others to conserve. Isn't that exactly the sort of elitism that the left purports to loathe?

    Conservation is a good idea for many reasons, but this guy does not deserve a Nobel for his elitism.

    [ Parent ]

    There are obviously (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 02:04:59 PM EST
    people more deserving than Gore.

    No doubt the committee felt the issue was so important that they decided to give it to it's most high profile spokesperson.

    Why do you guys keep bringing up the life style  of "liberal" celebrities; if Barbara Streisand tells a lie does that make honesty a bad policy?
    This whole Gore/Streisand/Moore/Tommy Lee should'nt fly crapola is just another Rush/Fox engendered avoid-the-REAL-issue crock of sh*t.
    But you guys just cant help parroting it.

    [ Parent ]

    I am not parroting anything, (1.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Pancho on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 02:34:06 PM EST
    although I am certain that this idea has been discussed by conservative pundits, I have never heard it and developed my feelings all by myself. The idea that any idea that is shared by a conservative pundit becomes a "wingnut talking point", with no validity, is absurd.

    Does the hypocrisy of Al Gore make conservation a bad idea? No, of course not, but hypocrites are generally not good messengers.

    [ Parent ]

    Name someone who (none / 0) (#72)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 02:46:36 PM EST
    isnt forced, one way or the other, to be a hypocrite
    vis a vis the environment.

    The problem is systemic. That dosnt mean we dont talk about it.

    [ Parent ]

    Pancho (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by squeaky on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 02:55:09 PM EST
    Would rather that Gore walked to all his meetings..... That way he would fade away into oblivion.

    The wacko's greatest wish would be for gore to walk to the South Pole and get back to us in 30 years. I am starting to believe that it is not just politics that make these guys sound so stupid but a shortage of grey matter.

    [ Parent ]

    How typical of you (1.00 / 1) (#75)
    by Pancho on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 03:47:50 PM EST
    to make something up and then state how crazy it is. You have agin resorted to claiming that I am stupid. Please tell me EXACTLY what I said that wyou consider to be stupid, so that I can defend my statement. You can't can you?

    I already know what you will say: "figure it out yourself, why do I have to do all the work for you?"

    Your continued failure to EVER directly debate an issue is amazing.

    [ Parent ]

    OK (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by squeaky on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 04:32:47 PM EST
    It seems that you would rather regurgitate Faux talking point than do some research on the subject. Google can be your friend. Taking a leadership role, a big enough one to gain international recognition, demands that you travel extensively. That means air travel.

    Evidentially he does fly commercial most of the time.

    Here are some facts, rather than spin, about Gores lifestyle.

    How would you have him live his life? I am sure that he would be open to informed suggestions from someone like you who claims to be concerned about global warming.

    [ Parent ]

    There are many people that live (none / 0) (#74)
    by Pancho on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 03:42:30 PM EST
    a very low impact life that are not at all hypocrites. They may cheat a little or violate their own principles on occasion, but living in a 20,000 plus sq.ft. house and traveling on private planes and then receiving the Nobel prize for his work on global warming is just plain nuts.

    Do I want Al Gore to walk or row to Oslo? No, but why can't he fly commercial? A first class seat on British Airways has got to be a very comfortable way to travel.

    [ Parent ]

    Interesting (none / 0) (#79)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 05:18:05 PM EST
    That the only people who aren't saying this are people who always listened to Gore on everything anyway, and who express regular concern for environmental causes.

    I guess it's all coincidence.

    [ Parent ]

    For what it's worth (none / 0) (#80)
    by glanton on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 06:40:19 PM EST
    That's a funny retort.

    But what's notable to me is how many longstanding institutions have been "revealed" to be losing stature, or relevance, by the Bush Administration and its supporters.

    The UN, of course.  But then Amnesty International, the Red Cross, and the Nobel Peace Prize.  Thank goodness these Repbulicans came around when they did, to pierce the reputability of such entites.  

    [ Parent ]

    All good g-man. (none / 0) (#82)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 06:55:15 PM EST
    I have no dog in this particular fight...

    [ Parent ]
    Also (none / 0) (#81)
    by glanton on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 06:53:54 PM EST
    Not a true retort.  Startling though it may be to some, there are Republicans who aren't busying themselves parroting the talking points about Gore's house and about his travel arrangements.  

    It's actually a pretty fringe element filtering the prize in this way, global warming deniers, very anti regulation of any kind.  Think Sean Hannity.

    Most people know that global warming and the environment are a huge issue, and most people know that the Nobel Peace Prize is a high honor in no danger whatever of losing stature.


    [ Parent ]

    Fair enough (none / 0) (#83)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 07:04:10 PM EST
    I suppose you could count me as one of those Republicans.

    For me, whether or not GW is real or not, and if it is, is substantively caused by us or not, is immaterial.

    We (the world) will not make the sacrifices necessary to significantly reduce our greenhouse gas emissions.

    So, in the end, it's all just political gamesmanship.

    I prefer not to waste my time on it...

    [ Parent ]

    Bravo, Al. (none / 0) (#1)
    by desertswine on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 10:18:10 AM EST


    Nice boosting (none / 0) (#3)
    by Edger on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 10:55:37 AM EST
    for the Alliance for Climate Protection.

    Way to go, Al!

    Hillary's VP? (none / 0) (#6)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 11:31:44 AM EST


    I am quite (none / 0) (#19)
    by Wile ECoyote on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 03:12:35 PM EST
    sure the Gores and Clintons do not fit in the same room any more.

    [ Parent ]
    The Ig Nobel Peace Prize... (none / 0) (#7)
    by desertswine on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 11:33:55 AM EST
    was awarded to -

    PEACE: The Air Force Wright Laboratory, Dayton, Ohio, USA, for instigating research & development on a chemical weapon -- the so-called "gay bomb" -- that will make enemy soldiers become sexually irresistible to each other.


    Gore's bid for The Prize (none / 0) (#11)
    by Sumner on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 01:18:06 PM EST
    was a well oiled campaign.

    I am still outraged that this is the man that tried to foist Joe Lieberman upon us as a vice president. How's that for judgment?

    (The Vice Presidency has long been said to secretly run the Intelligence Community.)

    Really?? (1.00 / 3) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 05:50:31 PM EST
    Gore was running our intelligence agencies??

    No wonder that they didn't have a clue about 9/11, etc.

    [ Parent ]

    How about skipping the middle (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 06:08:45 PM EST
    man and linking dirctly to Exxon's site next time?

    [ Parent ]
    Yes the Chicago Sun-Times (1.00 / 1) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 10:57:42 PM EST
    that well known subsidiary of Big Oil...

    snicker snicker

    [ Parent ]

    Tehe snicker snicker (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by jondee on Sat Oct 13, 2007 at 12:51:24 PM EST
    Yuk Yuk.

    The writer works for the Heartland Institute a "think"(weasal) tank that recieves millions from Exxon.

    Stick with Whirled Nut Daily. And dont forget to tell us when the Rapture starts.

    [ Parent ]

    jondee (1.00 / 1) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 09:30:46 AM EST
    And the Sun-Times just publishes propaganda...I am lol. But since you brought the subject up.

    As for bias and propaganda, it seems that Editor and Publisher has no qualms with a columnist advocating exactly that.

    The industry still has a lot of power to influence people. How about if newspapers abandon their old way of doing things when it comes to the issue of global warming, and turn their influence to good? It just might be that through this issue alone, newspapers revive themselves to some extent. Editors are shirking their responsibility to improve our world, in my view, so let's change that.

    lol and a hehe

    BTW:

    WASHINGTON, Sept. 12  PRNewswire-USNewswire -- A new analysis of peer-reviewed literature reveals that more than 500 scientists have published evidence refuting at least one element of current man-made global warming scares. More than 300 of the scientists found evidence that 1) a natural moderate 1,500-year climate cycle has produced more than a dozen global warmings similar to ours since the last Ice Age and/or that 2) our Modern Warming is linked strongly to variations in the sun's irradiance. "This data and the list of scientists make a mockery of recent claims that a scientific consensus blames humans as the primary cause of global temperature

    Link

    Did you even read the link???

    For example, Gore claims that Himalayan glaciers are shrinking and global warming is to blame. Yet the September 2006 issue of the American Meteorological Society's Journal of Climate reported, "Glaciers are growing in the Himalayan Mountains, confounding global warming alarmists who recently claimed the glaciers were shrinking and that global warming was to blame."

    Is the American Meteorological Society's Journal of Climate controlled by Big Oil?

    Gore claims the snowcap atop Africa's Mt. Kilimanjaro is shrinking and that global warming is to blame. Yet according to the November 23, 2003, issue of Nature magazine, "Although it's tempting to blame the ice loss on global warming, researchers think that deforestation of the mountain's foothills is the more likely culprit. Without the forests' humidity, previously moisture-laden winds blew dry. No longer replenished with water, the ice is evaporating in the strong equatorial sunshine."

    Is Nature magazine a mouth piece for BP??

    Gore argues Greenland is in rapid meltdown, and that this threatens to raise sea levels by 20 feet. But according to a 2005 study in the Journal of Glaciology, "the Greenland ice sheet is thinning at the margins and growing inland, with a small overall mass gain." In late 2006, researchers at the Danish Meteorological Institute reported that the past two decades were the coldest for Greenland since the 1910s.

    And the Journal of Glaciology owned by Exxon?

    Have some more kool-aid, jondee.

    [ Parent ]

    Jim (none / 0) (#30)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Oct 13, 2007 at 12:40:24 PM EST
    You say the Nobel prize has been declining in stature for years. Would that be before or since Hitler refused to allow the award to be accepted by Gerhard Domagk, the discoverer of Sulfa, because the award was given previously to an anti Nazi activist?

    You're in good company.

    I don't care if Arafat (1.00 / 0) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 09:34:20 AM EST
    shared it with Christ himself, Arafat should not have received it.

    And what Hitler did has nothing to do with what the current crop of judges are doing.

    [ Parent ]

    are doing.. (5.00 / 0) (#52)
    by jondee on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 03:44:38 PM EST
    Making wingnuts look bad. How dare they?

    Obviously they hate America.

    [ Parent ]

    Of course (5.00 / 0) (#53)
    by jondee on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 03:55:21 PM EST
    if we question the objectivity of Exxon funded "researchers", then we might be forced to question the ethics of Chimpy hiring 80% of his regulators from the ex-lobbyist pool. And we cant have that kind of America-hating talk going on, now can we?

    [ Parent ]
    Here's the list (none / 0) (#32)
    by Dark Avenger on Sat Oct 13, 2007 at 01:36:28 PM EST
    from the Wikipedia, PPJ can give us a year or at least the decade when the decline began.

    You're in good company.

    Along with the present regime in Burma, the current masters of China and Pres Clinton who didn't meet with the 1997 winner, BTW.

    Sorry for being unoriginal and coming in at the end of the thread.

    [ Parent ]

    DA - When someone sets themselves (none / 0) (#38)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 09:40:18 AM EST
    up to be be the judge of such august and reverend things as a prize for peace, I think this is a good quote:

    Albert Einstein once said, "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."

    Link

    hehe

    [ Parent ]

    PPJ, the quote would also apply to those (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Dark Avenger on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 11:41:57 AM EST
    who assert that

    The Nobel Peace prize has been declining in stature for years. Giving it to Gore takes it lower.

    especially when they are caught out with nothing to substantiate their snark with facts and logic.

    In other words, put the ace back when you got it from, and play with the hand you've been dealt, instead of the hand you wish you'd been dealt.

    You've just shot yourself in the foot rhetorically speaking, and you didn't even realize it.

    He-he-he.

    You are aware that you're quoting a man who was a pacifist and didn't believe in the Judeo-Christian God, aren't you?

    Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.

    It's also risible that you'd quote a scientist when you can't even explain the concept of falsifiability or how science works except by parroting what you've read on various websites as you demonstrate no understanding of the subject whatsoever to anyone who majored in a branch of science, as I did in Biology many moons ago to accomplish a BA in the subject.

    Of course, I'll admit that Einstein is better company than Clinton on the subject of Nobel prizes.......

    This quote from Einstein seems to explain why you write such trashy snark in response to edger, BTD, squeaky, Molly Bloom, myself, etc. better than anything I could think of by anyone else:

    "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds."

    Thanks for the laughs and demonstrating how not to do a threadjack.

    TTFN.

    [ Parent ]

    So, what's your point??? (none / 0) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 02:17:37 PM EST
    I mean besides wanting to change the subject.

    MMGW is a fake. Algore is a fake. Read the information I provided.

    As for the quote, it is possible to hold two contrasting thoughts at one time. At least for most people. You? Evidently not.

    [ Parent ]

    Changing the subject? Talk about glass houses! (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Dark Avenger on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 05:56:17 PM EST
    You wrote some snark that you couldn't back up, and now you whine "Check my link" for me to waste my time with more RW bullsh*t sites.  

    No.  Way.

    I must commend you for displaying a classica example of  what Richard Hofstadter called "The Paranoid Style In American Politics".

    MMGW is a fake.

    Really?

    Than how do you account for this?:

    The sun's changing energy levels are not to blame for recent global warming and, if anything, solar variations over the past 20 years should have had a cooling effect, scientists said on Wednesday.

    Their findings add to a growing body of evidence that human activity, not natural causes, lies behind rising average world temperatures, which are expected to reach their second highest level this year since records began in the 1860s.

    There is little doubt that solar variability has influenced the Earth's climate in the past and may well have been a factor in the first half of the last century, but British and Swiss researchers said it could not explain recent warming.

    "Over the past 20 years, all the trends in the sun that could have had an influence on Earth's climate have been in the opposite direction to that required to explain the observed rise in global mean temperatures," they wrote in the Proceedings of the Royal Society.

    Most scientists say emissions of greenhouse gases, mainly from burning fossil fuels in power plants, factories and cars, are the prime cause of the current warming trend.

    A dwindling group pins the blame on natural variations in the climate system, or a gradual rise in the sun's energy output.

    In order to unpick that possible link, Mike Lockwood of Britain's Rutherford Appleton Laboratory and Claus Froehlich of the World Radiation Centre in Davos, Switzerland, studied factors that could have forced climate change in recent decades, including variations in total solar irradiance and cosmic rays.

    The data was smoothed to take account of the 11-year sunspot cycle, which affects the amount of heat the sun emits but does not impact the Earth's surface air temperature, due to the way the oceans absorb and retain heat.

    They concluded that the rapid rise in global mean temperatures seen since the late 1980s could not be ascribed to solar variability, whatever mechanism was invoked.

    Britain's Royal Society -- one of the world's oldest scientific academies, founded in 1660 -- said the new research was an important rebuff to climate change skeptics

    As for the quote, it is possible to hold two contrasting thoughts at one time.

    It's not a matter of contrasting thoughts, but a double standard whereby you can say anything but when asked to clarify or provide evidence for your comment, you fall back on snark and quotes because you can't back up your comment with logic or facts.

    You? Evidently not.

    Ah, yes, the unpatented "Heads I win, tails you lose"  PPJ closing argument.

    TTFN.

    [ Parent ]

    sigh... (none / 0) (#56)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 08:47:26 PM EST
    Just read the links...

    hehe

    [ Parent ]

    It's risible that you practically beg (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Dark Avenger on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 09:53:43 PM EST
    for folks to check your links, when you have a history of not checking links if the info isn't to your liking.

    Tee-hee-hee.

    TTFN

    [ Parent ]

    And your point is that (none / 0) (#63)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 10:00:30 PM EST
    because I don't do something that would help me, it is okay for you to do something that would help you..

    That's weak.

    hehe

    [ Parent ]

    No, PPJ, it's called hypocrisy (none / 0) (#64)
    by Dark Avenger on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 12:11:24 PM EST
    and it is something you excel at, as the thread about Al Gore getting the Nobel Prize can demonstrate to even the casual researcher.

    Tee-hee-hee.

    TTFN

    [ Parent ]

    Of course The Chicago Sun Times (none / 0) (#33)
    by jondee on Sat Oct 13, 2007 at 01:40:10 PM EST
    (and The Heartland Institute) are much more credible.

    [ Parent ]
    Speaking Of Declining In Stature (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by john horse on Sat Oct 13, 2007 at 03:08:34 PM EST
    Speaking of declining in stature, I couldn't but help notice that since the 2,000 election George Bush has experienced a marked decline in stature, whereas Al Gore a marked increase.  

    I believe those who bemoan the supposed decline in the stature of the Nobel Prize are just Bush political supporters expressing their envy and jealousy.

    [ Parent ]

    OK (1.00 / 0) (#39)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 09:41:18 AM EST
    And history will show Bush as a President and Gore as a maker of fake movies....

    [ Parent ]
    John Horse Wrote (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by glanton on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 12:51:36 PM EST
    I believe those who bemoan the supposed decline in the stature of the Nobel Prize are just Bush political supporters

    An irrefutable truth that you didn't ned to illustrate with your response.  But thanks for the contribution nonetheless.

    Seriously, is there anyone out there who claims the Nobel Peace Prize is declining in stature, who isn't a supporter of George W. Bush?  

    Anyone?

    Hmmmmmm.  Whyever might this be?

    [ Parent ]

    heh (1.00 / 1) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 02:19:40 PM EST
    Has anyone ever told you that answering your own questions is a sure sign of having a "senior moment?"

    [ Parent ]
    Well, you're wlecome to answer the question (5.00 / 0) (#54)
    by glanton on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 05:28:22 PM EST
    Me, I'd link to a critic of the President who over the last week has been yammering that the Peace Prize has lost stature, but after an exhaustive search I cannot find a critic of the President who has been yammering to this effect.  

    Must all be coincidence.

    Stay alert, Jim (the Muslims are coming!), and stay with Fox.


    [ Parent ]

    Stay altert glanton... (1.00 / 1) (#57)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 08:50:10 PM EST
    That you think that the Nobel prize has not lost stature is a clear indication that you have been trapped in a time warp..

    Since I don't believe in time wraps I'll put you down as uneducated.

    [ Parent ]

    Thanks for answering my question (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by glanton on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 09:38:31 PM EST
    But no need to ask me to stay alert, for I will not, nor will I stay with Fox.  

    [ Parent ]
    Well.. I'm sure there's more than a few out there (none / 0) (#46)
    by Edger on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 01:16:50 PM EST
    who think Bush is an incompetent idiot, and would much rather have Rudy Ghouliani in the Oval Office.

    [ Parent ]
    "HIistory" (none / 0) (#50)
    by jondee on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 02:20:04 PM EST
    Will provide a few more details besides job description; so much the worse for the ever dwindling number of wingnuts.

    [ Parent ]
    True (1.00 / 0) (#58)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 08:51:18 PM EST
    And the description will be:

    Bush President.

    Algire maker of fake movies...

    [ Parent ]

    Me Tarzan, You Jane (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 01:08:00 PM EST
    Your in depth knowledge of the Crusades certainly proves you to be a first rate historical scholar.

    You forgot to mention that history will prove Bush pure and Gore impure.

    [ Parent ]

    You mean (none / 0) (#78)
    by Edger on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 04:47:20 PM EST
    Bush President. Say it loud! Say it proud!

    [ Parent ]
    Take your pick... (1.00 / 0) (#40)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 09:51:32 AM EST
    And as I showed in my other reply, are you also claiming that Nature magazine, American Meteorological Society's Journal of Climate, Journal of Glaciology and the American Meteorological Society's Journal of Climate are under the control of big oil???

    Don't you think that's pretty paranoid?

    And then there is the not so small matter of those 500 peer reviewed articles...

    Man Made  Global Warming - MMGA - has become a religion... And Algore is the high priest.... Are you willing to sacrifice at its altar??

    hehe

    [ Parent ]

    Hehe tehe (5.00 / 0) (#51)
    by jondee on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 02:38:40 PM EST
    lol (My blood sugar's low again and Im having memories from when I was 13)

    And the other THOUSANDS of researchers who tke the man-made influence on climate change seriously are--oh yeah, I remember-- under the influence of tenured-radical-controlled universities.

    Whats the matter Little Jimmy, afraid to use that argument anymore? Afraid it shows you up for the scared, Talk Radio educated twit you are?

    lol. Yuk Yuk.

    [ Parent ]

    heh (1.00 / 0) (#59)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 09:00:40 PM EST
    I give you magazine after magazine of non-biased sources and you don't want to talk about that.

    That MMGW has become PC and necessary for funding is so well understood I am surprised that you revisit it.

    Since I won that one I won't bother in revisiting it.

    tehe

    [ Parent ]

    Add this one (none / 0) (#61)
    by glanton on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 09:45:13 PM EST
    To the ever-increasing list of things that, apparently, only Bush supporters see.

    The opposition (none / 0) (#76)
    by Deconstructionist on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 03:48:57 PM EST
     condemns hypocritical celebrities who lecture other people about the need to make sacrifices while enjoying wasteful luxuries the lectured could not dream of enjoying because the hypocritical celebrities inject themselves into the debate to boost their image  and have the ability to draw attention to their pronouncements almost all others lack.

      If Gore, Streisand or whoever is the celebrity du jour on the issue du jour would not draw attention to themselves and incidentally to their hypocricy by attempting to boost their images  they probably would not draw flak intended to deflate their images.

    algore (none / 0) (#84)
    by Fred Sinclair on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:31:41 AM EST
    I have prayed to God that He will allow me to live long enough to witness algore being led away in handcuffs to begin serving his lifetime sentence in prison for his "Manmade" Global warming Hoax

    The trillions of dollars involved on the newly mandated CFL's (100% of which are manufactured in China) is part of his scheme to become the planet's first trillionaire. Every traffic light contains 16 bulbs, add in all the nation's auto headlights, turn signal bulbs, dome lights, etc. @ $3.50 per bulb - China's getting richer and richer while America supplies most of their wealth.

    I hope that lifetime sentence is "Without Possibility of Parole"

    Of  course his phony "Oscar" and "Nobel" will have to be deleted.