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    Belated, but... (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by HK on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 12:54:02 PM EST
    Happy New Year, all!  

    I moved house a week before Christmas (bravery or madness - you decide) and only got my internet access back yesterday.  Cold turkey for me on more than one front this festive season!  So sorry it's late, but I wish you all the best for this New Year.

    I'm hoping that we will be hearing more good news from New Jersey soon and common sense will prevail bringing the end to the death penalty in that state.

    I think in both politics and the justice system there is great potential for a progressive year in 2007.

    OPT (Other People's Terror) (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Dadler on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 01:29:19 PM EST
    Interesting little piece about how terror is trivial when it's not Muslims.

    Good find, Dadler. (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Edger on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 01:36:02 PM EST
    Saturday's bombing would not have made the top of the news because like all terrorism that occurs in the west, it is extremely rare, random and, like murder, rape or theft, is impossible to ever truly prevent.

    But, but, but... bush "won" his War On Thinking a long time ago. Just ask our pet trolls. ;-)


    a good catch and, (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by scribe on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 01:49:54 PM EST
    it proves the only terrists who get the PR treatment are Muslims.  The Spanish bombing (which was covered on European radio, briefly, when it happened) is being handled just like that guy in Tennessee who wanted to blow up the Courthouse and set off some sarin and such, and was convicted with the jury out for about 45 minutes.  He got an ordinary criminal trial and no publicity, but he was a neo-Nazi white cracker.

    If he'd been Muslim or dark-skinned, he'd get the PR treatment.  If he were both, like Mr. Padilla, he'd be furniture.

    One could easily make a case that, in reality, Bush's war on terra is at base a war of race and/or religion.  In other words, a war whose driving force is no different from that behind the Nazi aggression of the 1930s and 40s.

    Interesting, too, in that Bushie's now coming in to have his GROFAZ moment, in battles for a city on a river, far to the east, which he swears he'll never give up.


    scribe (1.00 / 2) (#12)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 02:38:39 PM EST
    He got an ordinary criminal trial and no publicity, but he was a neo-Nazi white cracker.

    Well, let's see. He was not a member of an organization with millions of members threatening everybody who disagrees with him and he didn't kill anybody and he was put away for a long time.

    Oh yeah... He hadn't been to flight school and crashed three jets into buildings....

    And your point is that this story should make the evening news..



    millions of members my a$$ (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Edger on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 02:43:09 PM EST
    Who are you now? ACakappj?

    edger has the facts (sarcasm alert) (1.00 / 2) (#14)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 02:54:30 PM EST
    Well, how many terrorists are there?

    And include the ones living on your as*.


    you're making the claim (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Edger on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 02:56:21 PM EST
    back it up.

    Edger - Ask and ye shall receive. (1.00 / 2) (#26)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 04:34:08 PM EST
    Middle East political commentator Daniel Pipes says that there are no less than 130 million Islamic jihadists but I don't believe that is possible because there haven't been sufficient jihadist attacks over the past 20 years for that many Muslims to be engaged in the business of killing people for Allah. The potential pool of jihadists, however, is reasonably close to Pipes' estimate. Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch is on another planet with his estimate of as many as 650 million jihadists - one in every two Muslims.

    So we have claims from 650,000,000 to 130,000,000.
    Let's just say 13,000,000.

    There. Feel better??



    Pipes? (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Edger on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 04:41:31 PM EST
    Of course. Where did he write that from? His underground bunker?

    Daniel Pipes (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by Dadler on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 04:46:57 PM EST
    Is considered a joke by any serious academic.  Please.  There's more than a billion Chinese, what's the potential pool of Chinese workers to put us out of business?  A lot.  By that numbskulled analysis, the potential pool is merely the entire number minus infants and elderly.  They're all guilty until proven innocent.


    "Reading Daniel Pipes's latest book, brimming with dire warnings of Islamic threats, made me deeply envious. I so wish I could be a polemicist, then I'd never have to worry about accuracy and balance, about passing off egregious nonsense as alarming statement of fact, about repetition and self-contradiction. I, too, could trumpet mediocre fictions as insightful prophecies...

    Pipes's solution to the problem of militant Islam amounts to supporting its enemies, whoever they are and no matter what they do, just as it earlier made sense to stick by Saigon or Augusto Pinochet in Chile. It was, of course, the US's later determination to stick by those fighting the Russian communists in Afghanistan that led the CIA into bed with Osama bin Laden. How little we learn..."

    Peter Rodgers, Weekend Australian, 11/16/02
    Peter Rodgers is a former Australian ambassador to Israel.

    A polemic has license for exaggeration, but Militant Islam makes indefensible claims. Citing Iran's eight-year war against Iraq, Pipes suggests that Islamic states are inherently war-like, ignoring the fact that the war was started by secular Iraq. Afghanistan's civil wars are blamed on militant Islam, a gross simplification ignoring the venality and murderousness of the warlords who opened the way for the Taliban...

    A chapter devoted to the unmasking of Islamic sleeper cells could be mistaken for self-parody. Clues to search for include, "Sending or receiving large amounts of money; criminal activity, especially reliance on counterfeited money and smuggling; a promising career that failed, descent into drugs and alcohol, then redemption through Islam; an offer to work for the enemy's intelligence service..."

    Robert Ruby, Baltimore Sun, 9/29/02

    Based in Philadelphia and headed by anti-Arab propagandist Daniel Pipes, Campus Watch unleashed an Internet firestorm in late September, when it posted "dossiers" on eight scholars who have had the audacity to criticize US foreign policy and the Israeli occupation. As a gesture of solidarity, more than 100 academics subsequently contacted the Middle East Forum asking to be added to the list...

    Pipes is notorious in the academy for calling Muslims "barbarians" and "potential killers" in a 2001 National Review article and accusing them of scheming to "replace the [US] Constitution with the Koran," in a similar piece in Insight on the News. Along these lines, a 1990 National Review article insisted that "Western European societies are unprepared for the massive immigration of brown-skinned peoples cooking strange foods and maintaining different standards of hygiene....All immigrants bring exotic customs and attitudes, but Muslim customs are more troublesome than most."

    In addition to running the Middle East Forum, serving on a Defense Department antiterrorism task force and writing columns for the Jerusalem and New York Post, Pipes is also a regular contributor to the website of Gamla, an organization founded by former Israeli military officers and settlers that endorses the ethnic cleansing of every Palestinian as "the only possible solution" to the Arab-Israeli conflict...

    Kristine McNeil, The Nation, 11/11/02

    Last month, the blitzkrieg (and that word was chosen precisely for its Nazi allusion) against academia roared into high gear. Daniel Pipes, one of America's most notorious Arab-haters and Islamophobes (qualities held in high esteem in Washington these days), launched a website, www.campus-watch.org, that solicits students to spy on their teachers...

    Pipes is best known for his strident and often racist denunciations of Arabs and Islam. In an effort to divide Americans -- one that if you inserted "blacks" for "Muslims" and "whites" for "Jews," would be vigorously damned as KKK-speech -- he told the American Jewish Congress a year ago that he worries "the presence and increased stature, and affluence, and enfranchisement of American Muslims...will present true dangers to American Jews."

    I contacted Pipes, and he not only confirmed his quote but, incredibly, added: "It is accurate in itself but you must note that this was spoken to a Jewish audience. I make the same point respectively to audiences of women, gays, civil libertarians, Hindus, Evangelical Christians, atheists, and scholars of Islam, among others, all of whom face 'true dangers' as the number of Muslims increases..."

    John Sugg, Creative Loafing, 10/2/02

    Those familiar with (Daniel Pipes and Alan Dershowitzs') track records understand that, in writing these books, Pipes and Dershowitz are promoting a point of view that is pro-Israel and anti-Arab/Muslim. As an "associate" of the pro-Israel Washington Institute for Near East Policy, which is connected to like-minded organizations such as the Middle East Forum, the Middle East Research Institute and superhawk Richard Perle's American Enterprise Institute, Pipes has made a career of Arab- and Muslim-bashing...

    Gary D. Keenan, Vancouver Sun, 9/14/02  


    dadler and edger (1.00 / 1) (#45)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 09:30:53 PM EST
    Pardon me while I laugh... Read the link.
    Pipes isn't the author. He gets about one sentence. And the author is very much against our invasion of Iraq...

    Talk about conclusion jumping...


    Aaaah!! They're everywhere!!!! (none / 0) (#34)
    by Edger on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 05:07:41 PM EST
    13,000,000 is about 1% of the world population of Muslims.

    About 1% of the U.S. population is Muslim - about 2.5 million Americans.

    1% of them is about 25,000 in America Jim. Living all around you.

    Not one single terrorist incident from any of them in five years?

    You off your meds again?


    edger - Meds? Try fish oil (1.00 / 1) (#44)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 09:26:46 PM EST
    edger - Meds? heck, you can't even remember the question you asked...try fish oil

    The question was how many, not where they lived.



    Where did you say you came up with your (none / 0) (#36)
    by Edger on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 05:18:53 PM EST
    organization with millions of members threatening everybody, again Jim???

    ppj supports terrorists (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Sailor on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 04:45:28 PM EST
    not only are there millions of those folks, they are openly on the American public airwaves calling for the destruction of American cities, death to American judges, death to American politicians, burning churches, blowing up federal buildings, killing foregn and converting their people to christianity by force, nuking the whole ME ... just because they are too stupid to learn how to fly doesn't mean they aren't terrorists.

    ppj likes those folks. He finds them entertaining. By bushco's definition they are terrorists, as is anyone who supports them.


    sailor - Sarcasm alert (1.00 / 0) (#46)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 09:33:41 PM EST
    Yes sailor, we all know that we have had attack after attack by non-moslem terrorists.. They have flown into our buildings, declared war on the western world... cut of heads and rioted over cartoons featuring the pope...


    I repeat. All moslems are not terrorists. But the vast majority of terrorists are moslem.


    I repeat (none / 0) (#51)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 10:31:51 PM EST
    All Cubans are not terrorists. But the vast majority of terrorists we shelter in south Florida are Cubans.

    And you love them.


    Ernesto (none / 0) (#60)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 08:31:01 AM EST
    Oh really? I suppose you can show me a group of them that has declared jihad on us.

    So terrorism per se is not a problem for you? (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by aw on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 09:16:48 AM EST
    So you're only worried by terrorists who declare jihad?

    For three decades, both Bosch and Posada have been under the Bush family's wing, starting with former President George H.W. Bush (who was CIA director when the airline bombing occurred in 1976) and including Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and President George W. Bush.

    The evidence points to one conclusion:  the Bushes regard terrorism - defined as killing civilians for a political reason - as justified in cases when their interests match those of the terrorists. Moral clarity against terrorism only applies when the Bush side disagrees with the terrorists.

    This hypocrisy often has been aided and abetted by the U.S. news media, which intuitively understands the double standard and largely ignores cases in which the terrorism is connected to U.S. government officials.

    Bush's Hypocrisy:Cuban Terrorists

    Here's a long list of terrorist bombings and murders in Miami alone.
    Anti-Cuba Terrorist Actions in Miami 1968-2000


    But if we began demonizing.... (3.00 / 2) (#16)
    by demohypocrates on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 03:06:08 PM EST
    left wing terrorists more frequently, wouldnt you call us McCarthyites?  If you really think that a fringe group still fighting Franco (guess they didnt catch Chevy Chase's last SNL newscast) should be equated with Islamic fanatics, then you are you are suffering from a severe case of DP, Disproportion Syndrome.  I will qualify my statement by saying, if I lived in Spain, I might agree.  If I lived in Thailand, the Philipines,  the UK, Chechnya, Israel, India, Pakistan, Egypt, Syria, etc, etc, etc, etc, I would have to disagree.

    went right past, huh demo? (1.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Edger on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 03:24:46 PM EST
    In my administration, (none / 0) (#20)
    by demohypocrates on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 03:51:53 PM EST
    I would proudly appoint you Homeland Security Director of Basque Separatist Affairs.  Please liason with the Francisco Franco Channeling Committee over at the Paranormal Department.

    Hard to notice them (none / 0) (#21)
    by Edger on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 04:05:07 PM EST
    at that altitude, isn't it? ;-)

    Welll, yeah, its the (none / 0) (#23)
    by demohypocrates on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 04:14:40 PM EST
    pigeon feathers in my goggles.  ;)

    Really? (none / 0) (#24)
    by Edger on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 04:20:29 PM EST
    I have trouble with the clouds of duck feathers, myself. ;-)

    dadler (1.00 / 0) (#9)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 02:31:16 PM EST
    Well, for starters the Basque separatist organization ETA is within Spain, although some have settled in France. It isn't trying to attack the US, or England or France, etc.

    So while it may be of intense interest in Spain, it is local Spanish news to the rest of the world.

    Now. Your point is???


    Sigh (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Dadler on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 04:26:42 PM EST
    Their terrorists only want to kill them, right?  Just them, the Spanish, so what?  The terrorists we face, well, they want to kill every American twice, three times, and blow up the whole planet five times.  And everyone knows what concerns the U.S. is the only thing that really matters.    

    Perception is reality.  

    And our reality sucks right now.


    Dadler (1.00 / 2) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 04:38:12 PM EST
    Don't change the subject. Your point was that the media ignored the Basques while concentrating on the Moslem terrorists.

    I just showed you why.


    They do it for you, PPJ (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by aw on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 06:31:29 PM EST
    Because they know people like you eat it up.

    aw - most people (1.00 / 1) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 09:37:58 PM EST
    Oh, really??? You do understand that it our very own residents who brought the subject up... don't you?

    You did read the complaints... didn't you?

    Now most people would find that instructive who was interested in it...

    You? Nope. See if edger has any fish oil left.


    the allegation and the alligator (none / 0) (#56)
    by Dadler on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 01:08:29 AM EST
    Strangely, or perhaps not so, your concept of "changing the subject" includes directly addressing that subject.  

    I'm not even talking about whatever media coverage it did or didn't get.  I wouldn't even argue with you about the reasons the media here didn't/doesn't cover it, because I have no argument with you, it's OBVIOUS why the media doesn't cover it.  Again, that has nothing to do with the reality that we are perceived as apathetic to the plight of others in the GWOT.  And for reasons not even you can easily brush aside, try as you might.


    Despicable duncan hunter on c-span... (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Bill Arnett on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 01:53:53 PM EST
    ..."bragging" about how well the rethugs have secured the country and what a success our efforts in Iraq have been.

    Utterly disgusting, both the man and his lies.

    And the rethugs are in a full-on love-fest with each other in their mutual @$$kissing society.

    They are already complaining that dems campaigned on "bipartisanship", but that their actions "since taking over" doesn't bear that out. After ONE DAY.

    Their chutzpah knows no bounds.

    That about sums it up, doesn't it? (none / 0) (#8)
    by aw on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 02:03:34 PM EST
    Their chutzpah knows no bounds.

    From Gates (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Edger on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 03:35:54 PM EST
    Jan. 05/06, DOD News Release:

    Schoomaker and Abizaid gone.
    Casey to be Army Chief of Staff.
    Petraeus succeeds Casey as commander of Multi-National Forces - Iraq.
    Fallon takes over Central Command.

    ABC Radio SLAPPs down a blogger (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Zeno on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 06:32:25 PM EST
    Spocko is a blogger who listens to ABC Radio's KSFO out of San Francisco and has documented the constant stream of vitriol and hate speech that flows from its talk show hosts -- things like "painting a bull's-eye" on Nancy Pelosi or advocating torture or castration for prisoners. When Spocko informed several KSFO advertisers what it was they were sponsoring, some of them pulled their ads. ABC/Disney swung into action, got a cease & desist order, and Spocko's service provider shut down his blog.

    Spocko sent me and some other bloggers his story. I've posted it here with links. Share it with others, please.

    Spocko's Brain (none / 0) (#110)
    by Aaron on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 08:41:31 PM EST
    pp (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by jondee on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 12:27:14 PM EST
    Long (winded) essay purporting to pertain to American political traditions and history by a self proclaimed "Jacksonian", and the net result is stll: Jackson quotes: O, "suprisingly articulate" Klansman quotes: 1. And no, Im not veiling my insults, Im outright insulting you; for continually insulting our intelligence.

    Jondee - Still can't debate. (1.00 / 2) (#77)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 12:36:08 PM EST
    So you believe that when you quote someone, you automatically agree with them.

    And than you say:

    And no, Im not veiling my insults, Im outright insulting you; for continually insulting our intelligence

    "Our intelligence?" Do you have fleas? And your intelligence?  Really? Could you put it on display??


    I'm with Jondee (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by aw on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 12:48:12 PM EST
    so "our" is correct.  Who are you speaking for, anyway?

    aw (1.00 / 3) (#88)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 01:48:16 PM EST
    Okay, you can't debate either.

    Nothing new.


    See those numbers at the top of each comment? (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by aw on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 10:20:35 PM EST
    Think of them as debating scores.  What's yours?

    aw (1.00 / 1) (#93)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 11:23:55 PM EST
    Do you think I care??

    Good grief.


    Shoes and ships and sealing wax.. (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by jondee on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 12:41:32 PM EST
    heres a suprisingly articulate economist.

    "Historically, economics was about thinking. It began with people who were approaching things from    a philosophical and historical sense of thought, and simply added economic ideas into that. But, what you've seen over the past quarter century, in university after university is the gradual decapitation of economic thinkers. The University of Toronto, for example, was a great center of economic historians. Today, I dont think theres one left. This is the place that produced people like Harold Innis. The great tyhinkers asking "How does it all work? Where are we going? What does it mean? There isnt one left. They wre replaced by proliferation microeconomists; people sitting in front of their computers, churning out numbers. The whole thing has been turned upside down. This generation of enormous amounts of numbers is thought to be the basis for how you produce truth,
    whereas it is in fact "garbage in, garbage out" plus or minus equations. So we have a real problem."

               John Ralston Saul

    Isreal planning nuke attack on Iran (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by Edger on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 07:32:15 AM EST
    Jerusalem Newswire, January 07, 2007
    IAF [Israeli Air Force] pilots had been carrying out special training in Gibraltar and three flight paths to target sites in Iran had already been mapped out.

    The plan, according to the paper, is for Israel to use bunker-busting bombs to drill `tunnels" through thickly reinforced steel and concrete shields at the Natanz plant, and then drop relatively small tactical nuclear bombs into the actual facility, destroying it.

    Conventional bombs will be used on two of the country's other sites - at Isfahan and Arak.

    The Sunday Times, January 07, 2007
    ISRAEL has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran's uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons.

    Two Israeli air force squadrons are training to blow up an Iranian facility using low-yield nuclear "bunker-busters", according to several Israeli military sources.

    The attack would be the first with nuclear weapons since 1945, when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Israeli weapons would each have a force equivalent to one-fifteenth of the Hiroshima bomb.

    Under the plans, conventional laser-guided bombs would open "tunnels" into the targets. "Mini-nukes" would then immediately be fired into a plant at Natanz, exploding deep underground to reduce the risk of radioactive fallout.

    "As soon as the green light is given, it will be one mission, one strike and the Iranian nuclear project will be demolished," said one of the sources.

    The plans, disclosed to The Sunday Times last week, have been prompted in part by the Israeli intelligence service Mossad's assessment that Iran is on the verge of producing enough enriched uranium to make nuclear weapons within two years.

    Medical Consequences of a Nuclear Attack on Iran
    Physicians For Social Resonsibility, May 2006
    From our map we can see that within 48 hours, fallout would cover much of Iran, most of Afghanistan and spread on into Pakistan and India. Fallout from the use of a burrowing weapon such as the B61-11 would be worse than from a surface or airburst weapon, due to the extra radioactive dust and debris ejected from the blast site. In the immediate area of the two attacks, our calculations show that within 48 hours, an estimated 2.6 million people would die.
    Over 1,000,000 people would suffer immediate injuries including thermal and flash burns, radiation sickness, broken limbs, lacerations, blindness, crush injuries, burst eardrums and other traumas. In the wider region, over 10.5 million people would be exposed to significant radiation from fallout.....

    Bush blindly presses on (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Edger on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 09:49:05 AM EST
    Sunday January 7, 2007
    The Observer
    President set for showdown with Democrats as he pours in more soldiers
    President Bush is to announce this week that up to 30,000 extra troops will be thrown into the battle for Baghdad.
    The final shape of Bush's new strategy began to emerge yesterday in a series of leaks and statements in Washington and Baghdad ahead of his announcement, expected on Tuesday.
    Bush's apparent determination to send extra troops, rather than set a timetable for withdrawal, represents a rejection of the Iraq Study Group report, which said US policy was not working and urged talks with two of Iraq's neighbours, Iran and Syria. It also sets the stage for a major battle between a House and Senate newly under Democratic control, put into power largely because of US voters' misgivings over his conduct of the war.

    Some hate is worse than others (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by jondee on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 12:56:26 PM EST
    Heres a question: how long would a person be allowed to post here if they continually linked to an article that favorably quoted Heinrich Himmler to support it's thesis? Next question: how much difference is there between a nazi and an Imperial Wizard of the Klan?

    I guess its okay as long as the main target is the shwarzers; not many Nobel winners there.

    I brought this up OT in another post (4.50 / 2) (#6)
    by aw on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 01:50:37 PM EST
    How about that Bush land deal (98,840 acres), in Paraguay?  Right next door to the Reverend Moon, yet.

    Wonkette  has it nicely summarized, though the original article in the Paraguayan paper has been disappeared.  Is it true?  It was reported in papers in Brazil and Argentina as well.

    Oh, and both the Moonie and Bush land is located at what Paraguay's drug czar called an "enormously strategic point in both the narcotics and arms trades." And it sits atop the one of the world's largest fresh-water aquifers.


    Paraguay, of course, has been a recent source of alarm to the region for its allowance of its tri-border territory to become a US military beachhead. Now, with the reports of the Bush purchase of an "ecological reserve" alongside Moon's, we have good reason to suspect that US national security has again been seconded to the Bush family business.
    Rigorous Intuition

    I wonder why this hasn't been mentioned by the US media?  They weren't averse to "reporting" any kind of speculation about our last president.

    As la Noonan once said: "Would it be irresponsible to speculate? It would be irresponsible not to."

    Deann Spingola last year wrote (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Edger on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 02:36:39 PM EST
    a very good article covering a variety of topics about US and Bushco meddling in SA countries:
    The United States alleges that they have no plans for establishing military bases in Paraguay. Of course, they said they had no plans to establish military bases in Iraq. Not only are the locals concerned about the military taking up residence, there are substantial rumors that the Bush family has purchased land in Paraguay. News of George W. Bush purchasing 98,840 acres of land in the Chaco area of Paraguay was reported in Prensa Latino, the Latin American News Agency on October 18, 2006. That story is no longer available at their site but is available as a PDF file.
    The Chaco area of Paraguay, the area in question, contains vast natural gas reserves. Most of the Chaco region belongs to private companies. Conveniently, the property that Bush claims not to own is close to the U.S. Mariscal Estigarribia Air Base and also near another large block of land controlled by the ultra right-wing Christian fundamentalist cult of Sun Myung Moon, a Bush contributor and supporter. Perhaps, Bush and Moon will be neighbors? The Reverend Sun Myung Moon owns almost 1.5 million acres. The local residents are not happy about Moon's intrusion and control. Of course, if Bush should ever need to claim political asylum, Paraguay has a history of giving asylum.

    In addition to easy access to Bolivia, there is another reason for the United States and big business being in Paraguay, considered by the U.S. to be a failed state. It is the fourth-largest producer of soy in the world. Paraguay is a country of 157,047 sq. miles, which is about the size of California (158,402 sq. miles).

    Ninety thousand (90,000) poor families have been displaced from their soybean producing land for rejecting Monsanto's genetically manipulated soybeans.
    "The Mariscal Estigarribia air base is within 124 miles of Bolivia and Argentina, and 200 miles from Brazil, near the Triple Frontier where Brazil, Paraguay, and Argentina meet. Bolivia's natural gas reserves are the second largest in South America, while the Triple Frontier region is home to the Guaraní Aquifer, one of the world's largest fresh water sources."[18] The air base is capable of housing 16,000 troops, includes a fancy radar system, large hangars and has an air traffic control tower.

    Its very interesting.... (none / 0) (#35)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 05:18:15 PM EST
    I put nothing past them.

    Yeah (none / 0) (#37)
    by Edger on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 05:31:46 PM EST
    He's scared. Enough to go hide in the jungle in South America.

    Great link, Edger (none / 0) (#42)
    by aw on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 06:52:13 PM EST
    There are a lot of creepy things going on.

    aw (1.00 / 1) (#10)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 02:34:05 PM EST
    costa says that rumor has it that Bush owns near to 70 thousand hectares (173,000 acres) as part of an ecological reserve and/or ranch. However, the governor said he had no documents to prove the rumor.

    And your point is??


    Just a heads up, PPJ (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by aw on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 06:51:21 PM EST
    I think it's worth keeping track of.  I'm pretty sure you would rather not.

    busy, busy, busy (1.00 / 1) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 09:40:00 PM EST
    Okay.. You keep track of rumors and I'll try and keep track of facts.

    We both will be busy, busy, busy.


    Okay (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by aw on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 10:05:18 AM EST
    I'll try and keep track of facts

    Don't forget the ones you make up yourself (as you've admitted).


    Salt and fly dung and picking out same. (1.00 / 1) (#75)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 12:30:46 PM EST
    sigh.... 101% of aw's comments are based on things aw doesn't understand...

    Note to self. Must remember to put approximately by every number that isn't correct to 6 decimal places.


    No Jim (none / 0) (#76)
    by Edger on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 12:35:45 PM EST
    You have the 'understanding' thing all upside down and backwards again.

    Here, boy...


    Jondee let's debate, not slur (1.00 / 1) (#22)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 04:11:32 PM EST
    I grow weary from time to time with veiled insults while the author knows that if we debate them on that thread the debate will be totally off subject.

    Jondee continues to make veiled references to racism as he recently did in the thread on David Brooks.

    He's for "the common man" the way Jacksonians who quote Klansman and not Jackson, are. It's a fantasy to succor the vanity of others and to hide oneself behind.

    What he refers to is a long ago comment that I am a fan of Jackson, and think that this article by Walter Russell Mead covers many principles of Jackson.

    Jondee's continual references to "Klansman" comes from the following passage which is first of all a framing of a question. The question being, could the flood of the immigrants of the late 19th and early 20th century over whelm the native americans' culture.

    "As Hiram W. Evans, the surprisingly articulate Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, wrote in 1926, the old stock American of his time had become a stranger in large parts of the land his fathers gave him. Moreover, he is a most unwelcome stranger, one much spit upon, and one to whom even the right to have his own opinions and to work for his own interests is now denied with jeers and revilings. `We must Americanize the Americans,' a distinguished immigrant said recently.

    I find Jondee's comments absurd on the face of them. Mead first of all insults Klansman Evans by noting that he is "surprisingly articulate," and by extension the author notes he has found Evans previous positions/beliefs/comments to be of low quality.

    But even if you disagree with that, when did saying someone did something well meant that you agreed with him? Hitler gave rousing speeches that stirred the German people is a true statement. It doesn't mean that the writer agrees with Hitler. The messenger is not the message.

    Mead continues framing his question and his point.

    Protestantism itself was losing its edge. The modernist critique of traditional Biblical readings found acceptance in one mainline denomination after another; ..... The new mainline Protestantism was a tolerant, even a namby-pamby, religion.

    The old nativist spirit, anti-immigrant, anti-modern art and apparently anti-twentieth century, still had some bite--Ku Klux crosses flamed across the Midwest as well as the South during the 1920s--but it all looked like the death throes of an outdated idea. There weren't many mourners: much of H.L. Mencken's career was based on exposing the limitations and mocking the death of what we are calling Jacksonian America.

    Most progressive, right thinking intellectuals in mid-century America believed that the future of American populism lay in a social democratic movement based on urban immigrants. ......they believed was the wave of the future; they celebrated unions and other strange, European ideas in down home country twangs so that, in the bitter words of Hiram Evans, "There is a steady flood of alien ideas being spread over the country, always carefully disguised as American."

    Mead has framed the question. Could American Jacksonian values survive?

    What came next surprised almost everyone. The tables turned, and Evans' Americans "americanized" the immigrants rather than the other way around.

    The American culture prevailed over the "old country" and Evans' belief' was thoroughly and totally rejected. The Klan was rejected and marginalized. Mead continues his point.

    In what is still a largely unheralded triumph of the melting pot, Northern immigrants gradually assimilated the values of Jacksonian individualism. Each generation of new Americans was less "social" and more individualistic than the preceding one. American Catholics, once among the world's most orthodox, remained Catholic in religious allegiance but were increasingly individualistic in terms of psychology and behavior ("I respect the Pope, but I have to follow my own conscience"). Ties to the countries of emigration steadily weakened, and the tendency to marry outside the group strengthened.

    The question we now have in front of us is if this culture can survive the huge influx of immigrants, mostly illegal. I can't answer that question, but believe that we can if we can just slow it down long enough to provide a barrier between the "old  country culture'  and the American culture. I doubt that any of is will live long enough to see the answer.

    Now you know what Jondee is always referring to.

    And if you think that believeing that the American culture will survive and that the Klansman was wrong is racist, then be my guest.

    Yeah, (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Edger on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 04:56:13 PM EST
    and Carly didn't write the song about you either.

    He's joking, right? (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by Sailor on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 04:57:30 PM EST
    I grow weary from time to time with veiled insults

    Let's go to the tape:

     by PPJ aka Jim June 7, 2005 01:33 PM
    SD - Are you daft?

    Posted by JimakaPPJ August 27, 2005 08:30 AM
    DA - That's quite a lisp you have developed there. Have you sought medical attention, or are you just trying to avoid being called on spelling, grammar and typing errors?

     Posted by JimakaPPJ August 27, 2005 11:09 AM

    DA [...] Could it be a brain tumor? Or just lack of a brain?
     Posted by PPJ (aka Jim) February 17, 2005 02:46 PM

    hardleft - You are obtuse.
    Posted by JimakaPPJ August 25, 2005 11:36 AM

    Well, first you must be smart enough connect the dots[...]
     Posted by PPJ aka Jim July 4, 2005 02:47 PM

    kth - Your lack of knowing, or understanding, history is amazing.

     Posted by PPJ aka Jim July 4, 2005 02:51 PM

    fat albert - [...] I do hope you are smart enough to understand what I wrote.

    Posted by PPJ aka Jim July 4, 2005 10:24 PM

    Hey, makes as much sense as your usual comments. Psychobabble becomes you.

    Posted by JimakaPPJ February 9, 2006 06:57 AM

    Gee Johnny

    If u cant figur it out you'll just hav to mis it.

    Posted by PPJ (aka Jim) March 15, 2005 06:05 PM

    [...] Your potty mouth demonstrates again your ignorance and reading inability.

    Posted by PPJ (aka Jim) April 27, 2005 03:59 PM

    walter - If you have to ask then you are incapable of understanding.
     Posted by JimakaPPJ March 13, 2006 04:07 PM
    ... Uh, speaking of nut cases.

    The wrongwingers always call for civility while ignoring the log in their eye.


    Gee sailor (1.00 / 1) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 10:17:34 PM EST
    I'm glad to give you something to do.

    I plead guilty to writing them and have few regrets. By and by they are timid and restrained remarks compared to yours..

    But the one thing I do note is that you never provide any context, something that is normally considered to be good to do in such matters, oh well.

    And I tried to google one or two and couldn't find them... They do exist... don't they???

    And you liked my  comment about DA's lisp? Here is the one by DA that gives context to my reply re a lisp.

    Re: Protest is OK (none / 0) (#66)
    by Dark Avenger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:49 PM EST

    PPJay, iff r u readinng thee commentt eye postedd, aas eye didnt' apologise for anythingg, aas eye didnt' due nothinng wrongg too anywon here. aas u r wontt too remmark, linke pleaze, or cann u showw de quotte were eye didd sso, alonng witth thee timme stampe?

    And this one:

    Re: Protest is OK (none / 0) (#61)
    by Dark Avenger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:49 PM EST

    PPJay hass saidd inn thee passt thatt hee hass too duaghterrs and won grandsone, itt seemss too mee att leastt thatt hee coulde hav thee boi liv withh himm whilee bothe ladiess goe too helpe bringe democrasy annd freedom too thee Iraky peeple. howze ur momm theze dayys, PPJay?

    BTW - You really should note that many of the archived comments have the thread date wrong, and the comment date right.. or vice versa

    Now that we have deconstucted your inaccurte
    attempt to prove a point..

    Do you or don't you want to debate my point that Jondee's claim that Mead's article is racist??


    Here it comes (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by aw on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 10:50:59 PM EST
    Here comes your 19th nervous breakdown

    Do you or don't you want to debate my point that Jondee's claim that Mead's article is racist??

    It's an ongoing process ;-) (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Edger on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 06:54:48 AM EST
    What do you think? We take up a collection and get him a stress reduction kit? Then enjoy the show?

    DA (1.00 / 0) (#61)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 08:41:49 AM EST
    DA - At the risk of proving that you and I were the stars of "Dumb and Dumber," perhaps you can tell us why someone with such wit and talent as the great Dark Avenger would start writing such nonsense immediately after he had snarked about my admittedly lack of typing and spelling talent. Subject snark having moved me note all of his errors.

    Someone might think that it ws a transparent attempt at disguising errors as deliberate.

    And we wonder why TL doesn't let us have Open Threads very often.

    BTW - Care to debate the Mead article or discuss Entertainment Tonight. You should have seen the cat fight Paris had with.....


    DA (1.00 / 0) (#94)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 11:26:45 PM EST
    Uh... You appear somewhat dense today.  My comment re the thread was not about hijacking, but about the extremely poor level of coments.

    Tell you anything? Nope. That would be like uh... impossible. Yada Yada, DA.

    TA Ta


    DA (1.00 / 0) (#95)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 11:29:41 PM EST
    Oh, BTW - You keep wanting to know who "us" is.

    Given that other people read these comments, when you tell me, you are also telling them. i.e "us"

    Hope that isn't too difficult for you.

    Ta Yada Yada Ta Yada


    Ta Ta Da (1.00 / 1) (#98)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 09:17:55 AM EST
    Ta Ta Da.

    Continue your attacks, please. You never make a serious comment.

    So until you do, I look forward to your Yada Yada Yada.


    ya like you ever add anything (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by soccerdad on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 11:02:38 AM EST
    prove it (none / 0) (#54)
    by Sailor on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 11:40:21 PM EST
    provide links to :
    By and by they are timid and restrained remarks compared to yours

    Caught (1.00 / 1) (#66)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 09:22:32 AM EST
    Why? I proved that you provided no context for the comments, so it is obvious to all that you make claims that are untrue.

    You're caught sailor.

    Now let's have a debate... rather than the avoidance of same with an inaccurate personal attack.


    Hey, PPJ (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by aw on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 09:25:04 AM EST
    You're wanted down in the Jose Padilla thread.

    And just in case you can't find it... (none / 0) (#69)
    by aw on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 09:29:04 AM EST
    watch him cut and run... (none / 0) (#71)
    by Edger on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 09:43:20 AM EST
    Out on the prairies (5.00 / 0) (#72)
    by Edger on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 09:49:35 AM EST
    when a dog runs away with his tail between his legs they say you can still see him 3 days later because it's so flat (a level playing field). Just look for the dust cloud.

    you didn't prove anything except you ... (3.00 / 0) (#87)
    by Sailor on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 01:47:17 PM EST
    ... can't back up your allegations with facts. Quit lying about what I wrote.

    What the article is (5.00 / 3) (#70)
    by soccerdad on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 09:34:30 AM EST
    is intellectual justification for racism. In essence all it does is put the concept of culture above the individual. Now you need to ask what culture? "Why American culture" they would say. What American culture? certainly they don't mean American Indian culture. No what they mean is early Amerianc  culture established by the first people to come to America. i.e. European, white and for the most part protestant. They then use this concept of culture to insist that all conform to their idea of what America should be, even discriminating against catholics. Then then excuse all discimination against those who do not assimilate to their view of culture since it is their responsiblity to assimilate and assimilate immediately, failure to assimilate in a timely manner justifys discrimination.

    It easy to see why PPJ loves the article because it serves as a seemingly intellegent justification for American exceptionalism, the exaltation of the military, the right to treat all those not American as inferior or at least backwards. Its the fundamental idea behind much of the neocon writings that we  should spread our "ideal" by force oppressing all those along the way. being inferior, at the minimum in a cultural sense,  then there is little wrong with torture and force. In fact the more brutal the force the better. I mean how can you really torture those who are so far beneath you.

    Throughout history there have always been very good writers able to cover the most morally reprehensible of ideas in high sounding words and this Mead article is but a single example of the neocon enabling intellectuals.

    But sometimes after you rmove the beautiful bow, ribbon and wrapping paper and peer into the box all there is, is a big pile of crap.


    Good morning SD (1.00 / 2) (#100)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 10:36:48 AM EST
    I find your response interesting. First of all, I linked to the complete article, which you appear to not have read. But since my invitation to comment was based on Jondee's long term claim that the particular section quoted was racist, I will try and focus on your comments, but be aware the whole should be noted and understood.

    First, let us again review the fact that in the portion I quoted, Mead quotes an admitted KKK racist. He noted that the Klansman was surprisingly articulate. Jondee has tried to claim that is an approving remark. Nonsense. If I told you I found you surprisingly rational this morning, you would immediately recognize that as a slur, which it would be.
    And if I quoted you, would you believe that I agreed with you? No, you would not because as an adult person you know the messenger is not the message.

    Even more compelling, after noting the success of the KKK and the expected problems...

    This immense and complex process was accelerated by social changes that took place after 1945. Physically, the old neighborhoods broke up, and the Northern industrial working class, along with the refugees from the dying American family farm, moved into the suburbs to form a new populist mix. As increasing numbers of the descendants of immigrants moved into the Jacksonian Sunbelt, the pace of assimilation grew.

    The reason for your, and Jondee's hissy fits over the article is that it is a celebration of reason over hatred and the melting pot over diversity. And that is your problem with it. It addresses American success. You want only conflict and group identity as a measure of liberty of people within the group. This is a typical position of most of those on the Left, and explains the Left's hatred of minorities who leave the Reservation and the attacks leveled against them. This hatred is exploited and encouraged by the Demo leadership because it allows large number of votes to be delivered by controlling and rewarding a few so-called group leaders. For the Left, success is not about the country, but by success for and of their political party. And it is hard to condemn them for these actions because their response is as natural as flying is to a bird. Everything is seen through the lens of the group.

    And this helps explain why the Left has been so easily co-opted by the various "isms" of the past 100 years, as noted and condemned by Big Tent Democrat.  The "isms" have all demanded group loyalty over country loyalty and freedom is only for those who accept that which is approved of by the group.


    no as usual you have it backwards (5.00 / 3) (#102)
    by soccerdad on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 11:11:58 AM EST
    its (what passes for) reason trying to justify hatred.

    Its a racist rant hiding behind the word culture.
    Your reposne is as empty as everything else you post.

    The article places culture above the individual, but thats in keeping with your authosritarian beliefs and blind support for the state. As we have documented here many times you are the kind of person fascist states depend on.

    What you and the rest of your racist friends fear more than anything is the loss of power any dilution of the white protestant culture would bring.

    Your fear has been on display for a long time fear of Muslims fear of Islam, fear of diversity. Because lord knows you wont be able to feel superior without your hate and the primacy your "culture" brings.

    comments such as

    You want only conflict and group identity as a measure of liberty of people within the group

    are utter nonsense and completely backwards, what we want id FREEDOM for individuals, not authoritarian people telling everyone how to conform and when.

    The melting pot occurs naturally with time as has been proven over the centuries here. Your insistance that everyone assimulate at your demand and time tabel is a poor excuse for the racism you continually defend.


    sigh... SD is just so obtuse (1.00 / 2) (#106)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 07:59:35 PM EST
    You may claim to want freedom for the individual, but what you mean is you want freedom for the indvidual who is a member of your group. When the individual leaves the group think the attacks are continual.

    My point remains. Mead's article is a good look at how the American culture blended in with the immigrants so feared by the Klan and produced a culture of excellence. That the Left hates the results only further proves my point that you don't want a melting pot where all share, but a diverese group of minorities that can be controlled by playing them off each other, and giving payoffs to their leaders to keep them in control.

    That is the major difference between what a true liberal is and what a Leftie is.


    You have truly lost your mind (5.00 / 2) (#108)
    by soccerdad on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 08:27:43 PM EST
    You may claim to want freedom for the individual, but what you mean is you want freedom for the indvidual who is a member of your group.

    an absurd claim on its face.
    Projection thy name is ppj.

    You have stopped making any sense whatsoever and have been reduced to throwing stuff against the wall and hoping something sticks.

    That the Left hates the results only further proves my point that you don't want a melting pot where all share

    again simply not true as I stated above. Just keep repeating the same old stuff, since you've lost the argument and apparently your mind.


    What a mishmash (5.00 / 2) (#103)
    by aw on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 11:15:23 AM EST
    celebration of reason over hatred and the melting pot over diversity
    Conformity=good, diversity=bad

    This hatred is exploited and encouraged by the Demo leadership
    You want only conflict and group identity as a measure of liberty
    No conflict=liberty
    the Left's hatred of minorities who leave the Reservation
    In spite of their diversity, they hate everybody.
    The "isms" have all demanded group loyalty over country loyalty
    PPJ's favored group=country

    aw (1.00 / 2) (#107)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 08:05:49 PM EST
    If you want to understand the evils of diversity, just look at the Balkans.

    The Left has made a living off trying to claim that you must obey the God of diversity, with no thought and no understanding.

    I prefer a melting pot that recognizes everyone's rights and freedom as compared to a stew of groups in which the individual is pushed as a member of the group.


    Long day Jim?? (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by Edger on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 08:35:49 PM EST
    a stew of groups in which the individual is pushed as a member of the group?


    You're babbling and making senseless noise, bud. Time for beddy-byes.


    I agree with soccerdad (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by aw on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 09:58:01 PM EST
    It gets harder and harder every day to make any kind of sense of what you're saying.  It sounds like reality and your beliefs are making like bumper cars in your head.

    BTW (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by soccerdad on Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 11:26:41 AM EST
    These kinds of HS debating techniques

    which you appear to not have read

    expose your lack of substance. Your constant substitution of dismissive comments for substance really are tiresome and make clear you lack of depth. BTW, I read the whole article twice and understand it quite well.


    culture (none / 0) (#31)
    by soccerdad on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 04:48:26 PM EST
    is just a fancy way of say "judeo-christian european white"

    You can change the words all you want, try and hide behind hair splitting and being obtuse, but its simply racist.


    SD - Link?? (1.00 / 1) (#50)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 10:21:37 PM EST
    Hmmm, perhaps you could provide a link proving that the dictionary is wrong?

    Oh, I forgot. You are a member of the "words mean what I want to mean" club.


    bs as usual (none / 0) (#53)
    by soccerdad on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 10:56:42 PM EST
    I ve been reading your nonsense for years and know precisely what you mean.

    SD (1.00 / 1) (#62)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 08:44:36 AM EST
    Hmmm. What's this? Another claim to be able to channel?

    Thanks for the grins, SD.


    no simply read (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by soccerdad on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 09:17:15 AM EST
    Here Jim... (none / 0) (#63)
    by Edger on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 09:06:34 AM EST
    ...channel this.

    Intra-cop "courtesy" results in charges (none / 0) (#2)
    by scribe on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 01:23:04 PM EST
    Ahhh.  Cops covering for each other.  We all know it goes on, but here's the fun part - when the blue wall crumbles.  From today's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (I was there, looking in on the reaction to Coach Cowher quitting...):

    Three police officers from different departments are in varying degrees of trouble following a dispute rooted in the blue code -- the age-old tradition of cops covering for one another.

    One is an Allegheny County officer, Tobias Yuhouse, charged with drunken driving on New Year's morning in Versailles, after which police said he was "belligerent and profane."

    Another is his relative, veteran Wilkinsburg Officer Doug Yuhouse, accused of making threats on a recorded line and in person against the arresting officer.

    The third is Versailles Patrolman Fred Hill, who initially tried to let the county officer go as a courtesy to a colleague in blue.

    Now the jobs of the Yuhouses could be in jeopardy and Officer Hill is likely to face some kind of discipline.

    It was a dark, dreary New Year's Eve overnight shift, prime hunting for cops looking for DWI collars:

    Officer Hill said he was on patrol when he saw a car driving in the middle of Walnut Avenue at 3:07 a.m.

    He "... pulled it over."

    When he approached the car, he said in his report, "I smelled an overwhelming odor of alcohol." He said Officer Yuhouse had bloodshot eyes, slurred speech and was "immediately profane and hostile."

    Officer Hill said Officer Yuhouse demanded to know why he was pulled over and said he was a county police officer, showing his police identification to Officer Hill and a McKeesport officer who was assisting him.

    Bad move, that.  One is not supposed to use his police status for special treatment.  But, now, ingratitude makes a bad situation worse:

    When Officer Hill said he would arrange for the officer to get a ride home and not charge him, he said Officer Yuhouse "continued to be very belligerent" and complained that he was always being "harassed" by police and "always being pulled over."


    But when Officer Yuhouse continued to be belligerent, he said, he decided to place him under arrest and administer field sobriety tests. When Officer Yuhouse refused to cooperate, according to the report, Officer Hill and Officer Vahaly handcuffed him and put him in a Versailles patrol car.

    "Defendant was yelling and banging his head off the partition," Officer Hill wrote.

    Amateur.  He forgot the code of the perps he busts - make a show outside the car, so all the street characters watching can see you take no crap from cops.  But, once inside the car, just sit there and stew.  Busting one's head on the car is for punks and poseurs.  Real bad guys know it only leads to more charges and a headache (beyond the hangover).

    Fer instance: I had a neighbor once who, drunk, started such a commotion in his apartment that passers-by in the street called the cops.  He tried to walk out past the cops going upstairs and, when they demanded ID, refused and then told the cops he was going out and didn't care:  "so arrest me".

    Cops rarely refuse such an invitation, and this was not one of those occasions.  They wrestled him into the car where he managed to kick out a window on a rear door, adding a property damage charge to the rest, and making his later plea more difficult to reach.  Meeting his lawyer (the neighbor was charged with assaulting me, of all things), I had the opportunity to help him prepare for his cross of me:  "ask me if I was in fear of injury or assault", I said.  He did, and I answered:  "nahh.  I knew I could take him sober, and he was drunk anyway."  Smiles all around....

    Back to Pittsburgh;  this drunken cop had relatives:  

    Officer Hill said he later was advised by his dispatcher that Doug Yuhouse, whom he said was Tobias' brother, had called dispatch to threaten him.

    In the recorded call, he said Doug Yuhouse told him to meet him on the Boston Bridge, where he planned to retrieve his brother's keys, "and that I better bring somebody with me."

    When the officers met later in a Dollar General parking lot, according to the report, Doug Yuhouse approached Officer Hill with clenched fists, pointed at him and said, "You'll be sorry, [expletive]." Several other officers were present in uniform when that happened.

    Another amateur bad guy:  making threats before an audience of cops.  Just plain stupid, if you ask me.

    Said the police chief: "If it was you, would you have gotten the same courtesy?"

    I kinda doubt it.

    Sorry Jeralyn (none / 0) (#19)
    by Slado on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 03:38:09 PM EST
    Looks like The West Coast is paying the price for the nice weather here in the midwest and east coast.

    Snow in Seattle, 70F in New York City.

    Apparently El Nino is back again and thanks to the jetsream the US is getting both extremes depending on where you live.

    Try to stay warm.

    Cartoons protester found guilty (none / 0) (#38)
    by dutchfox on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 06:30:16 PM EST
    A UK cartoons protester was convicted of "soliciting murder" in London for chanting "bomb Denmark" and "bomb the USA."

    Umran Javed 27, of Birmingham, was also convicted of stirring up racial hatred by a jury at the Old Bailey

    (Makes me wonder: Would there have been a conviction if a white protester had called for the bombing of brown people?)

    The Crown Prosecution Service's Sue Hemming said she was mindful of the rights to free speech when considering cases such as this.

    "However, when we examined the content of Mr Javed's speech it was explicit that there was direct encouragement to those present and those watching via the media to commit acts of murder against the Danish and Americans."

    She said the law was also clear that free speech "should not be misused to insult, abuse or threaten people in such a way that it will stir up racial hatred".

    Friday Toilet Humour (none / 0) (#43)
    by dutchfox on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 07:08:40 PM EST
    Just heard this story online from BBC News: Thief steals urinal from city pub .

    He then stuffed the urinal in a rucksack and left the pub making sure he wiped his fingerprints off the door as he went.

    But his exploits were caught on CCTV and after reviewing the tape landlord Alan Dreja handed it over to police.

    So he handed over the sh*t-stained door (none / 0) (#55)
    by bx58 on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 12:16:10 AM EST
    to the police? As Aarnold would say; dat's the joke!

    Mudfoot Jones is a great album (none / 0) (#57)
    by Dadler on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 01:14:25 AM EST
    Righty or Lefty, we can all agree that The Basement Boys latest "discovery" can certainly shake the house music down to its roots.

    NYT runs another bush episode of (none / 0) (#68)
    by Edger on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 09:28:31 AM EST
    "We planned it this way" in the six year series: "The Edge Of Reality", otherwise known as "What we see in Iraq is exactly what was intended by Bush/Cheney all along.":

    Images of Hanging Make Hussein a Martyr to Many

    BEIRUT, Lebanon, Jan. 5 -- In the week since Saddam Hussein was hanged in an execution steeped in sectarian overtones, his public image in the Arab world, formerly that of a convicted dictator, has undergone a resurgence of admiration and awe.

    On the streets, in newspapers and over the Internet, Mr. Hussein has emerged as a Sunni Arab hero who stood calm and composed as his Shiite executioners tormented and abused him.

    "No one will ever forget the way in which Saddam was executed," President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt remarked in an interview with the Israeli newspaper Yediot Aharonot published Friday and distributed by the official Egyptian news agency. "They turned him into a martyr."
    "God damn America and its spies," a banner across one major Beirut thoroughfare read. "Our condolences to the nation for the assassination of Saddam, and victory to the Iraqi resistance."

    By standing up to the United States and its client government in Baghdad and dying with seeming dignity, Mr. Hussein appears to have been virtually cleansed of his past.
    Just a month ago Mr. Hussein was widely dismissed as a criminal who deserved the death penalty, even if his trial was seen as flawed. Much of the Middle East reacted with a collective shrug when he was found guilty of crimes against humanity in November.
    "The Arab world has been devoid of pride for a long time," said Ahmad Mazin al-Shugairi, who hosts a television show at the Middle East Broadcasting Center that promotes a moderate version of Islam in Saudi Arabia. "The way Saddam acted in court and just before he was executed, with dignity and no fear, struck a chord with Arabs who are desperate for their own leaders to have pride too."

    Ayman Safadi, editor in chief of the independent Jordanian daily Al Ghad, said, "The last image for many was of Saddam taken out of a hole. That has all changed now."
    "Prepare the gun that will avenge Saddam," a poem published in a Saudi newspaper warned. "The criminal who signed the execution order without valid reason cheated us on our celebration day. How beautiful it will be when the bullet goes through the heart of him who betrayed Arabism."

    Bushs' next episode to be shot in Iran...

    pp (none / 0) (#79)
    by jondee on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 12:43:56 PM EST
    You wouldnt know it if it crawled up your small intestine. I wont even address integrity.

    Klansman quotes:1, Jackson quotes:O

    I nominate him (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by aw on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 12:53:20 PM EST
    for a Pullet Surprise.

    Jondee gives (1.00 / 1) (#90)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 02:52:26 PM EST
    More insults and no debate.



    Thye good ole days of hard workin' white people.. (none / 0) (#82)
    by jondee on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 01:10:48 PM EST
    Btw, I noticed Meads links dont work; I wonder why? The Exalted Cyclops must've closed down his site.

    Links working fine. (1.00 / 1) (#84)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 01:46:00 PM EST
    I just checked the link and it is working fine.

    Looks like you are running for cover.


    I wish we were having a snowstorm (none / 0) (#83)
    by aw on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 01:41:19 PM EST
    I have the windows wide open on either side of the xmas tree, a mild breeze blowing in.  This is really weird weather for January in NJ.  It's nearly 70 degrees.

    aw (1.00 / 1) (#86)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 01:46:39 PM EST
    Whoever pays the heating bill proably likes it fine.

    No (none / 0) (#91)
    by aw on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 10:15:46 PM EST
    she'd rather have snow.

    Im cutting and running like all the America haters (none / 0) (#89)
    by jondee on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 01:50:45 PM EST

    Missed this before (none / 0) (#114)
    by jondee on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 01:29:43 PM EST
    "That the Left hates the results" Hate to be the one to tell you this, but "the Left" is one of the results and always has been.

    For someone who likes to link to the Klan, you sure like to throw that H word around.

    Woman... (none / 0) (#115)
    by desertswine on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 05:49:12 PM EST
    3 weeks in a cage = 180k... (none / 0) (#116)
    by kdog on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 06:24:51 PM EST
    Philly got off cheap.  

    Sort of (none / 0) (#117)
    by Edger on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 06:46:39 PM EST
    The best part isn't the money. ;-)

    As part of the settlement, she'll be allowed to meet with the police and ask them how they managed to be so incredibly stupid.


    Hat tip to aw for posting this link the other day (and to Pete for blogging about it)