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Judy Miller Weathers Cross

Team Libby has finished cross-examining Judith Miller. She was stronger today than yesterday and Bill Jeffress did not (in my opinion) make any inroads with her or trip her up. I think that the jury will find her credible.

Bottom Line: She is sure that Scooter Libby was the first to tell her that Joseph Wilson's wife worked for the CIA and that it happened on June 23 and again on July 8. She can't say it with 100% certainty but that's her belief based upon her memory and her notes and she has zero recollection of anyone else telling her.

Libby told investigators and the grand jury he learned of Wilson's wife from Tim Russert on July 10th. He says he was so preoccupied with pressing national issues, he forgot that he first learned of Valerie Wilson from Dick Cheney.

If he was so busy with other matters, why was he having a two hour meeting during the workday with Judith Miller at the St. Regis on July 8?

Fitzgerald redirects, a little bumpy, no big deal. Then the legal wrangling starts over Miller's notes and Libby's Aspen letter to Judy.

Did either side open the door to more evidence coming in? Fitz wants to introduce the Libby Aspens letter to Judy, which he now deems relevant, the Judge isn't convinced. Jeffress now wants access to all of her notes, and the Judge says he'll review them in camera again.

After the lawyers finish, the Judge and the lawyers review questions for the witness from the jury. Some will be asked -- then Judy Miller will be excused.

Next up: Time Magazine reporter Matthew Cooper.

Update: (Cross posted at HuffPo)

The jurors' questions for Judy Miller were pretty on point. Why didn't she call Libby for a waiver before going to jail? Why did she choose to go to jail? Was there a quid pro quo for Libby's agreement to provide her information?

Judy didn't get flustered today. Jeffress didn't hurt her. If she were the only government witness asserting that Libby had talked about Joseph Wilson's wife working for the CIA before July 10, the Government might have a problem. Given her lack of 100% certainty, some jurors might find a reasonable doubt that she was accurately remembering things today. But combined with Ari Fleischer, who also emerged unscathed from Team Libby's cross-examination, and Matthew Cooper, who is on the stand now, her recollection may carry greater weight.

Matt Cooper took the stand just before lunch. I really like Fitzgerald's questioning style. It's crisp, focused and he targets the relevant points, foregoing unnecessary detail.

There was one final surprise this morning concerning notes Libby made of a conversation with Mary Matalin. Since they are still wrangling over whether they will be admitted, I'm not going to spill the beans. But there are some priceless gems in there, so keep your eye out for mainstream media reports and There was one final surprise this morning concerning notes Libby made of a conversation with Mary Matalin. Since they are still wrangling over whether they will be admitted, I'm not going to spill the beans. But there are some priceless gems in there, so keep your eye out for mainstream media reports and check out Laura Rozen's live-blogging at War and Piece and Marcy Wheeler at Daily Kos.

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    note driven memory (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by diogenes on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 03:44:55 PM EST
    Libby should have used as his defense all along that he also has a "note-driven memory" as opposed to a "perjured" one.

    Libby and Miller meeting (2.00 / 2) (#1)
    by LizDexic on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 10:52:00 AM EST
    If he was so busy with other matters, why was he having a two hour meeting during the workday with Judith Miller at the St. Regis on July 8?

    The obvious answer is that they were sleeping with each other.

    The meeting was in the dining room (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 10:59:43 AM EST
    It was also only the second time they had ever met in person. The first was on June 23.  There is not a shred of evidence that they had a personal relationship.

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    Obvious answer (1.00 / 1) (#2)
    by LizDexic on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 10:52:29 AM EST
    UGH!

    Firedoglake (none / 0) (#4)
    by Kitt on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 11:05:31 AM EST
    Can't get into firedoglake!

    Nieither can I (none / 0) (#5)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 11:07:44 AM EST
    Server overload?

    Firedoglake (none / 0) (#6)
    by litigatormom on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 11:16:22 AM EST
    Servers are down.  Emptywheel is continuing her live blog at a "migrant live blog" at Daily Kos.
    dailykos.com.  You should see it on the front page in the right hand column.

    Hmmm - DailyKos next? (none / 0) (#7)
    by sphealey on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 11:23:21 AM EST
    Well, DailyKos is harder to knock down - but it CAN be done!  Hope they were ready for a full-load test over there.

    sPh

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    It seems to be back... (none / 0) (#8)
    by Edger on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 11:52:45 AM EST
    I was just there.

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    if ever there was a case for jury nullification (none / 0) (#9)
    by wumhenry on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 12:18:57 PM EST
     this is it!

    Please explain (none / 0) (#24)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 06:39:17 PM EST
    After all, the testimony reveals that Libby's perjury was one of the least of the crimes being committed in the office of the VP, although his obvious and repeated lies in an effort to save the VP from revealing his real character make it the easiest to prosecute.

    If Cheney takes the stand, he is going to have to invoke his Fifth Amendment rights.

    That will play well in Peoria.

    So why do you think the jury should let Scooter get away with a crime more far more important and egregious than the one Bill Clinton was impeached over?  Nixon was not involved in the burglary, but he was forced out of office for essentially the same thing Scooter is being tried for, obstruction of justice, even though he did not commit the crime that was being investigated.

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    Just asking.. (none / 0) (#10)
    by Patrick on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 12:26:12 PM EST
    I'm not really following, but this jumped out at me.   If Judith Miller can forget a meeting

    she had zero recollection of having met with Libby on June 23, let alone what he told her. Once she reviewed her notes, she regained her independent memory of the meeting, Scooter's demeanor and his disclosures about Joseph and Valerie Wilson.

    Why Does Libby's memory have to be perfect?  

    Libby told investigators and the grand jury he learned of Wilson's wife from Tim Russert on July 10th. He says he was so preoccupied with pressing national issues, he forgot that he first learned of Valerie Wilson from Dick Cheney.


    Patrick (none / 0) (#11)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 12:54:34 PM EST
    Yup. And I can barely muster the interest to follow as well.

    That said, my view is that DC is such a in-bred high-school-like gossip-center that any water-cooler chitchat about minor players like the Wilsons was purely tangential and quickly pushed aside in most people's minds by whateever the latest and much juicier and gossip about much more interesting and powerful people was.

    I'd bet if we were aware of all the probably dozens and dozens of vitally important gvt "secrets" that have become "common knowledge" in DC, we would be appalled.

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    What? You don't want to wait for the whole story? (none / 0) (#13)
    by Kitt on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 01:10:15 PM EST
    Here's one of my favorite 'light' moments. It's a question from a juror to Miller, which is being asked (read) by Judge Reggie Walton - who is presiding this case. (It probably wasn't meant to be funny at all; I just found it so.)

    Walton Have you ever had memory losses like the memory loss you said you had with Libby?


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    Degrees of "memory" trouble (none / 0) (#15)
    by Dadler on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 01:36:18 PM EST
    Judith Miller actually had NOTES of the meeting, which support what her trial testimony turns out to be.  Libby cannot do the same here.  And notes or other testimony or no, it's just not credible to claim you're so busy with your boss's agenda that you would think a reporter told you about Plame first rather than, um, the boss whose agenda your time was so consumed with.

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    Dadler (none / 0) (#17)
    by Patrick on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 02:46:14 PM EST
    Yes she did, but that doesn't change the fact that she had "zero recollection" of the meeting until she reviewed them (her notes).  Hell I forget a lot of things, some of them are even important.  I'm just not getting why one is OK, and the other is somehow malevolent.  

    Disclaimer:  Of course my argument takes place in the vacuum of my ignorance about the case in general.  

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    Why Does Libby's memory have to be perfect? (none / 0) (#21)
    by uh clem on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 03:58:51 PM EST
    That's essentially the argument that the defence is trying to make.  To answer the question:

    Memory doesn't have to be perfect.  But it can't be so preposterous that everybody knows the person in question is fibbing.

    There are at least 8 individuals who are going to testify that they spoke with Libby about Plame before Libby's conversation with Russert. Russert is going to testify that Plame did not come up in their conversation.  Documentary evidence has been provided that shows dealing with Wilson was a priority for Libby, per written orders from his boss.

    So, when Libby claims that the first he heard of it was from Russert, you have to either accept a) that eight people's memory is so faulty as to be dismissible, or b) that Libby is such a scatterbrain that he can have conversations with 8 defferent people about the same thing and not remember any of them or the topic or c) he's lying.

    Use Dr Occam's device.  

    If the entire case depended on Miller, Fitz would have a weak case.  Likewise, if it depended on any one or two witnesses, he'd have a tough time.  With eight (maybe more), the faulty memory defense is going to be a hard sell.

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    Different take on the testimony... (none / 0) (#12)
    by Slado on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 01:04:53 PM EST
    Slado reports, you decide.

    Byron York

    So Jeralyn, do you think the defense is trying to paint a picture that everyone was forgetfull and while Libby may have been mistaken who wasn't?

    Is that the defense strategy?  If not what is it and will it work?

    Thanks,

    Slado

    That would be my strategy (none / 0) (#16)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 01:40:17 PM EST
    as I wrote here at the beginning of the trial,

    The bottom line is Libby is raising two memory defenses at trial. One is Libby saying his own memory is faulty. The other is Libby's claim that the government witnesses' memories are faulty. As Team Libby wrote in his April 12 pleading,

       In a case where the jury will be asked to decide whose memory is accurate and whose statements are not trustworthy, it is perfectly appropriate to use Rule 16 to gather evidence that will tend to suggest that the testimony of certain government witnesses about their conversations with Mr. Libby is not believable. The materiality of such documents is not tied to whether the documents were reviewed by Mr. Libby or whether they describe meetings or conversations in which he took part.

        In a case where it is already manifest that the memories of many witnesses conflict regarding many different conversations, it is not fair to foreclose the possibility that witnesses other than Mr. Libby may be confused or mistaken about relevant events.

    Perhaps Wells would be better off combining his memory defenses and arguing that since the memories of all the witnesses as well as Libby have been shown to be faulty, that alone constitutes a reasonable doubt that anyone could recall events exactly right months or more after they occurred. It may be his best shot at convincing the jury that Libby didn't intentionally lie -- he was just, like the other witnesses, mistaken.



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    Paragraph 5 (none / 0) (#14)
    by Kitt on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 01:16:00 PM EST
    Jeralyn:

    Was Miller's affidavit presented as evidence? Would it?

    It was something Marcy & you referred to yesterday, specifically something to do with 'paragraph 5', on the Politics TV spot - which I must say, I absolutely enjoy.

    Via Kathy posting @ Larisa's at-Largely (none / 0) (#18)
    by Edger on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 02:50:58 PM EST
    Impeachable Offenses Occurred At The Highest Level Of the White House- By Robert Scheer Posted by Kathy

    Rober Scheer writes a very powerful piece at Truthdig today:

    A Case for Impeachment
    By Robert Scheer

    The Libby case testimony, centered on the chicanery of the vice president, certainly suggests that impeachable offenses occurred at the highest level of the White House. Just how conscious the president was of the deceits conducted under his authority, what he knew and when he knew it, is precisely what an impeachment trial would determine.
    ...


    The problem with Byron York's article is that he says with great conviction that "the witness's memory is so selective, or so flawed, or so sketchy as to render his or her testimony useless."  He devotes most of his article to the defense cross examination.

    But then when he starts to talk about the jury's impression he hedges his bets.  And he does not cite the questions the jury has been asking.

    If Mr. York is so sure that the prosecution's witnesses are so shaky then he should say that he is convinced that all jurors will vote to declare Libby innocent.

    York... (none / 0) (#25)
    by Slado on Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 02:03:40 PM EST
    Agree'd that York is obviousy biased towards Mr. Libby, I only offered it as another point of veiw.

    However I don't buy that he should be held to a atandard that if he isn't convinced that Libby will aquitted his points are less valid.

    Doesn't the OJ trial proove that a jury is capable of anything and ultimately we can never predict what will happen when deliberations start?

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    Judy weathers cross (none / 0) (#22)
    by squeaky on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 04:00:47 PM EST
    Great pun Jeralyn! (intentional or not) fits right in with both her nicknames: Martyr and Matress.

    Judith Miller, a journalist? (none / 0) (#23)
    by caramel on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 04:17:12 PM EST
    You must be kidding, the woman is an insult to the profession and on top of that she has no guts, what a wonderful model all around... It's a pathetic situation to say the least.

    Is this true? (none / 0) (#26)
    by Deconstructionist on Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 03:01:24 PM EST
      I read in one account that among the juror questions Walton asked miller was:

      "Is this your standard method of archiving?"

      (Referring to her testimony that she forgor the 6/23 meeting with Libby until she found her notes in a shopping bag under her desk)

      Hard to say what that means for Libby, but it is funny as hell if true.

    The point of Miller going to jail? (none / 0) (#27)
    by sphealey on Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 03:07:42 PM EST
    Following FBI agent Bond's testimony today, I have a harder time than ever understanding what Ms. Miller thought she was protecting by going to jail.  I don't see any big First Amendment issues in the questions she would have had to answer to verify what the FBI agent had learned from interviewing Libby.

    sPh