Keith Ellison Reacts to Virgil Goode's Muslim Comments

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2006
Posted on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 05:13:57 PM EST
Tags: Keith Ellison, Virgil Goode (all tags)

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As a follow-up to TChris' post here, Wolf Blitzer had newly elected Congressman Keith Ellison on the Situation Room this afternoon.

Background:

In a letter released to CNN Wednesday, Goode wrote in part to a constituent, "I do not subscribe to using the Koran in any way. The Muslim representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district and if American citizens don't wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran."

Ellison's response: Goode "has a lot to learn about Islam."

"I would urge Congressman Goode to have his congregation reach out to a synagogue or a mosque and start some inter-faith dialogue so we can increase understanding among each other as American of different faiths," Ellison said.

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Whatever happened to treating people (5.00 / 1) (#3)
by Kitt on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 06:09:35 PM EST

like you want to be treated? When did being a christian become synonymous with being a jackass to people and SO freakin' intolerant?

So, it's going to take a Muslim to 'teach' them how to behave "Christlike."

As for Mr. Ellison....you're more kind than I.

: translation: (none / 0) (#4)
by squeaky on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 06:15:45 PM EST

like you want to be treated?
They mean being treated by other christianists. When it comes to Moslems, anything goes.

: It still is followed (none / 0) (#5)
by Edger on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 06:48:52 PM EST

by real christians. Just not by the fakers.

Flip (1.00 / 2) (#8)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 07:32:55 PM EST

If the Congressman from MN would renounce CAIR he would certainly have my attention.

As it is I see him as the flip side of Goode.

So (5.00 / 1) (#17)
by scarshapedstar on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 09:50:39 PM EST

When, exactly, did Ellison attack Goode? Since he's the mirror image and all.


As I'm sure you'll get some attention when (none / 0) (#9)
by Edger on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 07:41:14 PM EST

you renounce the KKK.


Next (none / 0) (#13)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 09:03:54 PM EST

Glad to.

Your turn.

Renounce the ACLU?


1) That's a start. (none / 0) (#15)
by Edger on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 09:22:30 PM EST

No. I have no need to. It's not a racist org.
Now. Let's hear you renounce goodes racism.

Islam is a religion (none / 0) (#19)
by Wile ECoyote on Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 05:07:22 AM EST

not a race. I've seen european, african, east asian and west asian followers of islam.


Wile, I thought you were too smart (none / 0) (#20)
by Edger on Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 06:35:38 AM EST

to walk into that. Sigh.

goode: "if American citizens don't wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran"

"Islam" is a religion. "Moslem" is an alternative spelling of "Muslim", a follower of "Islam".

I think you'll find that most followers of Islam are members of non-white races.

Semantics. Goode expresses racism and bigotry.

It's a major part of who he is, and of anyone who excuses or supports him.

Watch your step.


: he's not necessarily a racist ... (none / 0) (#36)
by Sailor on Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 10:59:15 AM EST

... just a christofascist.

edger - Islam is not a race. (none / 0) (#21)
by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 08:40:50 AM EST

It is a religion that is highly intolerant of Jews and other non-believers, declares war frequently on people because they don't believe and currently has a large number of radicals that have declared war on the west.

As for why you should renounce the ACLU, Big Tent Democrat made a very strong point in a post a few inches below.

Yes, pragmatism. For what defines a liberal is not the program or policy that is implemented, but rather the result reached. Indeed, it becomes, in some cases, a fatal flaw. Consider the romance with left wing totalitarian regimes like the former Soviet Union prior to 1950 and the continuing romance with Castro's Cuba. We lliberal love our goals - equality, egalitarianism, economic and racial justice and where our goals our mouthed by an ideology, we are more tolerant. We should not be.

I supported the ACLU for years. I think it has now went over the edge in many of its efforts, existing only to exist and in many cases its actions have become counterproductive to the goals all liberals should have.

Yes edger, the road to hell can be paved with good intentions and sometimes groups that helped in the past can hurt in the present.


Dude, the ACLU defended Nazis... (5.00 / 1) (#49)
by Dadler on Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 01:48:18 PM EST

...decades ago. They are what you constantly harp about being in the abstract, a socially liberal organization that defends whom it defends even when that defense puts them in a very difficult and scrutinized position, putting something tangible on the line in the defense of higher prinicples.

That's what we all aspire to be, able to stand up for what we believe in when doing so actually comes with some risk. The easy choice is not what the ACLU is about. For that I'd expect you to have at least a measure of respect.


Lately, I've noticed (5.00 / 1) (#56)
by scarshapedstar on Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 03:54:03 PM EST

Jim seems to be dropping the "social liberal" facade.

Shades of Impostor...

(not to mention Tireless Rebutter, Artful Dodger, and Troglodyte...


: One more... (5.00 / 1) (#73)
by Ernesto Del Mundo on Mon Dec 25, 2006 at 09:16:38 AM EST

Stone Deaf

: Troglodyte (none / 0) (#58)
by squeaky on Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 07:08:57 PM EST

characterizes as "conservative" or "libertarian", but which could be more accurately described as "bigoted narcissism".
lol

Race? (none / 0) (#23)
by squeaky on Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 09:28:51 AM EST

Race is a term that is made up by racists who believe that they are genetically better than others who they ascribe a 'race' to.

People who quickly jump to correct the usage of the word are usually also racists. The tip off is that they never follow with: 'didn't you mean bigotry?'

What 'race' are ppj? Prove it.

BTW- there are more christianists that want to see people dead than moslems, both today and throught history. There are more christiansts that hate than moslems, yes today ppj, just look in the mirror.

There must be some joy in the bedwetter fantasy. Seems a bit silly to me but, different strokes...


squeaky, I see that you have engaged in (1.00 / 1) (#25)
by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 09:46:09 AM EST

the old trick of wanting to define words for what you want them to mean, rather than what the dictionary says.

racism - : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

The belief in Islam clearly is not a race.

Now, if you want to call Goode a bigot, have at it.

bigot - : person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

But, by definition he isn't a racist.

And by calling him one you display your own biases and reduce your argument because of its inaccuracy.


hahahahaha (none / 0) (#26)
by squeaky on Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 09:49:53 AM EST

er...that is until someone calls them on it. Never fails.

hahahahah


The question, Jim.... (none / 0) (#27)
by Edger on Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 09:52:03 AM EST

Semantic games, Jim.

Afraid of the question, Jim?


squeaky (none / 0) (#35)
by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 10:52:23 AM EST

Why are you trying to change the meaning of "racism?"

Either you have an agenda or you are intelligent enough to understand the correct usage.

Your choice on the question's answer.


: OK how about this: (none / 0) (#60)
by squeaky on Sat Dec 23, 2006 at 11:53:13 AM EST

Do you agree with Goode's racist and bigoted remarks on immigration. I think you do. If so:
Are there too many Moslems in this country? If so how many are too many.

You're reduced to trolling (none / 0) (#24)
by Edger on Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 09:29:04 AM EST

and attempting to hijack the thread.

Do you support or do you denounce Goode's racism and bigotry?

I already know the answer, btw - I just want to see you avoid the question one more time. Just so we're completely clear on this, you know.

Stand up for yourself Jim. If you can.


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