home

Are Houston Cops Over-Using Stun Guns Against Blacks?

There's a debate taking shape in Houston. Are the cops disproportionately using stun guns against African-Americans?

[Houston] officers are facing a new question: Are they using the high-voltage Taser -- what police call a less-than-lethal "intermediary" weapon -- indiscriminately against black suspects? The recent arrest and use of a Taser against a black professional football player has once again put the police department of the nation's fourth-largest city under scrutiny.

...Police data show that in almost 1,000 Taser deployments since December 2004, 63 percent of the suspects were black. Houston's population of 1.95 million is 25 percent black.

You do the math.

< NYT: Murdoch Fired Judith Regan Over Anti-Semitic Comments | 33 More Guantanamo Detainees Sent Home >
  • The Online Magazine with Liberal coverage of crime-related political and injustice news

  • Contribute To TalkLeft


  • Display: Sort:
    Does a bear s**t in the woods? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Che's Lounge on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 10:05:44 AM EST


    This ain't your father's discrimination anymore. (none / 0) (#2)
    by Bill Arnett on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 12:31:13 PM EST


    News (none / 0) (#3)
    by jondee on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 12:53:31 PM EST
    As I recall, they had a bit of a problem over-using handguns and their own homegrown version of waterboarding, back in the late seventies.

    Irellevant data (none / 0) (#4)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 01:10:57 PM EST
    ...Police data show that in almost 1,000 Taser deployments since December 2004, 63 percent of the suspects were black. Houston's population of 1.95 million is 25 percent black.

    You do the math.

    Tasering may well be racially-biased in Houston, but Houston's population data is irrelevant.

    Tasers were deployed just under 1,000 times over the past two years -- against one-half of 1 percent of suspects arrested -- and half the people arrested in that period were black.

    That's much more relevant.

    Even more relevant is a breakdown, racially, of those arrestees who resist arrest, or do whatever it is that triggers the use of tasers (assuming race is not "the" trigger).

    The race of the officers doing the tasering would probably be relevant as well.

    iow, why not wait for the results of the independent study and relevant data analysis instead of making uninformed accusations based on nothing but irrelevant info and emotion?

    Because (none / 0) (#6)
    by Patrick on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 01:35:55 PM EST
    iow, why not wait for the results of the independent study and relevant data analysis instead of making uninformed accusations based on nothing but irrelevant info and emotion?

    The results may not bear out the emotion....Why lose the momentum?

    Parent

    What study? (none / 0) (#7)
    by Sailor on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 03:13:58 PM EST
    No one said there would be a study, they're just asking for one.

    So far we just have cops' saying they don't abuse it.

    Parent

    Sailor (none / 0) (#8)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 03:20:29 PM EST
    Good point. I'd only skimmed articles like this one, all saying Houston's mayor is calling for an independent study of its taser use, but realize now they weren't saying whether the city will actually follow through on it or not...

    Parent
    I would think (none / 0) (#11)
    by Patrick on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 04:00:09 PM EST
    The Mayor of Houston has enough juice to get a study if he wants one.  

    Parent
    It seems that cops (none / 0) (#5)
    by peacrevol on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 01:33:26 PM EST
    all over the country are getting a little to trigger happy with stun guns. However, the article's reference to the football player, I suspect, may not be that good of an example. I suspect that the professional football player mentioned in the quote
    The recent arrest and use of a Taser against a black professional football player has once again put the police department of the nation's fourth-largest city under scrutiny.

    might not be that good of an example. If they're talking about the football player that I'm thinking of, then it is most likely off base. A certain football player who was on the Bengals' football team was arrested in Houston in November for shoving an off duty cop and posessing some drugs. I dont know all of the details of the arrest, but if he was tased during the struggle, then I cant really blame the cop. This guy is pretty big and extremely athletic. He runs a 4.36 40-yard dash, which is very fast even for a NFL football player. He's also 6'2" 210lbs. If he's putting up a fight, he can hurt you and get away from you faster than anyone else you've ever tried to take down. It may have been justified in that case. Does anyone have a link to the specific case or a description of the circumstance?

    The obvious question? (none / 0) (#9)
    by Slado on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 03:27:10 PM EST
    What is the percentage blacks that are arrested as compared to their population?

    I would imagine it is also more.

    It is not fair to crticize the police based on one statistic when you ignore the obvious.

    If the fact that blacks are more likely to be arrested compared to their percentage of population then it seems reasonable that they are more likely to be tasered by simple math.

    I could be wrong.

    Slado (none / 0) (#10)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 03:55:49 PM EST
    From the above data, blacks are ~25% of population and make up ~50% of arrestees, yet they make up about 63% of tasered arrestees.

    In a convenient and easy world, if 50% of the arrestees were black, then black tasered arrestees would be the same 50%.

    It would be interesting to learn from an independent study if the extra ~13% is statistically valid and, if so, what the actual reasons for the extra 13% are...

    The real question (none / 0) (#13)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 06:03:18 PM EST

    The real question is what percentage are resisting arrest.  If say, 70% of arrested blacks are resisting, then the 63% figure may well indicate underutilization against blacks.

    You forgot about Katrina (none / 0) (#14)
    by Discovery on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 06:17:50 PM EST
    All of this data is skewed in Houston - it includes data arrests from Katrina evacuees.

    When the third largest city in the US, Houston, experiences an almost 30% increase in crime after its population grows 10% overnight with 200,000 black evacuees from New Orleans's high crime 9th ward - it is a matter of simple numbers that you are going to have and increase in black arrests over that time frame.  

    You relocated a large number of blacks with a statistically high crime rate into another city - yes your arrests are going up.   Similarly - the "population" data for percentages of black living in Houston does not account for the 10% increase in population.

    I am not saying that there isn't a problem - but using Houston arrests post Katrina against population data pre Katrina to prove an increase
    in arrests rates is not valid. If the numbers are real - then you should be able to find it in another city that did not experience the largest instantaneous relocation events in US History.

    On a personal note - I have lived in Houston for eight years - and crime has gone up significantly on the streets I live in since Katrina.  It is very noticeable.  Since Katrina there has been two drive by's and two murders within a few blocks of my house and my car vandalized - and I live in a very nice area that experienced almost NO violent crime in the past eight years.  And one of those arrested for the crimes near my home from New Orleans.  

    There are areas of town where that are being completely reshaped by the recent spikes in crime.  The problem is - they aren't making enough arrests and very nice parts of Houston are being dragged down and starting to look like crime infested back-street New Orleans.

    Play all the numbers and race cards you want - one fact remains the surge in crime is very real.


    FYI, I have faced ARMED 6'4", 330lb... (none / 0) (#16)
    by Bill Arnett on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 02:14:59 PM EST
    ...football players long before stun guns and Tasers had ever been invented. They can be rendered unconscious as easily as anyone else and, thus, be no more difficult to deal with than any other offender.

    However, I will happily forward your clearly bigoted remarks to Jeralyn and the decision to ban you or not resides with her.

    Too many people think resisting arrest... (none / 0) (#17)
    by Bill Arnett on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 02:30:01 PM EST
    ...gives them police carte blanche to Taser and stun gun away at will.

    This is not true or LE training is no longer the same as when I was a cop, and I worked under much more precarious circumstances that police here in the States.

    There are too many efficient, tried, and proven methods to take down a suspect, some of them centuries old, that any GROUP of police using stun guns or Tasers should receive blanket condemnation and re-training.

    A SINGLE officer may justify using such things, but we worked in teams of just two men in a radical military town, "flying high and with no net" teaches you much about yourself.

    Pancho's comment was deleted (none / 0) (#18)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 04:51:12 PM EST
    as being racist. He is warned. Future violations will result in him being banned from the site and having all past comments deleted.

    The real truth, You'll never know ! (none / 0) (#19)
    by Trooper1722 on Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 11:50:24 AM EST
    The real figures are not nor will ever be published. It is my understanding from unpublished reports that, Perpetrates being Black & Hispanic are responsible for 91% of the crime in Harris County. Of which less the 38% are ever arrested. The people of Houston & Harris County have no idea nor has it ever come to light in the news. Each day you hear about 6 or 8 different crimes and arrests that have been made the night before. What you do hear are reports of how busy and how short handed HPD & the Sheriff's Department are along with many calls handled by each officer, keeping him tied up so that his response time to the next call is 30 minutes to a couple of hours? Let us think about it. Between HPD, DPS, the Sheriff's Department and the Constables we have over 1000 officers on the street every day covering 3 shifts, and they are all busy with calls. So this means what we have over 1000 crimes per day if each officers only handles one call per shift. Which we know is not true at all. There are many more, but many get written as criminal mischief. I am privy to a location broken into 6 times within 5 months, even had a 1000 lb. safe stolen which is written as criminal mischief. As I said the real figures will never come to light. The people of this county need to stand and demand their Law Enforcement Departments get in gear and do their job because they are not. There are officers on calls that will sit a block away watch until the criminals leave a location then pull up to write the criminal mischief report. Their answer is "for the money I am paid I am not about to put my life on the line". My opinion for any amount of money they will still refuse to do their job. Needless to say do we hear the news reports about that 1000 plus crimes per day? NO. How about the total number of reports written? NO. I have a few more years and I am retiring, and I am out of here. The smart better follow, it's going to get really bad. Talk doesn't cut it any longer.