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Late Night: CSN "Immigration Man"

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Posted on Fri May 18, 2007 at 12:51:00 AM EST
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Great photos accompany this video of Crosby Stills and Nash's "Immigration Man."

Let me in, Immigration Man.

No Human is Illegal.

[This is a repeat of a post from Dec. 2006]

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    Late Night: CSN "Immigration Man" | 17 comments (17 topical)

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    Amen TL..... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 08:20:59 AM EST
    No human being is illegal....that just says it all doesn't it....in 5 words.

    We are all, first and foremost, citizens of planet earth.  We are all born into this blue/green orb....roaming the orb cannot be a crime.  Yes, I realize this is a radical concept when taken in the context of our current social constructs.

    I'm still waiting (none / 0) (#4)
    by Pancho on Thu May 17, 2007 at 11:52:42 PM EST
    for one of you to admit that you are for open borders.  Is there any limit to who we let into our country?

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    kdog (none / 0) (#10)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri May 18, 2007 at 12:00:55 PM EST
    What time do we meet around the campfire???

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    You can bring the weenies, (none / 0) (#11)
    by nolo on Fri May 18, 2007 at 12:17:55 PM EST
    ppj.

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    nolo (none / 0) (#12)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri May 18, 2007 at 01:24:02 PM EST
    Promise me you try and take them??

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    I promise (none / 0) (#13)
    by nolo on Fri May 18, 2007 at 01:34:26 PM EST
    to try to roast them over an open fire.

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    nolo (none / 0) (#14)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri May 18, 2007 at 09:56:20 PM EST
    The operative word is "try."

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    1 of my grandparents (2.66 / 3) (#5)
    by Deconstructionist on Fri May 18, 2007 at 08:08:51 AM EST
     and all of my great-grandparents were immigrants to this country. No one in my family was here before 1896. Beyond the fact I would not even  exist but for immigration,  the benefit to my family has been immense, and I very much want to see more people given the opportunity my family has received.

      That said, I find it offensive and dishonest to resort to banal slogans and absurd propositions to support immigration reform. My ancestors did not claim any God-given right or other right  to come here; they were immensely grateful for the  privilege  of doing so.

      I believe we SHOULD reform our immigration policies and make it easier for more people to gain LEGAL status here. That in no way means that anyone has a right to immigrate to our country or that we have an obligation to allow it. It's an act of grace we should bestow more freely but it's not something that can or should be demanded.

      "No Human Is Illegal" is meaningless drivel. By definition people are not illegal,  but their acts  or omissions often are. the idea that we have no right to control travel to and reidence in this country is beyond absurd and framing the debate in such terms is counter-productive because it is so obviously a bad idea.

      Let's focus on fair and rational policies that expand opportunity and leave the nonsensical slogans and foolish ideas out of it.
     

    Wow (none / 0) (#1)
    by squeaky on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 12:02:50 AM EST
    They were/are amazing.

    The illegals refrain: (none / 0) (#2)
    by fafnir on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 04:10:45 AM EST
    Yeah, let me in immigration man.

    So that I can lower the wages of your working poor.

    Raise the taxes of your middle class.

    And steal the identity of your native born.

    Nobody is (none / 0) (#18)
    by kdog on Sat May 19, 2007 at 08:27:33 AM EST
    stealing my identity...what does that even mean?

    I am who I am and you are who you are...regardless of who is walking across an imaginary line at any given time.

    Governments raise taxes, not immigrants.

    Employers pay wages, not immigrants.

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    Repeat and repeat (none / 0) (#6)
    by squeaky on Fri May 18, 2007 at 08:41:00 AM EST
    By definition people are not illegal
    Good Deconstructionist, now just write it another 200 times for it to sink in, and it won't sound like a silly slogan anymore.

    Cheers (none / 0) (#8)
    by squeaky on Fri May 18, 2007 at 09:09:06 AM EST
    No person is illegal. Guess you have it by now.

    "Out of Job US Working Man" (none / 0) (#9)
    by fairleft on Fri May 18, 2007 at 09:11:58 AM EST
    because the corporations would rather hire cheap foreign labor. Coming to your authentically leftist record store soon.

    Illegals are a handy scape goat. (none / 0) (#15)
    by Mike Mid City on Sat May 19, 2007 at 12:18:07 AM EST
    Well it used to be the Irish and Eyetailans.  Then the Jew and the black folks.  It's a new day and century and now it's illegal Mexicans.

    Would all you people get off the backs of the working poor.  It's the rich who are screwing the country, ask the Bush crime family.

    By the way..... what if we setup recruiting stations in Mexico City and pimp off citizenship for an enlistment?   Better yet, just this side of the hole in the Boeing Fence on the border to catch the motivated.  

    Photos (none / 0) (#16)
    by bernarda on Sat May 19, 2007 at 05:56:17 AM EST
    All the pictures were not great. It was completely dishonest to use the picture of Cuban Elian, a boy who was kidnapped by relatives and rescued by law enforcement and returned to his father.

    That had nothing to do with immigration. But of course fascist Cuban immigrants in Florida are rarely if ever charged in such cases or even in terrorism cases. (and I am not saying "all" are fascist, before some ignoramus decides to get on my case)

    The fascist/mafia component of the Cuban community has carried out various terrorist attacks both in Cuba and the U.S., but not only are they ignored by the government, they are often encouraged.

    The Luis Posada Carilles case is an example, one among many.

    "The relatively gentle handling of Posada and other right-wing Cubans connected to terrorist acts against the communist government of Fidel Castro is in marked contrast to George W. Bush's harsh treatment of Islamic militants captured during the "global war on terror."

    While suspected Islamic terrorists are locked away indefinitely at the U.S. military base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and can undergo "alternative interrogation techniques," Posada has been afforded all U.S. legal protections and then some.

    Bush has refused to extradite Posada to Venezuela or Cuba, where he is sought on other terrorism charges for masterminding the 1976 mid-air bombing of a Cubana Airliner killing all 73 people on board, including the young Cuban national fencing team."

    http://baltimorechronicle.com/2007/050807Parry.shtml

    These are Bush's kind of guys.

    humans are not illegal (none / 0) (#17)
    by cpinva on Sat May 19, 2007 at 07:09:40 AM EST
    they do, however, commit illegal acts. one of those is coming into this country without following the laws of this country. once they've done so, everything that follows is, by definition, an extension of that initial illegal act, and is itself illegal. the "fruit of the poisonous tree" theory.

    if you can't be bothered to follow the rules to begin with, why should i reasonably expect that you'll follow them in the future?

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