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Via digby, a former speechwriter for President Bush writes:

I have also grown to hate certain people of genuine accomplishment like Ted Turner, who, by his own contention, cannot make up his mind which side of the terror war he is on; I hate the executives at CNN, Turner's intellectual progeny, who recently carried water for our enemies by broadcasting their propaganda film portraying their attempts to kill American soldiers in Iraq.

I now hate Howard Dean, the elected leader of the Democrats, who, by repeatedly stating his conviction that we won't win in Iraq, bets his party's future on our nation's defeat.

I hate the Democrats who, in support of this strategy, spout lie after lie: that the president knew in advance there were no WMD in Iraq; that he lied to Congress to gain its support for military action; that he pushed for the democratization of Iraq only after the failure to find WMD; that he was a unilateralist and that the coalition was a fraud; that he shunned diplomacy in favor of war.

Stunning delusion fueling the paranoid tribalism classically described by Richard Hofstadter.

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    hmmmmmmmmmmm, was this written................. (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by cpinva on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 12:11:29 PM EST
    from his padded cell? clearly, this person has drunk deeply of the current batch of bush republican koolaid.

    in truth, i didn't like bush even before his folly in iraq. give the man his due, he's been consistently incompetent throughout his entire life, public and private.

    were he from a middle class family, he'd have attended a local community college, and be in the management trainee program for burger king or something.

    instead, because of family money and connections, he's risen well beyond his maximum level of competence, and is in position to cause the maiming and death of thousands, possibly millions.

    how's that for a halloween thought?

    give the man his due (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Edger on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 01:06:49 PM EST
    Were he from a middle class family, he'd probably be staggering through an alley somewhere with nothing but a bottle of cheap wine to keep him warm and help him forget his string of failures, or in prison, or dead by now.

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    pot meet kettles (1.00 / 0) (#3)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 01:13:06 PM EST
    cpina and edger - Kettles meet pot.

    And thank you for making his point.

    btw Edger, I have asked his before... since you think Bush is successful only because of his connections why aren't you in that alley???

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    why aren't you in that alley??? (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Edger on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 01:26:24 PM EST
    I've answered this before.

    My IQ isn't low enough.

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    I'm not in that alley (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 02:42:50 PM EST
    since you think Bush is successful only because of his connections why aren't you in that alley???

    I had no family connections, so I had to use my own ability to make my mark in the world.  Because I actually HAVE some above-average abilities, I was able to do so.

    Where do you think GWB would be today if he had been born into the same ordinary circumstances I was, and had to depend on his own abilites?  

    Do you think he could have found a buyer who wouldn't complain about paying $833,000 for worthless Harken stock, or that he would have been invited to buy into the Texas Rangers with what amounted to chump change?  Do you think he would have been invited to be on the board of Harken in the first place had his name been, say, PPJ?

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    Boo hoo...boo hoo...waaaah! (none / 0) (#6)
    by Gabriel Malor on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 03:16:39 PM EST
    Mommy, how come some people have more chances than me? Why did God hate me so much that I was born into the middle class? Why isn't it fair?!?  ::sob::

    When I grow up I guess I'll just have to drag everyone down to make us all equal. And then I'll disbelieve in God--yeah, that'll show Him. And then we'll force everyone to treat everyone else like there are no differences in the world. Wealth, intelligence, and determination will mean nothing! Rich people won't be allowed to spend their money! Smart people will get no better opportunities than dumb people! Hard workers will be treated no different than lazy people! In fact, fathers will be forbidden from helping their children, too. It will be perfect!!!

    /sarcasm

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    You figure it out... (none / 0) (#7)
    by Edger on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 03:23:20 PM EST
    There really isn't a point you can't or won't miss, is there?

    (/unsarcasm)

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    Be the change you want to see in the world... (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 04:32:01 PM EST
    Gabe, I see that you think like most Republicans do. You have swallowed the the Great American Myth, pits and all, and belched forth the standard reply about the Natural Order of Things. If you actually think past the belief that Bush ever worked hard in his life, you will find that you are defending a guy that went AWOL after using his family connections to dodge combat in Vietnam. A guy that was bailed out of failure several times by Saudi money and American money, for the only reason that those who bailed him out saw a certain potential...not that he was capable of succeeding at any business mind you, but to use him to carry water for them at some future time. An asset, to be held in one's back pocket for any number of years until the opportunity presented itself. Of course, you and other Republicans see that as the American Way. Excuse us as seeing this in a different light, specifically, the way of business used by organized crime kingpins.  

    As for me, I don't see hard work being rewarded by the working poor. Do you? All I see is increasing poverty and massive corruption at the executive level going largely unpunished. Is that the country that you are comfortable with?


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    No sympathy for incompetents (none / 0) (#10)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 06:20:40 PM EST
    Mommy, how come some people have more chances than me? Why did God hate me so much that I was born into the middle class? Why isn't it fair?!?

    I have no sympathy for your whining.  I was born into middle-class circumstances, apparently no different from those that you are complaining about, and I have been successful because I worked hard and developed abilities that people pay me $80-$100/hr to use.

    It must really suck to be you.  Is it too late to suggest that you try working at something, or have you given up?

    When I grow up

    Just for laughs, how long have you been attempting to grow up?

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    xx (1.00 / 0) (#12)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 06:52:18 PM EST
    Repack - Gee. I guess no one else ever pulled themselves up by their boot straps.

    Edger - Bragging about your lack of IQ?? Well, they say if you can do it, it aint bragging.

    Ernesto - You keep spewing the same old tired proven wrong bs that the rest of the world knows is just that, bs. No proof, just claims.

    I would think the Demos attempt at an October surprise during '04 would tell such super smart people that lies don't work well in the Internet age.

       I think the following sums it up.

    THE PROBLEM IS THAT this is what millions of people really think -- if indeed what they do can be called "thinking." They truly believe, perhaps as a form of mass psychosis, that those of us on the Right aren't just mistaken, that we don't honestly disagree with them, but that we're evil, vicious, proto-totalitarians. Which, of course, apparently gives them the right to spew all sorts of tommyrot such as Ms. O'Connor's expressed opinion that President George W. Bush is a "sociopath" and Vice President Dick Cheney is "Satan." Referring to the current administration, she writes: "The worst people on Earth are running the Earth."

    Do she and her ilk really believe this? Do they truly believe that Bush is worse than Muammar Qaddafi or Kim Jong-Il? Do they even bother to listen to themselves, much less apply rational analysis to their beliefs? Are they utterly ignorant of history? On what basis do they believe what they believe?



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    Especially for the slow learners. (none / 0) (#13)
    by Edger on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 07:39:15 PM EST
    Now, Gabriel.

    The above post should illustrate a point you can't miss, if you're familiar with Bush and the republicans insulting their base with the assumption they are so stupid they'll fall for any tactics, believe any propaganda, no matter how far distanced from reality. Some to the point that they repeat the programming, not realizing how transparent they are.

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    Bootstraps? (none / 0) (#17)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 08:00:20 PM EST
    I guess no one else ever pulled themselves up by their boot straps.

    I'm not complaining, so direct your comment at the one who was, Gabriel Malor.

    Plenty of people have pulled themselves upward, despite Gabriel's whining about the unfairness of it all. Bill Clinton was born into modest circumstances, and he became a Rhodes Scholar and President of the United States.

    This discussion is about the fact that George W. Bush, had he not been born into a rich and powerful family, did not have the innate ability to become anyone important.  Bush represents the "Peter Principle" on steroids.  Instead of being accountable, he was rescued from every one of his failures by an infusion of money from an anonymous source, so his upward trajectory far outstripped his meager abilities.

    Don't you wish YOU could depend on being rescued from every failure?  What do you suppose the people who gave George free money whenever he needed it got for doing so?  Why did Tom Hicks give George $12M that he hadn't earned?  Why do you suppose the SEC failed to investigate the VP's son when he used insider information to dump his Harken stock?  Why do you suppose the person who took an $833,000 bath by buying George's stock didn't complain?

    Unfortunately, there is no one who can rescue Bush from his failure as president.

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    Dictators? (none / 0) (#21)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 08:22:36 PM EST
    Do they truly believe that Bush is worse than Muammar Qaddafi or Kim Jong-Il?

    His lack of respect for the Constitution, and his statements on several occasions that he would prefer being a dictator, suggest strongly that were he in a situation where he could get away with what they do, he would be their equal.  He is doing his best to remove the Constitutional protections that keep us from becoming a dictatorship.

    In my opinion Bush is certainly a sociopath, which is a person who does not feel empathy.  This is a guy who enjoys hearing about prisoners being tortured. This is a guy who made jokes about a prisoner who had been sentenced to death.  This is a guy who tortured small animals when he was a kid.  This is a guy who does not care to be held accountable for anything he has done.  How much more info do you need?

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    Wow, that's cute! (none / 0) (#25)
    by Officious Pedant on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 08:53:54 PM EST
    This is an interesting response, but I must have missed something:

    Repack - Gee. I guess no one else ever pulled themselves up by their boot straps.

    Where has the President shown the aptitude, far less the interest, in pulling himself up by his bootstraps? No question he has little compunction trying to convince the working poor and lower middle class that working two or three jobs to tread water is an American value, never having done it, but that is par for the man.

    And this little gem is almost pure in its ignorance. Perhaps the Spectator misses the point, as do so many who falsely label themselves conservative:

    Do she and her ilk really believe this? Do they truly believe that Bush is worse than Muammar Qaddafi or Kim Jong-Il? Do they even bother to listen to themselves, much less apply rational analysis to their beliefs? Are they utterly ignorant of history? On what basis do they believe what they believe?

    As if the argument that we are somehow better than the worst, is an argument at all. We expect these people (dictators of so many stripes) to abuse their populace by depriving them of rights, stripping the treasury for purposes of vanity, pit their military against foes, real or imagined, with no understanding of the consequences, and to posture to the world in defense of their insanity. It's a whole other issue when the President of the US does it. Someone should probably break it to the poor man that when you convict a whole region of the world for the actions of a few, legalize their indefinite imprisonment (complete with authorization of "vigorous interrogation"/torture, and debate over its efficacy), and attack opponents as supporters of terrorism or traitors, you lose your assumed moral standing and stack up fairly well with the likes of Amin, Hussein, and others.

    Think about it. We attacked a country that didn't attack us, hell, couldn't attack us, and killed tens of thousands of innocent people. That by Bush's own statement. And, once the mistake is realized, but there is a government and Constitution, is willing to kill still more in the ephemeral hope that he can somehow stop the violence with more violence.

    So, is it the body counts that have to match, or what?

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    Re: No sympathy for ?????? (none / 0) (#11)
    by Edger on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 06:42:12 PM EST
    Repack, it's hard for some of the wingers to grow up, I think. Especially for the slow learners.

    :-\

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    Please note the /sarcasm tag. (none / 0) (#16)
    by Gabriel Malor on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 07:58:05 PM EST
    Then read it again.

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    Tag noted (none / 0) (#19)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 08:13:28 PM EST
    So instead of whining about your failure to be born into a rich family, you are actually making an empty "strawman" argument.  Substituting one form of failed argument for another still results in an empty argument

    For lurkers, a strawman is the standard GOP debate strategy.  Donald Rumsfeld employs it full time, asking himself questions and then answering them rather than taking questions from the other side of the lectern. This debunked tactic is used by someone who does not have an argument, so he makes up a fictional statement from a fictional opponent, and then slams the cr@p out of an argument that he created for the sole purpose of refuting it.

    The reason he does this, dear lurkers, is because he can't refute the REAL statements people here make.

    Gabriel, you do not need to reinforce the fact that you do not have a case.  George W. Bush, born into YOUR family, would be the embarrassing uncle who failed at everything he tried and can't speak a coherent sentence.

    Deal with it.

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    Jeez, this has gotten farcical (none / 0) (#23)
    by Gabriel Malor on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 08:34:10 PM EST
    Repack Rider,

    I didn't think I needed to explain myself or I would have given you more information when I told you to check the tag. Since you still haven't figured out my comment, I will explain it for you.

    Y'see, hours and hours ago, several commenters here started complaining that George Bush has had "unfair opportunities." Their main beef was with his "privilege" but they also mentioned such things as ability and wealth. So I decided that I would parody these commenters.

    I began by titling my parody: "Boo hoo...boo hoo...waaaah!" to indicate that I felt these commenters were whiners and babies.

    Then I listed a summation of their greivances: "Mommy, how come some people have more chances than me? Why did God hate me so much that I was born into the middle class? Why isn't it fair?!?  ::sob::"

    Then I used a very broad brush to paint a common lefty response: "When I grow up I guess I'll just have to drag everyone down to make us all equal. And then I'll disbelieve in God--yeah, that'll show Him. And then we'll force everyone to treat everyone else like there are no differences in the world. Wealth, intelligence, and determination will mean nothing! Rich people won't be allowed to spend their money! Smart people will get no better opportunities than dumb people! Hard workers will be treated no different than lazy people! In fact, fathers will be forbidden from helping their children, too. It will be perfect!!!"

    And then I signed it with an end sarcasm tag to indicate that the above was a parody: "/sarcasm".

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    Re: Faith (none / 0) (#24)
    by Edger on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 08:41:37 PM EST
    Well... I had faith in you. I guess it was unfounded. I must have 'misunderestimated' you.

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    Oh I saw it... (none / 0) (#20)
    by Edger on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 08:18:16 PM EST
    Please note the /unsarcasm tag.

    Then read it again. Maybe write it down and tape it to your shaving mirror for future reference. Maybe it will sink in eventually. I have faith in you.

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    xxx (1.00 / 0) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 01:11:50 PM EST
    AC writes:

    Only now they've got folks like me and my kind to deal with.

    I am sure they shaking in fear.

    Yeah (none / 0) (#31)
    by Officious Pedant on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 06:01:50 PM EST
    because you run ads about the phone sex line a staffer called when you have the opposition dead to rights on the issues.

    You outright lie, and get told by the agency you say provided the data that you are lying, when you say that someone didn't pay their taxes because you have mastered foreign and domestic policy issues.

    They should be shaking with fear. We want them out. As far from the reigns of power as possible. And that includes our own. I want every single Dem who voted for the MCA to be removed from their seat. And, as AC points out, I'm far from the only one.

    The Democrats were defeated after nearly forty years as the dominant party. The Republicans, I think, are going to be defeated after only 12. Blame the media, the Dems, liberals, whatever. It doesn't matter. A lot of people have figured out that the roses the Republicans are selling not only don't smell sweet, but they're poisonous.

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    Party of Hate (none / 0) (#9)
    by koshembos on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 05:22:40 PM EST
    The party of hate has truened into an orgy of hate. Candidates with noose in the office, gay candidates hate gays and above all hate the rest of the world.

    it's nice to know some things remain consistent... (none / 0) (#14)
    by cpinva on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 07:41:11 PM EST
    the sun rising in the east, the swallows returning to capistrano, jim being incredibly dense, or purposefully obtuse, you make the call.

    my point, for those unable to grasp it without help: given gb's obviously limited intellectual capabilities, had he not had the fortuitous circumstance of birth, he'd have been forced, like most of us, to earn his way on merit.

    had that been the case, he'd have risen to his actual level of competence: that of fast-food management trainee.

    his record, from high school on up, is a litany of failure. his "success" gained only due to family wealth, connections and friends. these are facts, not conjecture.

    i say this with no hate or malice, that requires an expenditure of emotional energy i'm not willing to make.

    would you want him to be in charge of any really important project, something that the continued existence of your company, or your employment depended on? let's say something that required more than simple minded belief. rather, something requiring thoughtful inquiry, and an ability to absorb, analyze and adapt to new facts.

    if you can honestly say yes, than there is truly little help for you.

    Party of Hate (none / 0) (#15)
    by john horse on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 07:52:21 PM EST
    Did anyone notice that the entire rant from this former White House speechwriter consisted of reasons for not voting Democrat. Not a word about why you should vote for the Republicans or what they have accomplished.  You would think that with their party in control of the Presidency and both houses of Congress, that we would have entered a new golden age and that the Republicans would be bragging about their accomplishments.  Instead they resort to finger pointing and mud throwing.  As conservative activist Richard Viguerie points out "The big-spending, high-deficit, morally-deficient Republican Party hasn't anything to offer conservatives except Halloween scare tactics about the Democrats."  The Republicans resort to finger pointing and mud throwing because they can't run on their record.

    It is not CNN or Howard Dean or the Democrats that have been running this country for the last 6 years.  It is the Republicans and if they can't take responsibility than maybe its time to put some adults in charge who will.  


    Re: lookin' forward to puttin' the boot to 'em (none / 0) (#22)
    by Edger on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 08:30:00 PM EST
    The dialect is a bit beyond me, but I think I like where you're going with that. Tip a couple for me, will you? 'Liberally' poured, of course. ;-)

    jim, i am totally confused...................... (none / 0) (#26)
    by cpinva on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 01:01:14 AM EST
    you state, in part:

    btw Edger, I have asked his before... since you think Bush is successful only because of his connections why aren't you in that alley???

    the fact is, bush has been wildly unsuccessful his entire life. perhaps, potty training was successful, but i'll wait on third party confirmation first.

    really, that was my whole point: absent his family wealth & connections, he's flipping burgers for a living. he's been an abject failure his entire existence, capping it spectacularly, with a phenomonally failed 6 year run (so far) as prez of these here new nited states.

    without brakes applied, mr. bush will have massively contributed to the total undermining of national security, nearly single-handedly. how has he done this, you ask? simply put, he has put this country on the road to massive fiscal ruin, with his disasterous "spend, reduce taxes and borrow from foreign governments to pay for it all" program.

    without going into the fine points, suffice it to say that the current national debt of 8.5 trillion (of which nearly half has been created on mr. bush's watch), is a mere drop in the bucket, compared to what his fiscal & foreign policies will cause in the next 20 years.

    if this be success, i'll pass.

    xx (1.00 / 0) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 01:10:13 PM EST
    cpinva - The world is full of families who went "shirt sleaves to shirt sleaves" in three generations. Now, if you want to calim that Bush is stupid, go ahead. But he did manage to become a Governor and a President. Not bad for someone our wildly successful cpinva claims to be (maybe) qualified to manage a fast food joint.

    And if you want to worry about failures before success, I invite you to study the lives of two Presidents generally considered to at the top of the heap. Lincoln and Truman.

    The facts are simple. You have nothing but claims and a superiority complex. Neither supported in reality.

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    I'm anxious to know (none / 0) (#30)
    by Officious Pedant on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 05:52:31 PM EST
    what the successes were, Jim.

    Spell them out for me, and then explain how his approval dropped down into the 30s. A feat that required a loss on Republican/evangelical confidence. Staggering debt, habeas corpus suspended, and now authorization to federalize the Guard without gubenatorial approval (but, then, who needs the Posse Comitatus Act anyway, right?). One veto used, and that to prevent potentially life saving medical research. A Coalition of the Nothing Better to Do, Really, millions spent on weapons we now can't track, and near enough to 10 Billion dollars just lost. Gone. Poof. And that's just Iraq. And don't even get me started on him clowning around the Oval Office (that serious, and sacrosanct symbol of the US) "looking for WMD".

    "No biggie, just tens of thousand dead, but, nope, no WMD under my desk. Or that chair, neither." Quite the success.

    So, explain it to me. Where are the successes that all those business and personal failures led to? And do try to remember that he was the one who made character and gravitas part of the campaign message.

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    bush is a failure, he only knows how to sell hate. (none / 0) (#29)
    by Sailor on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 01:39:33 PM EST
    bsuh failed in every business he was in, but thru his families political connections managed to fail upward. He's now the worst failure of a president that America has ever seen.

    Slay the constitution along with 2800+ Americans and 300,000+ iraqis for a lie.

    Only people who haven't caught on to the fact that he has nothing but hate to sell (Fewer than 37% of Americans) would continue to endorse corrupts, homophobice thugs.