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Those who support life should also support stem cell research.

Crooks and Liars has the video of Rush Limbaugh's absurd attack on Michael J. Fox.

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    Fales Advertising Hurts (1.00 / 0) (#1)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 07:51:00 PM EST
    My puzzlement is this. The MJF commercial was shot on video tape.

    That means that Fox's appearance could have been whatever the producer wanted. Calm, as we see him on his TV show. Or shaking as we see him in he ad.

    In other words, they could have shot it dozens of times.

    Obviously they wanted to show him shaking. We now know, as MJF has admitted, that he had taken too much medication, which caused the problems.

    Why? The answer is, dramatic effect.

    If you want to claim that embryonic stem cell research, which is the question.. not stem cell research... will cure MJF's disease, and many others, fine. But if you want to be honest about it, you should show the individual as that person looks when properly medicated. Not over medicated, and not under medicated.

    We are also hearing that one group in MO has contributed $28M to the cause. This same group, we are told, will profit if it is made part of the state's constitution.

    The effort appears to be dishonest and politically driven. That's a shame because it plays into the hands of the nuts on the other side.

    If you want to know why we can't get drug law reform, national health care, etc., just look at this and understand how cheesy commercials to win elections hurt the honest efforts of people working for change.

    It's shameful.

    Are you in the medical field, Jim? (none / 0) (#6)
    by Kitt on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 11:34:41 PM EST
    Then shut up. I mean it.

    Obviously they wanted to show him shaking. We now know, as MJF has admitted, that he had taken too much medication, which caused the problems.

    "Too much medication" does not mean taking 1500 mg of Tylenol vs 300 mg. In relation to Parkinson's, it means adjusting the titration of whatever various drugs he DOES take in order to have him function at a level to do whatever he wants - and then THAT'S NO GUARANTEE.

    These are the kind of patients everyday - patients with ALS, Parkinson's, Guillian-Barre, etc., neurological disorders/diseases. Not only that but Fox has had Parkinson's for a number of years in which case his medications aren't quite as effacious as they once were.

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    Kit... you are so sweet (1.00 / 0) (#9)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 06:55:23 AM EST
    Kitt - Such a sweetheart you are. Oh well, nothing unusual in your nasty mouth...

    Let me repeat.  On his TV show he doesn't look like that. The commercial was shot on video tape. MJF's condition was shown as they wanted it shown.

    I.e. Dramatic effect.

    The issue is embryonic research, not stem cell research. Stem cell research is on-going and government funded.

    Embryonic research is opposed by a large portion of the population. That is their right.

    Opponents of embryonic stem cell research claim that there are no known diseases cured by embryonic stem cell "medicine." A quick google shows much talk about "potential."

    Therapies from adult and embryonic stem cell research. To date, adult stem cell research, which is federally-funded, has resulted in the development of a variety of therapeutic treatments for diseases. Although embryonic stem cell research has not yet produced similar results, many scientists believe embryonic stem cell research holds promise over time because of the capacity of embryonic stem cells to develop into any tissue in the human body.

    My comment was and has not changed:

    The effort appears to be dishonest and politically driven. That's a shame because it plays into the hands of the nuts on the other side.

    If you want to know why we can't get drug law reform, national health care, etc., just look at this and understand how cheesy commercials to win elections hurt the honest efforts of people working for change.



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    Well, you're still an idiot (none / 0) (#15)
    by Kitt on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 07:12:02 AM EST
    Let me repeat.  On his TV show he doesn't look like that. The commercial was shot on video tape. MJF's condition was shown as they wanted it shown.

    Because they can and do tape around it. (Mr. Fox addressed that as well.)

    You don't know a thing about this issue and your ignorance truly shows. Come back when you have some real knowledge rather than something you found via 'The Google'- like maybe a degree in Biology or even a class in microbiology or just simple anatomy & physiology.

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    Will you joing me. (1.00 / 0) (#26)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 28, 2006 at 01:00:33 PM EST
    You don't need a degree to understand that the experts say that embryonic research has potential.

    But there are no actually results.

    Adult stem cell research has had results.

    As I have noted, embryonic research works for me.

    But claiming that voting for a particular candidate, Demo or RINO Repub is shameful.

    Will you join me in donating $200. to a Hollywood celeb founded foundation??

    more dramtic effect (none / 0) (#3)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 08:35:54 PM EST
    Here is some more dramtic effect to whine about: "...we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud." --link

    Rochester Area Right To Life (none / 0) (#4)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 08:56:51 PM EST
    The Testimony of Dr. Dennis Turner
    Given at a Science, Technology, and Space Hearing:
    Adult Stem Cell Research
    Wednesday, July 14 2004 at the United States Senate

    Soon after having the cells injected my Parkinson's symptoms began to improve. My trembling grew less and less, until to all appearances it was gone, only slightly reappearing if I became upset. Dr. Levesque had me tested by a Neurologist, who said he wouldn't have known I had Parkinson's if he had met me on the street. I was once again able to use my right hand and arm normally, enjoying activities that I given up hope of ever doing.
    ...
    Last year, after four years of being virtually symptom free, my Parkinson's symptoms began reappearing in my body's left side. Today I have various degrees of trembling in both hands, although I feel that the left is slightly worse. Nevertheless, I wouldn't hesitate for a second to have Dr. Levesque use my adult stem cells to treat me a second time, since in my case they were safe, effective, and involved no risk of rejection.
    ...
    This summarizes my history with Parkinson's and the positive effects I experienced through a treatment that used my own adult stem cells. I'm very happy with its results and would dearly love to have a second treatment.

    Rochester Area Right To Life

    Great (1.00 / 0) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 07:03:10 AM EST
    The issue isn't the research, the issue is the ad.

    In the meantime I don't think the FDA has approved a drug.

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    dramatic effects... (none / 0) (#5)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 08:59:02 PM EST
    Pretty dramatic effects, huh Jim? :-/

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    I meant to say (none / 0) (#7)
    by Kitt on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 11:42:47 PM EST
    these are the kind of patients we have every day at the hospital I work. These are not fun disorders and I just cannot stand such blatant ignorance as that being expressed by the likes of Matt Lauer, Rush Limbaugh, & Jim, especially when they know absolutely NOTHING about what that of which they speak.

    As they've been saying at: SPIT!


    Politics - Foundation (1.00 / 0) (#13)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 07:07:50 AM EST
    Then start pushing an educational program that doesn't depend on actors in campaign commercials during an election.

    When you do that I will start thinking it is about education and not about politics.

    BTW - Why doesn't Hollywood form a foundation to fund the research?? The issue is money.

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    Re: thinking (none / 0) (#16)
    by Edger on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 07:50:07 AM EST
    You? Thinking? Hahahahaha.... Who are you tying to kid?

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    Re: I meant to say (none / 0) (#8)
    by Edger on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 06:10:06 AM EST
    Ironic, isn't it? People can come here to this site anytime and get free treatment for ignorance and lack of knowledge. Too bad some of them never take advantage of it.

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    dramatic effect (none / 0) (#10)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 06:59:42 AM EST
    edger - What is it about the commercial being shot on tape, and thus allowing the producers to control the content don't you understamd?

    If they had wanted to show the effects of improper medcation, they should had said so.

    They got what they wanted for dramatic effect.

    It wasn't an honest presentation.

    Well, I've calmed down now, Edger (none / 0) (#12)
    by Kitt on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 07:04:51 AM EST
    The point is NOT the commercial made by Michael J. Fox. The point is the MESSAGE presented by Mr. Fox.

    This entire episode isn't about stem cell research and which avenue to take or not take, what it involves, what it is, etc. It's about whether or not Mike can voluntarily override the symptoms of a neurological disorder which produces involuntary movements. And - I'm willing to bet $$$$ the words 'voluntary' and 'involuntary' from a medical standpoint are something NOT understood (misunderstood). Because if they were, we wouldn't be having this little conversation.

    Politics and shame (1.00 / 0) (#14)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 07:10:45 AM EST
    The medium is the message.

    The tape could have been shot later.

    Again. This isn't about research.

    This is about politics.

    That's shameful.

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    This is about politics? (none / 0) (#17)
    by Edger on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 08:06:37 AM EST
    No, Jim. Politics is you and Rush Lamebrain desperately looking for any straw you can grasp onto to save your sorry asses on November 7, even to the point of publicly insinuating that Fox is "acting" his symptoms.

    That's shameful. It's also fu*king disgusting. More than a tape could be shot later. You guys are running out of feet to aim at.

    And you know what Jim? No one much gives a sh*t what your so-called "opinion" is. We can read it everyday on Powerline or just turn the radio on and hear Rush puke it out. You can save your breath repeating it.

    Politics Power and Money (1.00 / 0) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 09:12:11 AM EST
    Here is what MJF said:

    On the contrary, he had been overmedicated, the actor said during an interview aired on Thursday's "CBS Evening News with Katie Couric."

    "The irony of it is that I was too medicated," Fox told Couric, adding that his jumpy condition as he spoke to her reflected "a dearth of medication - not by design. I just take it, and it kicks in when it kicks in."

    So tell me. Why didn't they wait until his medication was right? They were taping, this wasn't live??

    And why doesn't Hollywood start a foundation to fund embryonic research?? And the answer is:

    The same reason they complain about conservation while flying on their private jets and SUV's.

    They want someone else to do the work, to scarifice and to give the money...

    This is about three things. Politics, power and money...

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    A TV show is your standard of honesty? (none / 0) (#19)
    by roy on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 10:06:36 AM EST
    Jim,

    The fact that the drugs can't consistently maintain their optimum level is very much a part of the disease.  So is the fact that Fox has such a hard time going 30 seconds without shaking that it would take dozens of takes to get a shake-free one.

    Why is hiding these negative facts, as you suggest Fox should have done, more honest than hiding the positive ones, as you suggest Fox did?

    Why should Fox use the same cherry-picked timing and editing tricks to address America about an issue as he does to make an entertaining TV show?


    Can you be honest? (none / 0) (#20)
    by Peaches on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 10:25:19 AM EST
    Jim,

    My father has Parkinson's disease and like MJF he developed and has lived with his disease from a young age. If anything the comercial is an honest presentation of what a person with Parkinson's lives with everyday. THere are up times and down times. As the disease progresses there are more down times than up times. The medication for treating Parkinson's has been truly miraculous over the years for my father. However, it does not work in the way you think. My father takes the medicaton and waits for it to kick in. How well he does after it kicks in depends upon how much sleep he has had, his diet, his mood, etc. When is needs to walk and is impatient, or hasn't slept well (Peaople with Parkinson's often suffer from sleep disorders because of the medication and disease), he takes more medication, and his tremors are exagerated. This is just part of living with the disease. There are days when he is better than others but over time he has always gotten worse except when he has undergone surgery (which both times was experimental and once involved stem cells--both times he has improved, but he still lives with the disease that grows worse over time).

    It is true that the producers of the ad could have waited and given us MJF when he is at his best, but MJF has Parkinson's Disease. He lives with it everyday. If we want to understand what it is like to live with Parkinson's, we need to see the disease for what it really is. That is honest.

    ... for Tat... (none / 0) (#21)
    by desertswine on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 12:26:19 PM EST
    The effort appears to be dishonest and politically driven.

    Nancy Reagan's support of stem cell research must also be dishonest and politically driven.

    She is exploiting both the disease and the sacred memory of her dead moron husband, Ronald.

    Exploitation (none / 0) (#22)
    by roy on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 12:32:14 PM EST
    It's especially dishonest since President Reagan could have been portrayed as alive.  Seen Weekend at Bernie's?

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    Haw! (none / 0) (#23)
    by desertswine on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 02:22:22 PM EST
    Haw!

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    Helpless desperation... (none / 0) (#28)
    by Edger on Sat Oct 28, 2006 at 06:51:40 PM EST
    A worried GOP attacks the ailing, minorities

    Rush may know his OxyContin and Viagra, but, according to Jonathan Cohn at TNR's The Plank (1), who interviewed Dr. William J. Winer, chairman of the department of neurology and director of the Parkinson's clinic at the University of Maryland Medical Center, he needs to bone up on his Parkinson's meds. "[Winer] ... was fairly surprised to hear about Limbaugh's reaction. Here's why: 'What you are seeing on the video is side effects of the medication. He has to take that medication to sit there and talk to you like that. ... He's not over-dramatizing. ... [Limbaugh] is revealing his ignorance of Parkinson's disease, because people with Parkinson's don't look like that at all when they're not taking their medication. They look stiff, and frozen, and don't move at all.' "

    The general consensus in the blogosphere wasn't quite outrage. Most have come to expect this kind of blather from Dick Cheney's favorite journalist. In fact, some liberal bloggers, like Kevin Drum of Political Animal (2), were actually pleased by Rush's immolation. "Too often it's been liberals who respond to tough ads with whining, but now conservatives are doing it instead -- and it's a sign of weakness. If conservatives want to defend [Missouri Sen. Jim] Talent's position, they should go right ahead and do so. But accusing Michael J. Fox of faking his symptoms and then complaining that a 30-second spot isn't a Brookings white paper? That shows a kind of helpless desperation that it's nice to see on the other side for once."

    ...Rush did a disservice to the legitimate debate over stem cells and the use of Fox in a political ad. "What is really despicable is to play on people's concerns and hopes for a cure for a terrible disease in order to score political points. And that point has been lost in the fuss over Rush Limbaugh's insensitive comments.