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FDR Bipartisan? What Silliness

Professor Cass Sunstein tries to forward this Obama bipartisan silliness, and rewrites history in the process. He now pretends that FDR and Abraham Lincoln were NOT politicians. Just silly:

At crucial moments, [FDR] offered large and contentious claims, attacking the beliefs of (for example) those who were committed to laissez-faire and to isolationism. On the other hand, FDR was also committed to a principle of mutual respect. And consider these words from Lincoln's Second Inaugural: "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right...."

This is so ahistorical as to be incredible that a brilliant man like Sunstein could have even written those words. FDR was always at loggerheads with the Republicans, demonizing and being demonized. As for Lincoln, sure in 1865 after having won the election and the Civil War (or shortly to), he was all magnaminity. During the election? And of course, his Cooper Union address, which I have written about at length, is the very epitome of negative branding. Sunstein simply is writing nonsense.

Some examples? How about this FDR speech from the 1940 campaign:

This is a funny campaign. It is a strange campaign. Here it is almost the day of election and it is still impossible to determine what are the principles of the opposition party. What is it that the Republican leaders would do during the next four years if they were given a chance?

They have made campaign speeches on all sides of all questions.

On a Monday we hear that this Administration has done a good job in its foreign policy; but on Tuesday we hear the foreign policies of the United States condemned.

On a Wednesday we understand that our policy toward agriculture should not be changed; and on Thursday we learn to our amazement that the farmers have been the victims of the New Deal and are forced to exist on a dole.

And so it goes. On a Friday we are treated to the encouraging thought that the social gains of labor during the past seven years should be continued; and on Saturday we are told to weep because labor has been the principal sufferer under the New Deal. (Laughter)

To one group, further and bigger relief is held out; and to the big taxpayers, cuts in expenditures are promised.

One day they say they would continue our good neighbor policy; the next day they hurl insults at certain of our good neighbors to the south.

That is the way they seek to catch a vote here and catch a vote there and pick one out of the air.

There is, however, one explanation for these contradictions, rather a sad explanation. It is found in the very strange assortment of political bedfellows who have been brought together in the Republican political dormitory.

Many conflicting interests, many irreconcilable social outlooks, many fundamentally opposite economic attitudes, have been thrown together under one political roof.

The only common philosophy and the only common purpose they have is to get wholly rid of all the New Deal—lock, stock and barrel—and to get control of Government in their own hands for their own purposes.

Just as they have not been able to foist their falsifications on the American people, they will never be able to foist this only common purpose of theirs upon the American people now.

We will all see to that next Tuesday.

We all know the story of the unfortunate chameleon which turned brown when placed on a brown rug, and turned red when placed on a red rug, but who died a tragic death when they put him on a Scotch plaid. We all know what would happen to Government if it tried to fulfill all the secret understandings and promises made between the conflicting groups which are now backing the Republican Party.

There is something very ominous in this combination that has been forming within the Republican Party between the extreme reactionary and the extreme radical elements of this country.

There is no common ground upon which they can unite—we know that-unless it be their common will to power, and their impatience with the normal democratic processes to produce overnight the inconsistent dictatorial ends that they, each of them, seek. . . .

Excuse me Professor Sunstein, but that is some of the nastiest political rhetoric you can ever find. And the Republicans returned it in kind. Principles of mutual respect? Seriously, what utter nonsense.

As for Lincoln, at Cooper Union, he said:

And now, if they would listen - as I suppose they will not - I would address a few words to the Southern people.

I would say to them: - You consider yourselves a reasonable and a just people; and I consider that in the general qualities of reason and justice you are not inferior to any other people. Still, when you speak of us Republicans, you do so only to denounce us a reptiles, or, at the best, as no better than outlaws. You will grant a hearing to pirates or murderers, but nothing like it to "Black Republicans." In all your contentions with one another, each of you deems an unconditional condemnation of "Black Republicanism" as the first thing to be attended to. Indeed, such condemnation of us seems to be an indispensable prerequisite - license, so to speak - among you to be admitted or permitted to speak at all. Now, can you, or not, be prevailed upon to pause and to consider whether this is quite just to us, or even to yourselves? Bring forward your charges and specifications, and then be patient long enough to hear us deny or justify.

You say we are sectional. We deny it. That makes an issue; and the burden of proof is upon you. You produce your proof; and what is it? Why, that our party has no existence in your section - gets no votes in your section. The fact is substantially true; but does it prove the issue? If it does, then in case we should, without change of principle, begin to get votes in your section, we should thereby cease to be sectional. You cannot escape this conclusion; and yet, are you willing to abide by it? If you are, you will probably soon find that we have ceased to be sectional, for we shall get votes in your section this very year. You will then begin to discover, as the truth plainly is, that your proof does not touch the issue. The fact that we get no votes in your section, is a fact of your making, and not of ours. And if there be fault in that fact, that fault is primarily yours, and remains until you show that we repel you by some wrong principle or practice. If we do repel you by any wrong principle or practice, the fault is ours; but this brings you to where you ought to have started - to a discussion of the right or wrong of our principle. If our principle, put in practice, would wrong your section for the benefit of ours, or for any other object, then our principle, and we with it, are sectional, and are justly opposed and denounced as such. Meet us, then, on the question of whether our principle, put in practice, would wrong your section; and so meet it as if it were possible that something may be said on our side. Do you accept the challenge? No! Then you really believe that the principle which "our fathers who framed the Government under which we live" thought so clearly right as to adopt it, and indorse it again and again, upon their official oaths, is in fact so clearly wrong as to demand your condemnation without a moment's consideration.

. . . But you say you are conservative - eminently conservative - while we are revolutionary, destructive, or something of the sort. What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried? We stick to, contend for, the identical old policy on the point in controversy which was adopted by "our fathers who framed the Government under which we live;" while you with one accord reject, and scout, and spit upon that old policy, and insist upon substituting something new. True, you disagree among yourselves as to what that substitute shall be. You are divided on new propositions and plans, but you are unanimous in rejecting and denouncing the old policy of the fathers. Some of you are for reviving the foreign slave trade; some for a Congressional Slave-Code for the Territories; some for Congress forbidding the Territories to prohibit Slavery within their limits; some for maintaining Slavery in the Territories through the judiciary; some for the "gur-reat pur-rinciple" that "if one man would enslave another, no third man should object," fantastically called "Popular Sovereignty;" but never a man among you is in favor of federal prohibition of slavery in federal territories, according to the practice of "our fathers who framed the Government under which we live." Not one of all your various plans can show a precedent or an advocate in the century within which our Government originated. Consider, then, whether your claim of conservatism for yourselves, and your charge or destructiveness against us, are based on the most clear and stable foundations.

Again, you say we have made the slavery question more prominent than it formerly was. We deny it. We admit that it is more prominent, but we deny that we made it so. It was not we, but you, who discarded the old policy of the fathers. We resisted, and still resist, your innovation; and thence comes the greater prominence of the question. Would you have that question reduced to its former proportions? Go back to that old policy. What has been will be again, under the same conditions. If you would have the peace of the old times, readopt the precepts and policy of the old times.

. . Much is said by Southern people about the affection of slaves for their masters and mistresses; and a part of it, at least, is true. A plot for an uprising could scarcely be devised and communicated to twenty individuals before some one of them, to save the life of a favorite master or mistress, would divulge it. This is the rule; and the slave revolution in Hayti was not an exception to it, but a case occurring under peculiar circumstances. The gunpowder plot of British history, though not connected with slaves, was more in point. In that case, only about twenty were admitted to the secret; and yet one of them, in his anxiety to save a friend, betrayed the plot to that friend, and, by consequence, averted the calamity. Occasional poisonings from the kitchen, and open or stealthy assassinations in the field, and local revolts extending to a score or so, will continue to occur as the natural results of slavery; but no general insurrection of slaves, as I think, can happen in this country for a long time. Whoever much fears, or much hopes for such an event, will be alike disappointed.

In the language of Mr. Jefferson, uttered many years ago, "It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation, and deportation, peaceably, and in such slow degrees, as that the evil will wear off insensibly; and their places be, pari passu, filled up by free white laborers. If, on the contrary, it is left to force itself on, human nature must shudder at the prospect held up."

Mr. Jefferson did not mean to say, nor do I, that the power of emancipation is in the Federal Government. He spoke of Virginia; and, as to the power of emancipation, I speak of the slaveholding States only. The Federal Government, however, as we insist, has the power of restraining the extension of the institution - the power to insure that a slave insurrection shall never occur on any American soil which is now free from slavery.

. . . But you will break up the Union rather than submit to a denial of your Constitutional rights.

That has a somewhat reckless sound; but it would be palliated, if not fully justified, were we proposing, by the mere force of numbers, to deprive you of some right, plainly written down in the Constitution. But we are proposing no such thing.

When you make these declarations, you have a specific and well-understood allusion to an assumed Constitutional right of yours, to take slaves into the federal territories, and to hold them there as property. But no such right is specifically written in the Constitution. That instrument is literally silent about any such right. We, on the contrary, deny that such a right has any existence in the Constitution, even by implication.

Your purpose, then, plainly stated, is that you will destroy the Government, unless you be allowed to construe and enforce the Constitution as you please, on all points in dispute between you and us. You will rule or ruin in all events.

. . . Under all these circumstances, do you really feel yourselves justified to break up this Government unless such a court decision as yours is, shall be at once submitted to as a conclusive and final rule of political action? But you will not abide the election of a Republican president! In that supposed event, you say, you will destroy the Union; and then, you say, the great crime of having destroyed it will be upon us! That is cool. A highwayman holds a pistol to my ear, and mutters through his teeth, "Stand and deliver, or I shall kill you, and then you will be a murderer!"

To be sure, what the robber demanded of me - my money - was my own; and I had a clear right to keep it; but it was no more my own than my vote is my own; and the threat of death to me, to extort my money, and the threat of destruction to the Union, to extort my vote, can scarcely be distinguished in principle.

A few words now to Republicans. It is exceedingly desirable that all parts of this great Confederacy shall be at peace, and in harmony, one with another. Let us Republicans do our part to have it so. Even though much provoked, let us do nothing through passion and ill temper. Even though the southern people will not so much as listen to us, let us calmly consider their demands, and yield to them if, in our deliberate view of our duty, we possibly can. Judging by all they say and do, and by the subject and nature of their controversy with us, let us determine, if we can, what will satisfy them.

Will they be satisfied if the Territories be unconditionally surrendered to them? We know they will not. In all their present complaints against us, the Territories are scarcely mentioned. Invasions and insurrections are the rage now. Will it satisfy them, if, in the future, we have nothing to do with invasions and insurrections? We know it will not. We so know, because we know we never had anything to do with invasions and insurrections; and yet this total abstaining does not exempt us from the charge and the denunciation.

The question recurs, what will satisfy them? Simply this: We must not only let them alone, but we must somehow, convince them that we do let them alone. This, we know by experience, is no easy task. We have been so trying to convince them from the very beginning of our organization, but with no success. In all our platforms and speeches we have constantly protested our purpose to let them alone; but this has had no tendency to convince them. Alike unavailing to convince them, is the fact that they have never detected a man of us in any attempt to disturb them.

These natural, and apparently adequate means all failing, what will convince them? This, and this only: cease to call slavery wrong, and join them in calling it right. And this must be done thoroughly - done in acts as well as in words. Silence will not be tolerated - we must place ourselves avowedly with them. Senator Douglas' new sedition law must be enacted and enforced, suppressing all declarations that slavery is wrong, whether made in politics, in presses, in pulpits, or in private. We must arrest and return their fugitive slaves with greedy pleasure. We must pull down our Free State constitutions. The whole atmosphere must be disinfected from all taint of opposition to slavery, before they will cease to believe that all their troubles proceed from us.

I am quite aware they do not state their case precisely in this way. Most of them would probably say to us, "Let us alone, do nothing to us, and say what you please about slavery." But we do let them alone - have never disturbed them - so that, after all, it is what we say, which dissatisfies them. They will continue to accuse us of doing, until we cease saying.

I am also aware they have not, as yet, in terms, demanded the overthrow of our Free-State Constitutions. Yet those Constitutions declare the wrong of slavery, with more solemn emphasis, than do all other sayings against it; and when all these other sayings shall have been silenced, the overthrow of these Constitutions will be demanded, and nothing be left to resist the demand. It is nothing to the contrary, that they do not demand the whole of this just now. Demanding what they do, and for the reason they do, they can voluntarily stop nowhere short of this consummation. Holding, as they do, that slavery is morally right, and socially elevating, they cannot cease to demand a full national recognition of it, as a legal right, and a social blessing.

Nor can we justifiably withhold this, on any ground save our conviction that slavery is wrong. If slavery is right, all words, acts, laws, and constitutions against it, are themselves wrong, and should be silenced, and swept away. If it is right, we cannot justly object to its nationality - its universality; if it is wrong, they cannot justly insist upon its extension - its enlargement. All they ask, we could readily grant, if we thought slavery right; all we ask, they could as readily grant, if they thought it wrong. Their thinking it right, and our thinking it wrong, is the precise fact upon which depends the whole controversy. Thinking it right, as they do, they are not to blame for desiring its full recognition, as being right; but, thinking it wrong, as we do, can we yield to them? Can we cast our votes with their view, and against our own? In view of our moral, social, and political responsibilities, can we do this?

Wrong as we think slavery is, we can yet afford to let it alone where it is, because that much is due to the necessity arising from its actual presence in the nation; but can we, while our votes will prevent it, allow it to spread into the National Territories, and to overrun us here in these Free States? If our sense of duty forbids this, then let us stand by our duty, fearlessly and effectively. Let us be diverted by none of those sophistical contrivances wherewith we are so industriously plied and belabored - contrivances such as groping for some middle ground between the right and the wrong, vain as the search for a man who should be neither a living man nor a dead man - such as a policy of "don't care" on a question about which all true men do care - such as Union appeals beseeching true Union men to yield to Disunionists, reversing the divine rule, and calling, not the sinners, but the righteous to repentance - such as invocations to Washington, imploring men to unsay what Washington said, and undo what Washington did.

Neither let us be slandered from our duty by false accusations against us, nor frightened from it by menaces of destruction to the Government nor of dungeons to ourselves. LET US HAVE FAITH THAT RIGHT MAKES MIGHT, AND IN THAT FAITH, LET US, TO THE END, DARE TO DO OUR DUTY AS WE UNDERSTAND IT.

With malice toward none?

And indeed, what is Sunstein trying to prove?

I've just finished reading Barack Obama's new book, The Audacity of Hope. An immediate reaction is that whenever possible, Obama likes to propose solutions that do not reject the defining principles of those with whom he disagrees--and if he finds it necessary to reject those commitments, he does so in a way that shows unfailing respect for them, and that puts their beliefs and (perhaps above all) their motivations in the most favorable light. This is true on questions involving the economy, national security, immigration, the role of religion, abortion, affirmative action, and much more.

In this way, Obama's book has the same feel as the central argument in John Rawls' Political Liberalism, with Rawls' emphasis on the value of achieving an "overlapping consensus" from people with diverse foundational beliefs. (Rawls hopes that the overlapping consensus can include Kantians, utilitarians, religious believers, atheists, agnostics, and many more, all of whom might be able to accept certain principles from their own foundations.) Rawls argues for an overlapping consensus in part on the ground that it enables people to live together, but more fundamentally because it embodies a principle of civic respect.

Obama's approach is also reminiscent of that favored by "minimalist" judges, who are attracted to constitutional rulings that can attract support from diverse theoretical commitments. Chief Justice Roberts recently spoke enthusiastically about minimalist rulings, emphasizing the virtues of narrow decisions, and of refusing to enter into the most controversial territory when it is not necessary to do that.

In my view, minimalism deserves to play a large role in the judicial domain. To say the least, judges are not experts on the largest issues in moral and political philosophy, and usually they do best to bracket those issues, if they can, in the interest of achieving less ambitious rulings. Is there a place for political minimalism too? Judge Learned Hand thought so, emphasizing that "the spirit of liberty is that spirit that is not too sure that it is right." But many people seem to think not.

More Broder/Ignatius/Klein independent center rational discourse bullshit. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone argued issues on the merits? Wouldn't it be nice if politics was a rational debate where facts were respected and points of view were respected? Well sure. But how come it is only Democrats who are supposed to play this way? Where in the hell has Sunstein been? Did he miss the 1990s and the 6 years of the Bush Administration?

I simply detest this kind of fantastical nonsense so disconnected from reality. In a world where Republicans call Democrats traitors at the drop of a hat, is he freaking serious? Is freaking Barack Obama serious?

This kind of nonsense has to stop. Call out the true perpetrators, the extremist unprincipled Republican Party and then get back to me. In the meantime, I'll remember that Cass Sunstein believes the Bush Administration's argument that a unitary executive where the President has plenary powers in watime is a reasonable view.

Sunstein, with due respect, get your head out of the sand.

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    Re: FDR Bipartisan? What Silliness (none / 0) (#1)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 18, 2006 at 09:24:18 PM EST
    Big Tent - What's your fixation on Obama? He is a two year member of the Senate who has essentially done nothing... AOL has a poll out that shows him beating only Hillary, Edwards, Kerry and Frist. He looses....are you ready for this?? to Rudy G and he beats John McCain only by 2 points.

    I mean I know the Left loves Hollywood and Rock Stars... but this guy is none of the above and has no record to run on..

    Re: FDR Bipartisan? What Silliness (none / 0) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Oct 18, 2006 at 10:26:57 PM EST
    I am against the lionization of the BS he is spewing about politics.

    Jim, do you read publications? Say Time? And various others? You being a Republican of course like when Dems tie their hands politically.

    I do not. Obama is for Obama not for the Democratic Party.

    3 weeks from an election.

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    Re: FDR Bipartisan? What Silliness (none / 0) (#3)
    by demohypocrates on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 12:13:59 AM EST
    Just saw a documentary on what I believe was the History Channel.  It was about Japanese balloon bombs which were aimed at setting the forests in the West afire.  About a thousand of them landed.  FDR requested that the media not publish reports of the attacks, for fear of a nationwide panic.  The media complied.  Would they today?

    I have great respect for FDR to the consternation of many of my more conservative friends.  My admiration runs short however because of his attempts to increase the number of Supreme Court justices to pass his New Deal legislation.  Other than things that were done and said during the Civil War, that might have been the greatest Constitutional crisis this nation has faced.  It was done by a 'liberal' to advance a 'liberal' agenda.  Get off your high horse.

    Impounding Japanese Americans, and Americans with other lineages or ties, during WWII was equally abhorrent.   W is villified for imprisoning foreign terrorists caught on foreign soil, during during a war.  Some worry about their rights.  I do not understand these objections.

    Does this mean Constitutional right for every POW?  Please tell. If it is, I will revise my opinions.  I will become the Abbie Hoffman of the middle agers.  I would never advocate committing troops to a battle that could never be won.  I will spray paint the stars and stripes white and throw my hands up.  

    W is accused of being a fascist.  Come on.  Put things in a historical context and get a clue.

    Re: FDR Bipartisan? What Silliness (5.00 / 0) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 12:48:34 AM EST
    Um, by Democratic officials? Let's put things in perspective here. Today the Speaker of the House called Democrats traitors.

    Stop with the nonsense please.

    When Pelosi calls Bush a sfascist, then you  will have a point.

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    Re: FDR Bipartisan? What Silliness (none / 0) (#5)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 08:42:56 AM EST
    W is villified for imprisoning foreign terrorists caught on foreign soil, during during a war.

    Actually I villify W for, among other things, imprisoning American citizens, denying them the right to trial.

    Jose Padilla born in Puerto Rico.

    Yaser Esam Hamdi born in Baton Rouge Lousiana.

    Justice Jackson

    Executive imprisonment has been considered oppressive and lawless since John, at Runnymede, pledged that no free man should be imprisoned, dispossessed, outlawed, or exiled save by the judgment of his peers or by the law of the land. The judges of England developed the writ of habeas corpus largely to preserve these immunities from executive restraint.

    More and more the dissent in  Ex Parte Milligan resonates as I watch this administration.  

    Wicked men, ambitious of power, with hatred of liberty and contempt of law, may fill the place once occupied by Washington and Lincoln; and if this right is conceded, and the calamities of war again befall us, the dangers to human liberty are frightful to contemplate.

    Finally,  no liberal, and in fact, no one other than Michelle Malkin defends the internment of Japanese Americans in WWII. The difference between FDR and Dubya is FDR did a lot more good than harm and has been judged to be one of the greatest presidents of all time. Dubya has been just the opposite. More harm than good and probably the worst president of all time.

     

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    Re: FDR Bipartisan? What Silliness (none / 0) (#6)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 04:10:11 PM EST
    Molly Bloom writes:

    Jose Padilla born in Puerto Rico.

    Yaser Esam Hamdi born in Baton Rouge Lousiana.

    You know, I agree and have commented that american citizens should not be considered the same as your run of the mill terrorist. They should be held to much higher standards and executed if found guilty treason.

    BTW - You, and the Left, could have easily specified  American citizens. That you did not places your claim in a very poor light.

    Big Tent - I have written time and again that I am not a Repub, but a registered Independent who is a social liberal. You either don't read, or just want to make false claims.

    If it walks and talks (none / 0) (#7)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 05:23:47 PM EST
    like a duck... its duck.

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    Re: If it walks and talks (none / 0) (#8)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 05:28:03 PM EST
    Better clarify- "the walks and talks" was in referencce to the "is Jim now or ever been a Republican" debate, not the who is a terrorist debate.

    As for holding to higher standards, I think we should hold American officials to higher standards, but I don't think that is what Jim meant.

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    Re: FDR Bipartisan? What Silliness (none / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 07:29:22 PM EST
    My apologies Jim. Frankly, I never saw those comments.

    To be honest, it is pretty surprising to me as you read like a partisan Republican to me.

    Curious, did you vote for Bush in the last two elections?

    Did you vote for Clinton before that?

    What other Democrats have you voted for?

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    Re: FDR Bipartisan? What Silliness (none / 0) (#10)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 08:46:17 AM EST
    Big Tent - I am hawk... Think Scoop Jackson..

    The last demo that I voted for was Carter, for which I hang my head in shame... In '92 I voted for the Little Admiral as a protest... dumb silly move on my part, but I was still a youngster...
    I liked what Clinton did initally, but he soon threw that away.

    My issue is National Defense, of which I would trust the Demos as far as I can throw all of them. Worse they are using the WOT as a political football to get back in power, with no plan whatsoever about what to do about what is essentially a culture war between Islam and the rest of the world. I maintain that the radical Moslems are using our sometimes silly love of "diversity" against us.

    My view is "Out of many, one."

    My base views on social issues are very straight forward... National health care, gay rights, women's rights, reform of our drug laws and reform  of our tax laws.

    I think the Demos would be amazed at how many ex-Demos would return if they decided to defend the country and accept the fact that even with our flaws, we are still the greatest county on God's Green Earth.

    Re: FDR Bipartisan? What Silliness (none / 0) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 08:53:09 AM EST
    Molly - You are right. I think we should hold ALL American citizens to a higher standard than we do our enemies.

    And, BION, there are other issues besides the war.

    As for FDR, he was wrong, but I don't villify him. People of the past should be judged by what was acceptable standards of the past, not today's standards

    Re: FDR Bipartisan? What Silliness (none / 0) (#12)
    by Molly Bloom on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 10:38:05 AM EST
    Molly - You are right.

    Usually ;-)

    However, I think you need to re look at the WOT. Who is using it for power? It seems to me you belong to the blame Democrats 1st crowd, which is one of the reasons no-one takes your claims of independence or "social liberalism" seriously.

    Objectively, the Bushies and the GOP use national security as a cudgel against their opponents. Who began morphing their opponets into Osama? Who has persisted in saying Democrats who call for redeployment "cut and runners" notwithstanding the upcoming Baker Report endorses the same approach that most Democrats endorse- redeployment. I could go on.

    Then there is the question of what actually has Bush done to make us safer? Objectively not much and very possibly Bush has made us less safe. You can't bring yourself to admit that.  Instead you keep posting bromides about Democrats being soft on national security, without citing any evidence. Repeating RNC talking points is not evidence. Moreover, it undercuts your claims of independence and why everyone thinks you are a Republican. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it probably is a duck.

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