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Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video

Don't miss this very funny video cartoon of Bush and Cheney playing Risk and deciding to bomb Iran. Great music too. By Adam Kontras.

It would be even funnier if there wasn't some truth to it.

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  • Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 09:42:54 AM EST
    Here's a question for you: When the President of Iran states publicly that he'd be willing to lose 1/2 of Iran in order to destroy Israel, what options do you think we really have? If he's willing to countenance the loss of that much of his own country, what carrots (or sticks) will actually make much of a difference? What the left seems unwilling to accept is that there are no good options for dealing with the Iranian regime. Diplomacy has not worked, and will continue to not work. Force is unlikely to work unless we are willing to do a Rome vs. Carthage "salt the earth" style campaign. I certainly don't favor such an action, and I doubt anyone in the administration does either. What we are faced with is a situation where MAD isn't going to work, because we are dealing with a regime that thinks it can hasten the arrival of the "hidden imam" via destruction, martyrdom, and chaos. We have no options that don't suck. Our presence in Iraq doesn't have much of an impact on this, either. It gives us more troops in the region, which might be useful if war comes - but the Iranian regime has been on a collision course with the West since 1978. I don't think there's any combination of carrots or sticks that we can offer/threaten that will have any real impact at all (given that capitulation on the one hand, and total war on the other are not desirable). That leaves us waiting for the Iranians to drop the other shoe, at which point we'll have to respond.

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#2)
    by Che's Lounge on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 09:51:36 AM EST
    What the left seems unwilling to accept is that there are no good options for dealing with the Iranian regime. Diplomacy has not worked, and will continue to not work. Force is unlikely to work unless we are willing to do a Rome vs. Carthage "salt the earth" style campaign. I certainly don't favor such an action, and I doubt anyone in the administration does either. You give up too easily. That kind POV is dangerous to the safety of the country. It hastens violence. It's easy to throw up your hands when you have 10K nukes to help you sleep at night.

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#3)
    by soccerdad on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:04:09 AM EST
    Doesn't take long for the war whores to come out does it?
    Here's a question for you: When the President of Iran states publicly that he'd be willing to lose 1/2 of Iran in order to destroy Israel,
    source?
    What the left seems unwilling to accept is that there are no good options for dealing with the Iranian regime. Diplomacy has not worked
    What diplomacy? Oh making offers that you know ahead of time that they wont accept.
    What we are faced with is a situation where MAD isn't going to work, because we are dealing with a regime that thinks it can hasten the arrival of the "hidden imam" via destruction, martyrdom, and chaos.
    Now this is unadulturaed BS. If you want to believe this it would be just as reasonable to believe that Bush backed by Christian Fundamentalists are trying to hasten the Rapture Saudi FM confident about peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear program
    The US media presented only a snippet from the speech of Supreme Jurisprudent Ali Khamenei of Iran on Sunday, in which he threatened to damage oil supplies to the West if the US militarily attacked Iran. He did say that, but he also announced that Iran had no intention of striking first, had not attacked and would not attack another country, and that it has no nuclear weapons program and does not want a nuclear bomb. I didn't hear any of those statements reported on television
    . link And as almost everyone knows this is about oil and power not nukes. Iran having nukes prevents us from our hegemony in the ME

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#4)
    by nolo on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:08:01 AM EST
    I think it was Isaac Asimov who said, "violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." James Robertson et al. might give that some thought.

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#5)
    by soccerdad on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:25:08 AM EST
    The Armscontrolwonk sums up the Bush "strategy" on Iran
    In other words, nothing anyone outside the White House thinks matters. We know Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons, despite anything approaching certainty on the question. History will later vindicate us, regardless of how bad we F-up now. It's not our fault that Europeans are wusses. Sound familiar? The cap's coming off the glue, doctor's orders be damned...


    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 11:31:50 AM EST
    It's amazing how none of the commenters actually read my comment. I said two things: 1) Diplomacy won't work, because Iran isn't interested 2) The level of voiolence necessary to get their attention is unacceptable unless Iran initiates it I have no interest in the US taking violent action against Iran. I don't think diplomacy is going to work either. Had any of you read my entire comment, you would understand that I don't think there are any good options for dealing with Iran, period.

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#7)
    by soccerdad on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 11:39:17 AM EST
    You said more than 2 things but chose to ignore the comments tirected at those other points.
    Diplomacy won't work, because Iran isn't interested
    You added the qualifier, which now makes your statement completely untrue since it is the US that doesn't want a negotiated settlement. A negotiated settlement would never give the neocons what they want. A weak Iran with US control, directly or through puppets, over its resources.
    2) The level of voiolence necessary to get their attention is unacceptable unless Iran initiates it
    I dont agree that the administration shares your laudable restraint

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 11:41:49 AM EST
    Soc. You saved me a little typing on this one, picked up on all the points I had noted, but then it would be hard not to.

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#9)
    by soccerdad on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 11:56:58 AM EST
    Soc. You saved me a little typing on this one
    , happy to be of service ;-)

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#10)
    by Lww on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 12:34:00 PM EST
    Being in the car for long periods last week gave me an opportunity to listen to the nuts on the radio; Rush,Michael Savage,Mark Levin,Hannity, a slew of others. The drums are beating. It's the main topic and the callers want to see some fireworks. Levin and Savage verbally picture scenarios of mushroom clouds over Tehran. For the hardcore Likudnik or Cheneyite it must be absolutely thrilling.

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 01:06:58 PM EST
    ;-) yourself, says he who had to google to find out what it meant. What an odd world it is that we live in, there be pages of the rascals, some that may come in mighty handy though. +-:-) :-7

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#12)
    by soccerdad on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 01:36:19 PM EST
    there be pages of the rascals,
    different pages having different definitions for same thing. O.o

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#13)
    by Che's Lounge on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 05:36:19 PM EST
    1) Diplomacy won't work, because Iran isn't interested False. Or at the very least, unprovable. From what I have read, Iran has set no conditions. They just don't bend to "Stop your program and then we'll talk". If I were them, I'd do the same thing they are doing. If you say you would not you would be a liar or a fool. A nut with thousands of nukes just moved in next door. And they are just supposed to sit there? That's not supporting terrorism. That's just common sense. It's now my opinion that Bush truly aspires to succeed where all others have failed. He wants to conquer the middle east. I truly believe that he thinks he can pull it off. Read LWW's comment above. We're being stirred up en masse by these war mongers. And we don't need no stinking badges. Think Tonkin Gulf. The USS Maine.

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#14)
    by soccerdad on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 05:55:47 PM EST
    Che, Iran wants a security agreement if they were to stop enrichment which Bush wont give them. Gee I'm shocked. As you well know this is Iraq2

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#15)
    by Edger on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 07:17:31 PM EST
    Che: Bush truly aspires to succeed where all others have failed. He wants to conquer the middle east. I truly believe that he thinks he can pull it off. He's completely disconnected from reality if he thinks he can conqquer the ME. Just as every other problem (e.g terrorism) these guys "invent" and got to "war against, the problems get bigger and bigger. They (bush and co) create the problems themselves. Study calls Iran 'biggest beneficiary' of US war on terror
    Two new reports criticize the US's handling of Iran, just as the West gauges Iran's response to a proposal meant to rein in Tehran's nuclear ambitions. One report says the US war on terror has strengthened Tehran, the other slams America's poor intelligence on Iran.

    The United States, with Coalition support, has eliminated two of Iran's regional rival governments -- the Taliban in Afghanistan in November 2001 and Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq in April 2003 -- but has failed to replace either with coherent and stable political structures.
    ...
    Iran has moved to fill the regional void with an apparent ease that has disturbed both regional players and the United States and its European allies. Iran is one of the most significant and powerful states in the region and its influence spreads well beyond its critical location at the nexus of the Middle East, Turkey, the Caucasus, Central Asia and South Asia.
    ...
    Of particular note is Iran's influence in Iraq. Chatham House argues that "the great problem facing the US is that Iran has superseded it as the most influential power in Iraq...
    ...
    one author of the report puts the blame for Iran's ascension on the United States and its execution of the war on terror.

    One of the authors of the Chatham House report, Dr Ali Ansari of the University of St Andrews, told BBC Radio Five Live: "We've seen really since 9/11 that the chief beneficiary of America's global war on terror in the Middle East has been the very country that it considers to be a major part or a founding member of the axis of evil. "And that basically tells us that there's an enormous incoherence in American approach to the Middle East. They simply haven't managed to work out a strategy and a policy that will work and will achieve results."
    Bush truly aspires to succeed at creating a global catastrophe where all others have failed. And he just might succeed...

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#16)
    by Lww on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 07:54:57 PM EST
    Edger, that's good stuff. Where can you get a straight answer about her status as a spy, regarding Irans nukes?

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#17)
    by Lww on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 07:57:01 PM EST
    That's Val the shy spy.

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 08:18:08 PM EST
    Iran is busily funding Sadr in Iraq, Hamas and Hizbollah in Gaza/Lebanon, and the Taliban in Afhganistan. What "security guarantees" could we offer them that would make them back off of even one of those? What carrots do you think we could offer that they would find of interest?

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 08:22:09 PM EST
    Oh, another question for the negotiation crowd: Iran has stated more than once that they seek the annihilation of Israel. That goal is unrelated to anything we do in Iraq and Afghanistan. So, do we shove Israel under the bus? Israel is not about to stand pat with a regime that is: -- pursusing nukes -- states that it plans to annihilate Israel How do you propose that we negitiate a way out of that cul-de-sac?

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 08:59:46 PM EST
    With dialogue.

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:13:10 PM EST
    "with dialogue" is not a serious answer. What do you think the US could offer that Iran would be interested in? What would Iran be willing to give up in exchange? Do you think there's any way to convince them to give up on their goal vis-a-vis Israel? If so, what do you think the price would be?

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:24:56 PM EST
    Israel has hundreds of nukes. They can take care of themselves. The U.S. treasury is already been looted many times over doing their dirty work for them. Time to cut our losses and let them do it themselves.

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:46:20 PM EST
    Ernesto, That would put you into the "throw Israel under a bus" category. Pray tell, if we toss a long time ally under the buss, why would any other nation want to work with us in the future? You don't think they might have a "when the going gets tough..." thought? As to Israel defending itself, they are faced with a regime that believes in martydom in the name of Islam. That makes MAD a potentially useless thing. To a very large extent, it doesn't even matter whether Iran is willing to take the hit in order to take out Israel - what matters is whether Israel believes that to be the case. So - in your book, we should just walk, and let the nukes fly where they may? In what way would that be even vaguely responsible behavior?

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:51:14 PM EST
    When was the last time a country with 400 nukes got thrown anywhere? You're full o'crap and it shows you war mongering so and so.

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#25)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 10:58:37 PM EST
    Oh wait...the last nuclear power that lost a war was the Soviet Union. They went broke after a bunch of incompetent old men thought they could remake Afghanistan in their image. Hmmmm....

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#26)
    by Che's Lounge on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 11:35:35 PM EST
    "with dialogue" is not a serious answer. What do you think the US could offer that Iran would be interested in? What would Iran be willing to give up in exchange? I don't know for sure. Why don't we sit down and ask them?

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#27)
    by soccerdad on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 03:14:27 AM EST
    Iran is busily funding Sadr in Iraq, Hamas and Hizbollah in Gaza/Lebanon, and the Taliban in Afhganistan.
    One can argue that Iran being a soverign country can fund whoever they want.
    What "security guarantees" could we offer them that would make them back off of even one of those? What carrots do you think we could offer that they would find of interest?
    This sums up JR's point. We want Iran to be quiet and leave us alone while we invade and control the ME. How dare Iran oppose our actions or those of Israel? If what you truly want is peace in the ME, then a regional peace conference which would revive the peace process and work towards a withdrawl of US troops and nuclear diasarmament of everyone in the region would be the way to go. It should be pointed out that Iran is a member of the NPT who has had extensive IAEA inspections while Israel is not a member and has had no inspections. But thats not what the US wants. But for people like JR to continually whine and complain when people in their own countries oppose the US actions there is pathetic and hypocritical. I await JR's trotting out of old urban legends concerning past negotiation in the ME.

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#28)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 05:13:13 AM EST
    I see that the last commenter didn't understand any of the words I wrote, specifically the part where I said that I didn't think force was a good answer. Looking at Iran, this is a regime that started its life with an act of war against the US (taking an Embassy is an attack on sovereign soil for all you international law types). They've shown a complete lack of interest in Western diplomatic efforts since that time. The bottom line here is, there's almost certainly going to be war between Iran and Israel: Iran sounds like they want it (witness their statements on the destruction of Israel). At some point, Israel will decide that it cannot tolerate having a nuclear armed state in the neighborhood which is working toward its demise. The most depressing aspect of this to me is the Left's reaction to that. With Iraq, the call was for multi-lateralism and the UN. That's exactly what we are doing with Iran - multi-lateral diplomacy that involves the UN. And still, the Left carps.

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#29)
    by soccerdad on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 06:22:13 AM EST
    I see that the last commenter didn't understand any of the words I wrote, specifically the part where I said that I didn't think force was a good answer.
    This makes no sense given the content of my last post. Its just a way of trying to denigrate the messenger.
    shown a complete lack of interest in Western diplomatic efforts since that time
    simply not true but a necessary strawman to sustain his feebel argument. Iran has stated repeatedly that it wanted to negotiate and has in the past negotiated in good faith Addendums to the NPT which has allowed inspections by the IAEA. In fact it has beent he US which has repeatedly refused to negotiate with Iran since labelling it part of the Axis of Evil. Bush doesn't negotitae with the bad guys!
    The bottom line here is, there's almost certainly going to be war between Iran and Israel: Iran sounds like they want it (witness their statements on the destruction of Israel).
    witness your lack of sourcing. Iran has repeatedly said that they dont want a war and dont want to attack Iraq. It should als be noted that potions of Israel have called for the destruction of its neighbors and in fact is the one who intiated a war with Lebanon.
    The most depressing aspect of this to me is the Left's reaction to that. With Iraq, the call was for multi-lateralism and the UN. That's exactly what we are doing with Iran - multi-lateral diplomacy that involves the UN. And still, the Left carps.
    Its amazing that you can't get anything right today. The US's attempt at multilateralism with Iran is just like it was with Iraq. The multilateralism by Bush means finding other countries who will do what it wants leaving John Bolton to sabatoge any genuine effort at the UN. Then Bush and his abologists, repeating what happen with Iraq, will then trow its hands up and say see the UN is useless and go ahead with the war anyway. The uS is simply looking for some sort of UN resolution it can misinterpret as a justification for going to war. This is all "Iraq2: the final diaster"

    Re: Sunday Funnies: "Let's Bomb Iran" Video (none / 0) (#30)
    by soccerdad on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 06:25:45 AM EST
    should have read "dont want to attack Israel"