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1,815 Dead in Baghdad Morgue in July

What a gruesome statistic:

The Baghdad morgue took in 1,815 bodies during July, news services quoted the facility's assistant manager, Abdul Razzaq al-Obeidi, as saying. The previous month's tally was 1,595. Obeidi estimated that as many as 90 percent of the total died violent deaths.

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  • Re: 1,815 Dead in Baghdad Morgue in July (none / 0) (#1)
    by Aaron on Thu Aug 10, 2006 at 03:14:15 AM EST
    "A report from the United Nations combining morgue and hospital body counts for June showed that, on average, more than 100 people were being killed every day." 100 x 30 = 3000 dead Iraqis a month. That sounds about right because you've gotta think that many of the people who die in Iraq never wind up in a morgue or a hospital, their bodies buried by their families, or unceremoniously by the side of the road in a drainage ditch, or in lonely unmarked mass graves, or dumped in the Tigris River weighted down with stones. With thousands of people dying every month in Iraq, I wonder how long it will be before the entire country has been depopulated, under the watchful eye of their benevolent liberators. Let's see at the current rate that's 12 x 3000 = 36,000 dead Iraqis a year. Even if we stay the course for two decades that's only 36,000 x 20 = 720,000 dead Iraqis, that's not even a million dead Iraqis. At this rate it could take centuries to gift all 23,600,000 Iraqis with the freedom of Paradise. I think were going to have to start carpet bombing in order to liquidate the population more efficiently so as to provide all the Iraqis with the freedom that we promised them in a more timely manner. Perhaps we should take a page from the Third Reich and start building concentration camps and ovens to speed up the process. I guess we should have mentioned that the freedom we spoke of in our propaganda leaflets was the freedom to die en masse. I wonder if the Iraqi people will have the grace and good manners to say thank you for freeing so many of them of the burden of living. Learn to practice war no more.

    Re: 1,815 Dead in Baghdad Morgue in July (none / 0) (#2)
    by soccerdad on Thu Aug 10, 2006 at 03:21:40 AM EST
    This represents but a fraction of those killed across Iraq. The plain truth is that the people who lead this country don't care and never have. They also don't care about the civilians killed in Lebanon or the Palestinians. My view is very simple. All human life has inherent value. To say, in effect, that the value of one's life depends on the power of one's state is to admit that human life has no intrinsic value, a proposition consistent with the nihilistic worldview of the neocons. Having launched this Iraq war for imperialistic reasons and having failed to take security and reconstruction seriously the US is directly responsible for the these deaths. Comparing Iraq with Lebanon one is forced to conclude that the policy of the Israeli-American onslaught is to create failed states in which people live in fear without the basic necessities of life. This is no accident, but appears to be part of an overall plan to achieve control of the ME and its resources. Who's next Syria or Iran? My children's children will be paying the cost for this unmitigated diaster.

    Re: 1,815 Dead in Baghdad Morgue in July (none / 0) (#3)
    by john horse on Thu Aug 10, 2006 at 04:11:16 AM EST
    Wasn't the justification for continuing our occupation of Iraq that if we just left, Iraq would be thrown into chaos?

    Re: 1,815 Dead in Baghdad Morgue in July (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Aug 10, 2006 at 06:12:38 AM EST
    The one benefit of having a strong dictator institute a police state without any western civil rights and due process is that the crime rate plummets. We should immediately leave Iraq, re-install Sadaam to secure the country, and then import his crime reduction policies to this country to stem our crime rate!

    Re: 1,815 Dead in Baghdad Morgue in July (none / 0) (#5)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Aug 10, 2006 at 06:22:53 AM EST
    We should immediately leave Iraq, re-install Sadaam to secure the country, Even as we run away, we want to control them. Iraq is on it's own course. We never had control and we never will. Just like the runup, it's all an illusion perpetuated by the Main Sewer Media. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Tenet, Bremer and Rice should all be indicted for war crimes.

    Re: 1,815 Dead in Baghdad Morgue in July (none / 0) (#6)
    by Johnny on Thu Aug 10, 2006 at 11:32:46 AM EST
    That's really not that bad, I mean it's not like we are the ones raping and murdering... Oops.

    Re: 1,815 Dead in Baghdad Morgue in July (none / 0) (#7)
    by jondee on Thu Aug 10, 2006 at 11:53:26 AM EST
    Is Pinochet (at least he's not a Godless commie) still alive? Maybe we can set him up over there. Give Augusto an empty football stadium, some rubber truncheons and a few good electric generators and in no time the P-man will have the populace pacified enough for The Market to begin working it's irresistable, otherwordly, magic. Or, would you Bush Bashers all prefer it if Saddam were back in power?

    Re: 1,815 Dead in Baghdad Morgue in July (none / 0) (#8)
    by Aaron on Thu Aug 10, 2006 at 02:25:52 PM EST
    Conservatives -- It's not our fault, we want to stay the course. Liberals -- It's not our fault we never wanted to go there in the first place. Moderates -- It's not our fault we're just along for the ride. Saddam Hussein -- I told you this would happen. Stupid Americans. Sunnis -- Kill all the Shi'ites, cleanse the land. Shi'ites -- Kill all the Sunnis, cleanse the land. Kurds -- We've got what we wanted, we're no longer involved. Iraqi women and children -- Please they're killing us. Help! US soldiers and Marines -- I'm not going to be the last American to die in this f--ked up war, I'm not leaving the Taco Bell here on the base until they sent me back to Iowa and I can go hang at the Taco Bell on the corner, I love American food.

    Re: 1,815 Dead in Baghdad Morgue in July (none / 0) (#10)
    by soccerdad on Fri Aug 11, 2006 at 03:04:05 AM EST
    If anyone here would prefer a return to the prewar status quo, please say so without hiding your position in a smokescreen of "war crimes".
    Maybe you should ask the 100k or so Iraqis that have been killed.

    Re: 1,815 Dead in Baghdad Morgue in July (none / 0) (#11)
    by john horse on Fri Aug 11, 2006 at 03:40:30 AM EST
    re: the 1,815 dead found in Baghdad morgue in July. In lieu of flowers, the families of these dead Iraqis request that we just get the f*ck out.

    Re: 1,815 Dead in Baghdad Morgue in July (none / 0) (#12)
    by pigwiggle on Fri Aug 11, 2006 at 04:02:36 PM EST
    "My view is very simple. All human life has inherent value."
    I'v tried very hard to only come and read the posts here for information sake. Reading the comments and arguing with you folks have moved me appreciably right, something I regret; really the reason I abruptly quit commenting. But anyway, I couldn't let this gem pass. I know you may like to think this SD, you may even believe it, but it is demonstrably false. There are dozens of NGOs, i.e., UNICEF, Harvest Help, Orphanage Africa, and so forth, which could, in absolutely unembellished terms, save several lives from trivially preventable diseases with the money you spend on simple comforts. For example, the home computer you likely use to comment here, or even the time you spend here that could be used in a charitable way. The $2 a day I could save by packing my work lunch in place of buying is equivalent to the daily income of 3 billion folks. Yet my cavalier attitude toward their suffering and my earnest regard for my own convenience prevents me from doing otherwise. And you are no different; you have the means and opportunity but not the sincere conviction. So, if you really do think life has some inherent value it must be pitifully small relative to our own comfort.

    Re: 1,815 Dead in Baghdad Morgue in July (none / 0) (#13)
    by soccerdad on Fri Aug 11, 2006 at 04:50:32 PM EST
    pig speak for yourself You dont know me or what I do and dont do so GFY

    Re: 1,815 Dead in Baghdad Morgue in July (none / 0) (#14)
    by soccerdad on Fri Aug 11, 2006 at 04:52:52 PM EST
    and of course Pig being the shallow nothing that he is, can only equate inherent value with money. A shinning example of what is wrong with the right or your case the every man for themselves crowd.

    Re: 1,815 Dead in Baghdad Morgue in July (none / 0) (#15)
    by pigwiggle on Fri Aug 11, 2006 at 07:58:52 PM EST
    "You dont know me or what I do and dont do"
    Actually, I do know what you don't do. You don't take the time you otherwise spend blathering into the vacuum of the internet to do what would be simple and trivial. It is remarkable what even a pittance of time and money could do in the most impoverished parts of the world, but instead, you would rather bicker and insult me. I don't mind, but it paints you a liar.
    "and of course Pig being the shallow nothing that he is, can only equate inherent value with money."
    Well, for those of us who's skills don't directly translate into third world philanthropy (drs without borders isn't exactly taking theoreticians), money is the most direct way of contributing. Fine, fine; you aren't so foolish. I understand it was snipe. I don't expect better, It suits you.
    "A shinning example of what is wrong with the right or your case the every man for themselves crowd."
    Your unconvincing theatrics aside, at least I've actually examined what I profess to believe. Right now I'm imagining the Starbucks, the trinkets, discarded gadgets, that spare bedroom you use for storage or an office; the superfluous and consistent fluff in your life that could have otherwise been something useful to someone far less fortunate. You tithe your 15% (doubtful) to your liberal guilt, you pay your taxes, but the materialistic dandruff of your life doesn't tell me that "[your] view is very simple. All human life has inherent value."
    "so GFY"
    Same old SD; what you lack in substance ... Enjoy the echo.

    Re: 1,815 Dead in Baghdad Morgue in July (none / 0) (#16)
    by soccerdad on Fri Aug 11, 2006 at 08:17:22 PM EST
    You are truly delusional. This is utter BS and you show yourself to be worse that nothing. You have no clue how I live or what I do. I must have touched a nerve to send you off on such a deranged uninformed and clearly baseless attack. But thats what your ilk does character assassination. Thats what passes for thought in your world. so GFY because thats all you deserve and your tatcics are worthy of nothing else. You do character assassination and then complain because I'm not polite. Gee what a hypocrite but we all knew that a long time ago. When you stop with your childish antics I'l start being polite to you. Until then if you cant take it dont dish it out. You pull your crap and then have the nerve to criticise me, you are truly pathetic and devoid of usefulness.