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Long day in Court today, which means an open thread for you. All topics welcome.

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    Maldives -- the other side of paradise (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 08:20:50 AM EST
    In case you think you are (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 09:27:16 AM EST
    havong a bad day.  Try tuning into to the House "hearing" on the Secret Service and imagine being that poor woman.

    Not making excuses.  It was a major clusterf&ck.  actually more than one.  Still, how much fun can it be to be the whipping person of a bunch of ridiculous canting windbags who only care to the extent of the airtime it gives them.

    I will try (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 10:10:45 AM EST
    to remember this as the last couple of weeks have been pretty rough around my house

    Hope (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 10:19:51 AM EST
    the next couple are better

    Thanks (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 11:38:26 AM EST
    Me too

    Hope you're coming out the other side (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Anne on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 10:42:14 AM EST
    and beginning to get back to normal.

    Whether it's a work thing or a family thing, I am not a big fan of crisis - never been much of an adrenaline junkie! - or even of waiting for the other shoe to drop.  

    I laugh about how boring my life is, but in reality, it's not so much boring I go for, but calm.  Some people think they are the same, but they're definitely not.  


    Not yet (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 11:38:54 AM EST
    But dealing with 21 year old boys is not for the faint of heart.

    Will keep you and your family in (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Anne on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 11:54:07 AM EST
    my thoughts...

    Remember how we thought it was so hard when our kids were little?  How we thought it was just so stressful to be the mother of a 2-year old or a 5-year old?  I mean, it was hard, and it was stressful, for that time, but God, little did we know that one day, those baby/toddler years would seem so easy.  

    Years later, when my girls were teenagers, I realized that as trying as those younger phases of life were, at least we knew where they were and what they were doing...there's more terror in being a parent of a young adult than I ever dreamed.


    Thanks (none / 0) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 12:11:34 PM EST
    Yeah, the toddler years were quite a challenge but in a different way. :)

    Bahdges??? Bahdges??? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 08:01:56 AM EST
    We don't got to show you no steeenking bahdges....

    Ferguson police still refusing to wear ID and ...

    The practice violates FPD rules.

    Rules??? Rules??? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 09:05:27 AM EST
    We don't follow no stinkin' rules///

    They have been (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 09:30:47 AM EST
    officially warned, in writing, by the AG of the U.S to not do that.  If there is more trouble and that is a factor there is gonna be some 'splainin to do.   And not to the feckless MO government.

    Twice warned in writing...and counting (none / 0) (#14)
    by Palli on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 11:28:33 AM EST
    I'll admit when I'm wrong. I was sure Ernst (none / 0) (#8)
    by Farmboy on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 10:40:17 AM EST
    would only find support with the bigoted fearful farmers of Steve King's district. I was wrong.

    DSM Register Poll: Ernst 44% Braley 38%

    Evidently the majority of statewide poll takers support her despite (or maybe because of):

    • her claims of personal secret knowledge about where Iraq hid their vast stores of WMD;
    • her claims that hordes of brown terrorists are pouring over our borders;
    • her claims that Obama is going to take our guns Any Day Now;
    • her claims that Obamacare is ruining the farm economy - in 2008;
    • her claims that the UN is taking away Iowa farmland and moving farmers into FEMA camps; etc.

    When I saw that it was a DSM poll, (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Anne on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 10:50:27 AM EST
    all I could think was, well, of course - why wouldn't a poll sponsored by The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) produce these kinds of results?

    But maybe you meant the DMR (Des Moines Register) poll, not the DSM poll...

    Although it may be a distinction without a difference.


    When I saw "Steve King's district" (none / 0) (#11)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 10:56:38 AM EST
    all I could think of was the author of "Carrie." Couldn't figure out how he would be included in a political discussion...

    Ditto :) (none / 0) (#33)
    by nycstray on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 12:35:19 PM EST
    It's not just the Des Moines Register (none / 0) (#12)
    by jbindc on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 11:09:37 AM EST
    It's several large models (and others who aren't mentioned in the article)...

    The models are also now in agreement -- unlike last week -- that Iowa's open seat tilts in state Sen. Joni Ernst's (R) favor albeit narrowly.  Election Lab shows Ernst with an 83 percent probability of winning but that looks like the outlier as Leo has it at 61 percent and FiveThirtyEight at 56 percent. (The Real Clear Politics poll of polls has Ernst up by two points over Democratic Rep. Bruce Braley.)

    Don't like this as DSM are my very initials... (none / 0) (#18)
    by fishcamp on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 11:35:14 AM EST
    but thankfully that is not my name.

    If she wins (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 11:57:10 AM EST
    it sure will embolden the tea party that's for sure.

    ALL of officer Darren Wilson (none / 0) (#13)
    by Palli on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 11:27:24 AM EST
    pending cases are on hold. Here did not show up for a hearing in the case of Christopher Brooks (2013 arrest) whose lawyer contends was beaten by Wilson.  No "Use of Force" report appears to exist for that arrest either. (Incident Report not referenced.) Lawyer is seeking the case to be dismissed.
    One FOIA request I am aware of for Wilson's arrest records has not been fulfilled; but I bet DoJ is on it-although Wilson apparently doesn't like paperwork.

    correction should read He [Wilson] did not show (none / 0) (#15)
    by Palli on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 11:30:13 AM EST
    Of COURSE he didn't show (none / 0) (#17)
    by jbindc on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 11:35:04 AM EST
    He's currently in hiding.

    So are his "Use of Force" reports (none / 0) (#22)
    by MO Blue on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 11:43:41 AM EST
    Might be a problem (none / 0) (#23)
    by jbindc on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 11:51:46 AM EST
    Or not, since Brooks has only just recently (after the Michael Brown shooting) claimed (through his attorney) force was used. If no force was actually used, would a report have to be filed? Does seem to be a pattern in Ferguson, though, of not having these reports (although, is one incident [Brown], maybe two [Brooks] a "pattern"?)

    And here's the incident report in the case.


    And (none / 0) (#30)
    by jbindc on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 12:12:15 PM EST
    Brooks' attorney is doing his job - trying to zealously defend his client, and it looks like he just got a gift thrown in his hands with Officer Wilson's alleged actions in the last month.  He should be exploiting that and looking into what his client claims.

    On the other hand, it's kind of shocking to read well educated people on this blog (a criminal defense site), who don't seem to understand that there is no way Wilson's attorney is going to let him get under oath for a similar allegation while an ongoing investigation is still proceeding.  It would be ineffective assistance of counsel at best (and Wilson's Sixth Amendment rights would likely be violated), and malpractice at worst.


    Key sentence in your comment (none / 0) (#34)
    by MO Blue on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 12:43:36 PM EST
    Does seem to be a pattern in Ferguson,

    Hard to determine what reports are missing when their reporting is so shoddy and they use every means in their power (like excessive fees) to kept from releasing pertinent information.


    I agree (none / 0) (#35)
    by jbindc on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 12:46:00 PM EST
    But in the case of Brooks, the assumption is now being made that there should have been one in the first place.

    Interesting article on Sunni-Shia Schism (none / 0) (#16)
    by Slado on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 11:33:33 AM EST
    Council on Foreign Relations.

    Interesting notes:

    Didn't know Sunni was such a majority
    Didn't' really know why they split
    Didn't know it goes all the way back to the beginning of the faith

    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by squeaky on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 11:36:15 AM EST
    But for centuries Sunni and Shia have lived together, intermarried etc...  it takes a power-hungry leader to exploit the story in order to bring shia and sunni to war.

    Interesting that Saladin (none / 0) (#25)
    by jondee on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 11:54:27 AM EST
    who was in some ways the jihadist's jihadist and scourge of the Crusaders during the middle ages, had the still-reverenced-by-Orthodox-Jews Moses Maimonides as his personal physician..

    The meme that aside from historical influences there's something inherently vicious and fanatical about Islam is probably no more true about Islam than it is about Hinduism.


    I recently read (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by CST on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 12:14:35 PM EST
    The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.  One of the things that struck me about that book, was how convinced the author seemed to be that there could never be a unified, peaceful Germany.  That there was something inherent in German culture that made them predisposed to fascism and violence.  The author also found any suggestion of a politically or economically unified western European block laughable.

    Needless to say, that part of the book did not age well.  Hopefully the same will be true of those  statements about Islam.


    Jung and Nietzche (none / 0) (#32)
    by jondee on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 12:26:16 PM EST
    talked about a pagan, blond-beast under that thin veneer of Christianity and Enlightenment..

    I think Jung was referring more to Europeans in general though..

    It's obvious that there are unhinged people - sometimes in high places - with a perverse love of death and destruction. Hitler and his sycophants and people like General Curtis Lemay and the rest of the Bircher wing of the Joint Chiefs who literally wanted to start WWIII over Cuba "going communist".



    Great Book About Saladin (none / 0) (#27)
    by squeaky on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 11:59:00 AM EST
    Evan Connell writes beautifully (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by jondee on Tue Sep 30, 2014 at 12:04:43 PM EST
    about the Crusades and those two in particular in a couple of his books.